inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Feb 3, 2008 1:23:39 GMT -5
I guess it would be more of a tender scene then? I suppose--I just seriously lack the patience. This is also part of the reason I haven't taken an art class since 7th grade. It'll always be just a hobby for me; srsly, I envy and respect art students for the dedication and patience I'll never have. X___X
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aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Feb 3, 2008 1:35:00 GMT -5
I guess so... it's mostly them talking. Just specifics that are kind of getting to me and I know it'll be easier to do it once this season is over and my mind stops speculating.
I'm not patient. I tend to do things in one sitting (if possible) and if I don't get something on the first go... I'll let it sit for months and then come back to it. I still look through old sketch books for ideas that need some rehashing.
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inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Feb 3, 2008 4:23:24 GMT -5
Ahhh...yes, the subtle calmness of the ship that so few have. If you wanna speculate your heart out, I'll try to be on AIM tomorrow--I'm rather curious what else is going on in everyone else's head.
Oh man, really? I doodle in my sketchbook at work between breaks if I have inspiration to do so. As it is, I've had that book for over two years and it's only slightly past the halfway point, and there's a ton of stuff in there I'll never scan because it is le suck. D:
Fortunately, it seems Soko comes to me rather easily at the point--I just need more time though. So much cosplay work to get done first. XD
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aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Feb 3, 2008 9:21:24 GMT -5
It's just whether or not I have to go out and make him find her since I've kind of lost hope that the writers will be smart about things. >_>
You should probably look back to those old sketches- I think you've improved a lot since I came into fandom so it's worth a shot. Don't try to re-create the image better- just the idea behind it.
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inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Feb 3, 2008 20:42:55 GMT -5
I understand that. I hope it won't be that way, but nonetheless.... Hm...try drawing it from another angle, mayhaps? That's probably excellent advice. I'll try to remember that when the inspiration next hits.
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elcucuyfeo
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Post by elcucuyfeo on Feb 5, 2008 8:14:54 GMT -5
Hey at least you can draw! XD
All I do is write and even then not all that well.... But it scratches that itch.
In between Ukulele practice (Don't ask) I really should try drawing again, I just need more patiemce.
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inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Feb 5, 2008 14:25:55 GMT -5
Practicing to be a hippie? XD
Getting closer to a topic, we've talked to death about Song meeting Zuko again--what about Song's mother? How do you think she'd react to it all?
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aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Feb 5, 2008 16:38:58 GMT -5
^That depends... for one, we have to wonder if Song told her mother about the Julius-theft. Second, does her mother come off as forgiving as Song?
For the first, it could go either way really. Song could have told her mother that Zuko stole it, but she also could have said that it ran off for some reason. And even then, if Song does lie about it, I think her mother is smart enough to figure out that tamed ostrich-horses that are tied to their pens usually don't run away... I think.
As for the second... well, part of me thinks that the reason why Song comes off as forgiving as she is is because she is just a little... naive. Just a little too optimistic about people and their general natures, which I think stems from simply not having lived for very long yet- her mother has been around people for longer and may be slightly more cynical about things. It's hard to say. We have less to go on for Song's mother then we do for Song (and there's not as much in subtleties either) but I am I pretty sure that her mother wouldn't trust Zuko with Song since he is FN and there is probably too much animosity on her side (and we only know about what happened to her husband, Song and where they once lived- it's possible that she went through _more_ then just that when she was younger) for her to really allow that.
And you know... she could always play the 'protective mother' card. ;D
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inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Feb 5, 2008 21:08:43 GMT -5
Indeed, I do like the 'protective mother' potential. I think that she's wise enough not to hold too much ill will against a child of the Fire Nation, even if he is the Prince. After all, she didn't tell Song to leave him alone on the porch, so she might not be that worried--but give him a bit of grief to make sure he's repentant enough to take care of her baby? I'd say yes. It's weird, because she seems old enough to be that wise and mature, I could see her accepting Zuko--but only after making him prove to her that he's not the same lost boy her daughter brought home from the clinic. Lol, if only we could have seen that the first time around. Song: Mom, I brought guests! the unvocalized question is: Can I keep them? XD
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aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Feb 5, 2008 23:07:46 GMT -5
Song would be the type to keep dogs and cats with three legs and one eye and that sort of thing isn't she? XD It's strange- Song's mother was designed to look quite old... she has gray hair pulled back fairly tight... which is a bit strange, but I won't think much of it. But I do agree, she does seem to be wise and mature, but probably to the point that trust is earned not given, so what Zuko would have to do to get that trust is something I'd like to know. Song would give it to him if he said he would (because let's face it- the last thing Zuko was during their interaction was insincere, if a bit standoffish) but her mother would clearly be more wary- even if it's simply because she's a mom. I also come bearing some new story boards. I combined the two I posted before and added.
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inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Feb 6, 2008 0:10:02 GMT -5
I very much get that feeling with her. Can you just picture Song as a little girl with a saber-mooselion cub, asking mom if she can keep him? XD Or maybe a badgermole.
It isn't strange to see the parents of asian teens being in their late 40's and 50's, at least not around here. I do very much get the feeling that Song's mother is wise and jaded where as Song is intelligent, but somewhat naive. In my mind, I could see Song's mother making Zuko go collect all the herbs in a day that Song would have in an hour, had she still had her ostritchorse. Furthermore, if he managed that, I'd imagine that Song's mother would take Zuko aside, and state exactly what the Fire Nation has done to her and her family; she's lost her husband, and she does not wish to lose her daughter. She'd then ask him if she could trust him to take care of her last precious person. Then Zuko would totally go determined/desperate and swear on his life that he'll protect her, when a simple 'yes' would have sufficed. Then the kids will all leave and Song's mom will ttly lol about Zuko.
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Those storyboards look good so far--left to right, y/n? After all the manga I've read, I get confused a little. I can't wait to see a finished project.
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elcucuyfeo
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Post by elcucuyfeo on Feb 6, 2008 0:36:03 GMT -5
Hippie? No.
Play Secret tunnel on the Uke? yes!
Song is a healer and compassionate by nature. The fact that she survived a Fire Nation raid and came out with that same compassion is admirable. I could easily see Song's mother acting over protective tword her daughter, that would be her right. But alas we didnt in CoTL, She was just as opena nd welcoming as her daughter, It would have been real interesting to see the morning after in the Song household. Would they have forgiven and forgt? Or would this have been the last straw?
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aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Feb 6, 2008 12:31:32 GMT -5
^Well Song's mother was open and welcoming to those she had believed to be fellow refugees, it's a little different once she finds out that one is the FN prince who wants to capture the world's savior and the other was the FN General who lay siege on BSS. Zuko's B-story was all about humanizing 'the enemy' and whether Song's mother does that (since I think we can say that Song more then likely would) is still questionable. Storyboards: Yep, left to right. I'm not a jerk who's trying to Japanese. The pages need to be layed out full-size now, and I just need to find a template to do that... I think I have TP's around somewhere... I wanna draw chibi!Song with a baby badger-mole now...
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inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Feb 6, 2008 22:33:17 GMT -5
Point. I would like to think that Song mother would be just as understanding as she is...plus, we already saw a mother reject him ("Zuko Alone"), I would like to think they wouldn't do it again, esp. at the point where Zuko is doing what he can to help Aang. I dunno, I just always got the impression that Song's mom would be cooler than that.
Thank you--I understand respecting Japanese culture and manga, etc...but come on, if you're American writing/drawing for an American audience, do it the American way, plz.
Plz to be drawing Chibi!Song. Extra points if she's bandaging the badgermole's paw or something. XD
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aquavi
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Post by aquavi on Feb 7, 2008 5:41:54 GMT -5
While I think it's more then likely that Song has learned many things by example from her mother, including forgiveness, it would be interesting to see a rift formed simply because Song has the theoretical innocence in comparison to her mother's more common sense nature. In the end Song's mum would more then likely to eventually 'give in' but not without a giant grain of salt and Zuko being put through certain 'trials'.
I've heard a lot of BS excuses when it comes to doing it right-to-left but in the end... it doesn't matter how much unflopped manga you've read, you still read English left-to-right which therefore means you are most comfortable composing left-to-right. (And even then, there's a lot of art from cultures who's text reads right-to-left, but their pictorial compositions still read best from left-to-right. e_e)
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