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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Jan 9, 2008 18:03:20 GMT -5
McCain comes back and so does hillary lets discuss. personally i'm really disappointed that that clinton woman won especially after crying. come on theres no crying in politics just like baseball.
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Post by beautyfr.pain on Jan 9, 2008 18:14:23 GMT -5
Erm, I was sure whether or not to respond to the Iowa or NH primary thread, but I guess since NH is more recent... Everyone keeps telling me that Hilary crying made her seem more human and people like that. It seems to me more people want a leader that can keep their composure. I'm not sure myself; I would prefer a human to a mechanical politician as our future president but I even a crybaby like myself understands the important of staying strong for others and such, especially in public? My teacher also pointed out that Iowa happens to be next door to Obama's homestate of Illinois and NH is a stone's throw from Clinton's own state, New York. (Well technically she's from Arkansas, but she was senator of NY, right?) My teacher thinks that where they're from was a determining factor because people do tend to lean towards leaders they are familiar to (Clinton, Bush, Arkansas, and Texas come to mind  ). There's always a possibility that that was coincidence though.... |
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Post by attonbitus on Jan 9, 2008 18:26:33 GMT -5
in the grand scheme of things NH doesn't mean much in the primaries. McCain won it last time he ran but still lost over all.
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Jan 9, 2008 18:44:13 GMT -5
come on theres no crying in politics just like baseball. Lol, karma for that. ;D I wonder if we should just have a single combined election thread, rather than a new one each primary (which will get to be a mess by super Tuesday).  So yeah, humane behavior is good... but how realistic was it? Hillary isn't exactly known for having a sensitive side. I get the feeling someone told her to soften her image. You wouldn't really want someone leading the nation who is going to be crying all the time. (Not that I believe she would, either ~ back to full-body armor after the tears, I'll bet.) And yeah, NH full of independents ~ not exactly indicative of the nation. It said on the news that the woman who asked the question that got Hillary started with her emotional display voted for Obama anyway. |
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Post by Zenjamin on Jan 9, 2008 19:24:57 GMT -5
after watching the following link, CNN: Ron Paul - far exceeding expectations - 1/04/2008, I honestly Belive that the cheap stunt Fox pulled pushed Ron Paul back to 5th where he otherwise could have gotten third. every time he attends a debate, the polls say that he did the best. He was still very close to Rudy. (rudy got 9%, Ron got 8%) but when you consider that he was 6 points ahead of Rudy in Iowa... he could have gotten 3ed easily. Plus, he got about 15.5 times more votes then Thompson in New Hampshire, yet they let him in the debate and not Paul? I didnt think it was possible, but I hate FoxNews even more now. |
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Post by Empy on Jan 9, 2008 20:54:15 GMT -5
in the grand scheme of things NH doesn't mean much in the primaries. McCain won it last time he ran but still lost over all. True, and he really got slaughtered in South Carolina the last election. However, I believe that experience strengthened him and hopefully he'll learn from the last election and do better in SC this year. |
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Post by Gran Gran on Jan 9, 2008 21:51:30 GMT -5
McCain comes back and so does hillary lets discuss. personally i'm really disappointed that that clinton woman won especially after crying. come on theres no crying in politics just like baseball. For starters, it's not 'that Clinton woman', second she didn't cry, but had a moment of humanity - God forbid the B*tch should be actually human! And second of all, there have been men crying, politicians to boot. There is nothing wong with that either. And on a side note, McCain got 'slaughtered' in the Carolinas because some unsavory individuals took a picture out of context and gave it a spin bordering on character assassination. So, keep it to the issues of the candidates, not their persona... |
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Post by beautyfr.pain on Jan 9, 2008 23:36:01 GMT -5
It said on the news that the woman who asked the question that got Hillary started with her emotional display voted for Obama anyway. I know I should have probably done my own homework, but what WAS the question that got her all teary? I don't remember D: |
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Jan 10, 2008 0:24:42 GMT -5
Good question: www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4109322&page=1And I'm sure some male politicians have cried before... but I'm not recalling any at the moment. Can you tell me some? Usually when I picture people crying onstage... they're actors at an award ceremony.  And I get the feeling that if Clinton had been speaking to a roomful of men, she would have kept control. But then, they wouldn't likely have asked her a personal question, either. So the question is: what's acceptable? Under which circumstances? |
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Post by Zenjamin on Jan 10, 2008 13:07:37 GMT -5
after watching the following link, CNN: Ron Paul - far exceeding expectations - 1/04/2008, I honestly Belive that the cheap stunt Fox pulled pushed Ron Paul back to 5th where he otherwise could have gotten third. every time he attends a debate, the polls say that he did the best. He was still very close to Rudy. (rudy got 9%, Ron got 8%) but when you consider that he was 6 points ahead of Rudy in Iowa... he could have gotten 3ed easily. Plus, he got about 15.5 times more votes then Thompson in New Hampshire, yet they let him in the debate and not Paul? I didnt think it was possible, but I hate FoxNews even more now. requoting because I believe this deserves more attention. Even if you disagree with RP, you cant deny that It was unfair that he not be allowed in a debate, in a state where he could have had the most potential. But when people see that the Mass Media is blacklisting a candidate, they are MUCH less likely to vote for him, thinking he doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell. more evidence showing that RP would have beat Rudy and likely even Huckabee if he had gotten fair coverage at the debate... he still did great, only 3 points away from getting 3ed... but still. |
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Post by Karatelover on Jan 10, 2008 13:55:41 GMT -5
McCain comes back and so does hillary lets discuss. personally i'm really disappointed that that clinton woman won especially after crying. come on theres no crying in politics just like baseball. For starters, it's not 'that Clinton woman', second she didn't cry, but had a moment of humanity - God forbid the B*tch should be actually human! And second of all, there have been men crying, politicians to boot. There is nothing wong with that either. And on a side note, McCain got 'slaughtered' in the Carolinas because some unsavory individuals took a picture out of context and gave it a spin bordering on character assassination. So, keep it to the issues of the candidates, not their persona... The only thing I would like to see Clinton do is what she can do under pressure. I mean being president is a hard enough job. I mean I can't expect her to hide under a desk if her country somehow gets attacked again! If fact if any present hides under his desk, how do you expect me to believe that he can handle the pressures of being a president? I don't know, I just don't like the thought of another Clinton taking over. I mean look what happened when another Bush took over. I mean screw these Clinton and Bush dynasties! I've had enough of that! But if she becomes president, there isn't much I can do about that. My only hope is that she would do good under pressure. And not cry too much or hide under a desk. |
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Post by historyman12 on Jan 10, 2008 15:56:05 GMT -5
after watching the following link, CNN: Ron Paul - far exceeding expectations - 1/04/2008, I honestly Belive that the cheap stunt Fox pulled pushed Ron Paul back to 5th where he otherwise could have gotten third. every time he attends a debate, the polls say that he did the best. He was still very close to Rudy. (rudy got 9%, Ron got 8%) but when you consider that he was 6 points ahead of Rudy in Iowa... he could have gotten 3ed easily. Plus, he got about 15.5 times more votes then Thompson in New Hampshire, yet they let him in the debate and not Paul? I didnt think it was possible, but I hate FoxNews even more now. It might be because that debate was held before the primary, and Thompson got more votes than Paul in Iowa. What cheap stunt? I watched it and didn;t see a thing. The CNN "news" was biased FOR Ron Paul. And who cares about the polls? It doesn't survey everyone, and there is never any data on who refused to answer the question(s). |
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Post by Gran Gran on Jan 10, 2008 16:11:55 GMT -5
For starters, it's not 'that Clinton woman', second she didn't cry, but had a moment of humanity - God forbid the B*tch should be actually human! And second of all, there have been men crying, politicians to boot. There is nothing wong with that either. And on a side note, McCain got 'slaughtered' in the Carolinas because some unsavory individuals took a picture out of context and gave it a spin bordering on character assassination. So, keep it to the issues of the candidates, not their persona... The only thing I would like to see Clinton do is what she can do under pressure. I mean being president is a hard enough job. I mean I can't expect her to hide under a desk if her country somehow gets attacked again! If fact if any present hides under his desk, how do you expect me to believe that he can handle the pressures of being a president? I don't know, I just don't like the thought of another Clinton taking over. I mean look what happened when another Bush took over. I mean screw these Clinton and Bush dynasties! I've had enough of that! But if she becomes president, there isn't much I can do about that. My only hope is that she would do good under pressure. And not cry too much or hide under a desk. Too bad that Bush senior was not a bad president, and Bill Clinton was actually pretty good. So past performance of family members does not indicate the quality of the following.... I wonder where the assumption comes from that Hillary Clinton would hide under the desk if trouble arises...I have seen her address personal humiliation publicly with much grace...there is no reason to assume that she would act any different in the face of any other crisis. |
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Post by Zenjamin on Jan 10, 2008 17:15:06 GMT -5
It might be because that debate was held before the primary, and Thompson got more votes than Paul in Iowa. What cheap stunt? I watched it and didn;t see a thing. The CNN "news" was biased FOR Ron Paul. And who cares about the polls? It doesn't survey everyone, and there is never any data on who refused to answer the question(s). Really? Thomson was allowed in the New Hampshire debate because he beat Paul by 3% in Iwoa? Even though the polls before the New Hampshire debate projected him to spank Thomson in Iwoa even more then he did (over7% points), due to all the independents in that state. Also, I wasnt talking about and sort of stunt CNN pulled. It was FoxNews who ran that debate. anyways, polls are not only verry accurate, they are the only measure of accuracy the media can use short of going forward in time to see the results in the future. Every time RP attends a debate, his support goes up because ho well he did. (see my new icon? people were BOOing McCaine in RP's defense during that) and I belive he would have jumped the last couple of points to 4th at least, and likely 3ed if he had been given a fair chance. even if you dont agree with him, you have to agree that his Ideas are different form most republican canadates, and it would be good to have the contrast. |
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Post by attonbitus on Jan 10, 2008 17:36:41 GMT -5
RP's situation is unique in that he as a large internet following. So much so I pretty much discount any internet poll. Also keep in mind people have seen RP and the rest of the Republican candidates debate about 100x already. So him missing out on one debate wouldn't really change any minds. If ANYTHING he should have gotten more votes because of sympathy.
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). There's always a possibility that that was coincidence though....
And I get the feeling that if Clinton had been speaking to a roomful of men, she would have kept control. But then, they wouldn't likely have asked her a personal question, either. 
