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Post by Lt. Dan on Jan 25, 2007 1:06:04 GMT -5
Ok,
Nine pages to this thread. I am really shocked that we are not discussing Severus Snape. Rowling has done a phenominal job in leaving us baffled about his allegiance.
He is obviously working as a double agent, but really, when it comes time to test his loyalties, who is he going to side with?
There is a mountain of evidence either way.
I am really undecided... I am not convinced that he is 100 percent with Voldemort. It's almost as if there is something else governing his agenda (like a previous unbreakable vow?)
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Post by masterwb on Jan 25, 2007 17:45:37 GMT -5
^^Dang i hate tfp. Tfp might become good, but I haven't liked him since the beginning. I know this isn't adding anything to the discussion, but I must vent my frustration.
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Post by masterab on Jan 25, 2007 18:12:26 GMT -5
Okay...here is my theory of Severus Snape. I believe that ole' Severus is a good guy. Just as in Star Wars and every other series, there is a bad guy that turns out to be good. I believe that Prof. Snape is that man. Yes I know that he isnt a Prof. anymore but he is in my eyes.
You know how in StarWars, when Obi-Wan sacrifices himself for Luke? Well I believe that DD did the same for Harry. Earlier that day, week, or year, SS and DD planned the whole thing(other than the DE attacking). I think that when DD says, "Severus Please!" on the roof of the tower he isnt pleading for his life but for Harry's. PLUSS!!!! While Severus, Malfoy, and the rest of the DEs were escaping from Hogwarts, he had a perfectally good chance to kill HP but he didnt.
More of this argument I will post later. Until then...LONG LIVE DUMBLEDORE(DD)!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Lt. Dan on Jan 25, 2007 18:33:57 GMT -5
The fact that you haven't liked him from the beginning is actually a good strong point. All that evidence is "in our face". And you know the saying, "walks like a duck, acts like a duck..." edit: oops, we posted at the same time, I was referring to this post: ^^Dang i hate tfp. Tfp might become good, but I haven't liked him since the beginning. I know this isn't adding anything to the discussion, but I must vent my frustration.
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Post by masterab on Jan 25, 2007 19:10:58 GMT -5
W/e He is good!!!!!
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Post by appacatbus on Jan 26, 2007 15:18:18 GMT -5
In the bgeining of the first book Harry thinks Snape is evil. How can little 11 year old Harry be right? Whats the moral there, go by your gut instinct? JKR has shown time and time again, Harry's gut is a lyer.
Snape being evil would be dissapointing, and would subtract form the dimensions of the character.
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Post by masterab on Jan 26, 2007 16:26:37 GMT -5
In the bgeining of the first book Harry thinks Snape is evil. How can little 11 year old Harry be right? Whats the moral there, go by your gut instinct? JKR has shown time and time again, Harry's gut is a lyer. Snape being evil would be dissapointing, and would subtract form the dimensions of the character. Nice point. I agree.
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Post by Lt. Dan on Jan 26, 2007 22:58:23 GMT -5
Snape being evil would be dissapointing, and would subtract form the dimensions of the character. I don't think I will be disappointed either way. I really don't believe he is truly on Voldemort's side. However, he could just simply be watching out for himself.
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Post by masterab on Jan 28, 2007 11:57:40 GMT -5
Well...I hope he is on our side(good side). Cause I would definitley be disappointed. Masterwb and I have this theory that Snape will kill Voldemort or Voldemort will kill Snape. And then HP will destroy the last horcrux. But I dont believe in it as much as him. I think that Voldemort will kill Snape. Another theory of mine is that Faux will heal HP's scar with its tears, and by doing that destroying a horcrux. And another theory is that Mundugus stole the locket(horcrux taken from fountain thing in cave) from the Black house. And Harry will have to retrieve it from him. This will be a hard task I believe.
Heres a ? for you. What are the remaining horcruxes?
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Post by Lt. Dan on Jan 28, 2007 12:16:33 GMT -5
Excellent source theorizing the last remaining Horcruxes HereSlytherin's Locket, Hufflepuff's cup, something of Ravenclaw's, Nagini the snake. These are all theorized by Dumbledore. Rowling has stated that when she has something to tell us, she does it through Dumbledore. I think the proposal that Harry's scar is a horcrux is not well constructed. Voldemort was trying to kill him. He was not trying to make a horcrux, and I don't think creating once "accidentally" is even a possibility.
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Post by masterab on Jan 28, 2007 12:38:33 GMT -5
I believe that HP's scar is a good horcrux, it would surprise us all and it has benn literally in front of ours and Harry's face since the begining.
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Post by appacatbus on Jan 28, 2007 15:20:08 GMT -5
I doubt the scar is the horcrux so much as Harry himself. The scar is kind of "the point of entry"
If Voldemort has a piece of his soul inside Harry he would be able to corrupt him and get him to join him. I think thats what Voldemort had planned originally. So he went to Godric hollow and made Harry a horcrux. But when Harry was able to get the philosopher's stone from the mirror of erised it showed how pure hearted he was and Voldemort realised he wouldnt be able to corrupt Harry and would have to kill him.
Harry woudnt have been able to survive avada kadavra, even with "love power" Plenty of people probably sacrificed themselves to save others out of love, i doubt Lilly Potter was the first.
Harry however wouldnt have to die to destroy the horcrux. This is proven by a conversation with Dumbledore about the ring. The ring is no longer a horcrux, but it is still intact.
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Post by Lt. Dan on Jan 28, 2007 21:21:18 GMT -5
I doubt the scar is the horcrux so much as Harry himself. The scar is kind of "the point of entry" If Voldemort has a piece of his soul inside Harry he would be able to corrupt him and get him to join him. I think thats what Voldemort had planned originally. So he went to Godric hollow and made Harry a horcrux. But when Harry was able to get the philosopher's stone from the mirror of erised it showed how pure hearted he was and Voldemort realised he wouldnt be able to corrupt Harry and would have to kill him. Harry woudnt have been able to survive avada kadavra, even with "love power" Plenty of people probably sacrificed themselves to save others out of love, i doubt Lilly Potter was the first. Harry however wouldnt have to die to destroy the horcrux. This is proven by a conversation with Dumbledore about the ring. The ring is no longer a horcrux, but it is still intact. Well thought out, but I still disagree with the notion of Harry, or his scar being a Horcrux. It has been mentioned several times that he has his mother's eyes. His mother was good with charms. JKR says these facts are important, and will play out in book 7. I think his mother did protect him from AK somehow. The only other evidence I have for my feelings on this is what I mentioned previously: Dumbledore's speculation.
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Post by phoenix on Jan 28, 2007 22:02:45 GMT -5
I don't think that Harry is a horcrux because Dumbledore told us how obsessed with immortality Voldemort is. I don't think that he would make Harry a horcrux if he believed that he had to kill him later.
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Post by wildimagination on Jan 29, 2007 2:58:40 GMT -5
<_<>_> Ahem...if I could just put my two cents in...
I think Harry and Voldy will die. Voldy, because...well, he's evil. Harry, because if he lives, JKR will be pressured into writing an eigth book. And other people might "steal" Harry. So, logically, Harry will die from a wound given to him by Voldemort. Harry kills Voldemort, but is wounded, so he dies from it.
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