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Post by Holierthanthou on Jul 11, 2007 19:15:06 GMT -5
I've personally not read it, but everyone I know who has hated it. With a passion. One of my close friends couldn't finish it and to this day the only scene she can remember is Piggy's death because it was horrible and slightly humorous at the same time.
It was on this book-list we had to read over the Summer and we could exempt two. As soon as I saw this book I said "I'm not reading this one."
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Post by Zink on Jul 12, 2007 7:53:37 GMT -5
^ See, I'd never not read a book that was less than 300 pages if I had the choice. I liked it, but I couldn't help think they could have come up with a better system of choosing a leader than "Kay, you found the magic mystical awesome spiffy conch, you're it." Its because he had the will to power. (By that i mean the nazi's misinterpretation, not what Nietzche actually meant) Nietzche didn't write the book.
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Post by sweetloli on Jul 12, 2007 9:46:31 GMT -5
^ No that's not what Kaneda meant. One of Nietzsche's famous philosophical concepts was "The Will to Power as Society and Individual". Nietzsche's arugment was greatly misinterpreted by many, most notably the Nazi's. Nietzsche's concept does not focus on merely Will to power, the physical and political power over a society or people (Social Darwinism). He meant people's 'will' over others in society. In that, humans are always trying to inflict their will upon others. Did I explain this right, probably not.-------- so go here for further clarificationThe Nazi's turned this around and twisted it and came up with this concept of Desire of and for power, but that had nothing to do with it. **So how does this relate to the book: The book deals with human oppression. That's basically it in a nutshell. Human beings at their lowest low, turning towards savagery and barbaric measures to control and dominate people. Furthermore, probably the most beautiful aspect of the entire novel is that we're dealing with children. So, "kay, you found the magic mystical awesome spiffy conch, you're it". Jack became their leader in that he had the "Will to power". It was in him all along, deep down inside, he just didn't know it, or maybe he did. His character is constantly waging a war inside and out, he is filled with pure evil, and this evident throughout. He had the desire to achieve what he wanted, which was dominate and control all the boys. This is the Nazi's misinterpretation of Nietzsche's concept. ----------The real meaning:------------------------------------ "[Anything which] is a living and not a dying body... will have to be an incarnate will to power, it will strive to grow, spread, seize, become predominant - not from any morality or immorality but because it is living and because life simply is will to power... 'Exploitation'... belongs to the essence of what lives, as a basic organic function; it is a consequence of the will to power, which is after all the will to life." from Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil, s.259, Walter Kaufmann translation
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Post by Empy on Sept 17, 2007 19:53:47 GMT -5
I actually don't hate the book so much now. I've done some research on Nietzsche and looking at the book from his perspective, I actually found it to be a lot more enjoyable ^^;
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Post by historyman12 on Sept 18, 2007 15:07:17 GMT -5
I liked it, but I couldn't help think they could have come up with a better system of choosing a leader than "Kay, you found the magic mystical awesome spiffy conch, you're it." I dunno, was that supposed to be symbolism for "Kay, you're tall, you're an Ivy-Leaguer, you were in Skulls & Bones, your dad was President, you're it"? except, you know, this book came before Dubya. XD
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Post by appacatbus on Sept 18, 2007 17:30:14 GMT -5
Some kids read ahead and told everyone so I already know what happens... Thats ok, its not so much about the plot as the messages it carries.
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Post by falthor on Sept 19, 2007 23:18:27 GMT -5
This book was the worst thing I have ever read, second to Slaughterhouse-Five. Yeah, I noticed the symbolism and the hidden context and all that crap (100% on the English test ftw), but this, quite frankly, sucked.
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Post by Empy on Sept 21, 2007 18:55:41 GMT -5
I'm currently reading this in my English class, we're on chapter six. This book is... okay. =/ I probably don't like it that much because it isn't funny, and I hate reading books that aren't funny. Non-funny books just can't keep my attention for very long. D: Some kids read ahead and told everyone so I already know what happens... Lol! I can usually finish a book in a day... two if I'm pacing myself so I'm usually one of those kids xD It was a serious book which is why I didn't initially like it but once I got a better understanding of it, I like it better. Reading it through a different perspective helped too as well as learning about Nietzsche which I'm grateful for doing. @falthor- Well, it's not a book for everyone. I had the same opinion basically when I first read it. I mean, I didn't think it was horrible but definitely not a favorite. I know a lot of people who love Kurt Vonnegut's writing but since I've not yet read his work, I don't have an opinion yet. I want to read his books though, I heard they're very funny.
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Post by Astronomy on Sept 23, 2007 15:51:36 GMT -5
I hated it when I was reading it the first time, but now I don't think it's that bad. I just got confused because everyone and everything symbolizes something.
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