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Post by bagpipe turtle on Sept 9, 2007 21:58:20 GMT -5
When did Aang carry Zuko...? "The Blue Spirit" and "The Siege of the North, Part II" Oh, yeah. I forgot about it in the Blue Spirit. >.< Maybe he used airbending to help him? Katara is Mary in the sense not only by her position in many of the Piete scenes that she made with Aang all along the show, If not by the fact that she was the one narrating the legend and waiting for him as a Mary, without mentioning that she gived him to the life. Oh, yeah. I didn't even realize that before. Katara is pretty much Aang's second mother-- in the sense that she let him live a second time. Cool.
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Post by mahatista on Sept 9, 2007 22:02:46 GMT -5
Aang also carries Katara in episode 2 when he gets them off the old Fire Nation boat. I've thought of that too. They're either strong or somehow they're using their bending in a way where it's like holding someone under water -- they suddenly don't weigh anything. Katara just has a motherly personality, she's motherly to everyone, not just Aang. Hell, if things were different, she would be motherly to Zuko (but of course, it wouldn't be seen like that >.<) She would absolutely be motherly to Zuko. She was on the verge of being motherly to him in the crystal caves before all heck broke loose. And being motherly to someone does not obstruct romance in any way.
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Post by bagpipe turtle on Sept 9, 2007 22:06:54 GMT -5
Aang also carries Katara in episode 2 when he gets them off the old Fire Nation boat. I've thought of that too. They're either strong or somehow they're using their bending in a way where it's like holding someone under water -- they suddenly don't weigh anything. Well, when people are in desparate situations (like people they love are in danger), their muscles can go into overdrive, and they can lift cars and stuff easily. I forgot what it's called...
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Post by mahatista on Sept 9, 2007 22:07:44 GMT -5
^^ but Aang's not in love with Zuko. It's actually kind of funny to see little Aang pick up much bigger Zuko and fly around with him.
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Post by rocio on Sept 9, 2007 22:07:45 GMT -5
Im forced in to post again teh analisis since someones didn't read it.
The sense is divided in three branches: in one there are sensitivities (the tact, the speech, the taste, etc), the emotions (sad, contented) and in other the sense of the coherence.
But the sense that is demonstrated in televising and cinematographic has three similar branches; that generates emotions, we perceived when listening to it, seeing it and feel it by the tact (if it is that they go to those cinemas where everything shakes XD). Also the sense of the language; of that that is wanted to us to communicate with the words and the gestures, the signals. Since the words are not sufficient, and as it is normal in the cinema or television: the personages never say exactly what they really thinks or feels (they lie or they do not understand it).
Then the truth of the personages is explained with the actions; expressions, gestures, symbols: and here the third branch of the sense enters, called in the televising or cinematographic; THE ANTHROPOLOGICAL CULTURAL SENSE!
And the culture: myths, games, traditions, sorts ..... And these are represented in images that nobody can never confuse; and they have a meaning that all we recognize right away. Because therefore the culture us has inculcated it: like a the scene of the “mercy”, or the scene of the virgin Maria, or scenes that are repeated throughout history.
The language is the accomplishment of signs: in the television and cinema everything is said through the signs, since the words do not reach and they do not serve. There are things that the spectator must see single to have an idea of which truth is happening and until predicting the end.
THERE IS A THOUGHT STRUCTURE THAT GIVES THE SPEECH THAT USES THE ART.
SINCE THE SPEECH IS SIMPLE, AND THE ART IS COMPLEX.
(only watch everything THAT I must write to explain that second in the show)
Because it counts other things in addition to which informs: in a the art work everything is form and contained. Whereas the single natural language is contained.
That is to say: The CULTURAL MATRICES: they give form and content. These are things that the spectator knows all its life (this case “the mercy” of Miguel Angel), are economic since the public sees it and already understands, does not need greater explanation than more single a simple scene: since the public is alphabetized (If it sees a scene that is reference to the “mercy, it knows that it is seeing a sad woman with her dead big son, holding him as a baby, she, who was arranged to protect, to give her life for him, and that now already nothing matters to her and nothing can stop her), they go of time to time.
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Post by bagpipe turtle on Sept 9, 2007 22:11:23 GMT -5
^^ but Aang's not in love with Zuko. It's actually kind of funny to see little Aang pick up much bigger Zuko and fly around with him. But he was still in a desparate situation, no?
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Post by mahatista on Sept 9, 2007 22:14:18 GMT -5
^^ Yes, that's true. But I think bending has a lot to do with it and Sokka might not be as strong in the same circumstances.
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Post by Everwen45 on Sept 9, 2007 22:15:02 GMT -5
@rocio: Don't take this the wrong way, but, please, can't we leave this behind, please? We all get it, the allegory, the whole maternal thing, the messianic hero role. Just, please, lets leave this argument behind us, because is no new argument, and nothing is gonna come from it, especially if we keep mixin it with the ships.
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Well, in the chapter "The Warriors of Kyoshi" Katara just lifts Aang like he was made of paper, same in CoD. But wouldn't be the first time that sor of stuff hapenned. For example, Jet got killed because Long Feng pretty much knocked him and send him flying, but how many times haven't we seen the gaang and Zuko doing the same? Like, in "Bato of The Waer Tribe", when Zuko and Aang are fighting in the abady -is that the name? I don't remember very well- and then attack each other at the same time wit their respective element, there's an explosion and they end falling on some roofs.
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Post by bagpipe turtle on Sept 9, 2007 22:17:07 GMT -5
@rocio: Don't take this the wrong way, but, please, can't we leave this behind, please? We all get it, the allegory, the whole maternal thing, the messianic hero role. Just, please, lets leave this argument behind us, because is no new argument, and nothing is gonna come from it, especially if we keep mixin it with the ships. ---***--- Well, in the chapter "The Warriors of Kyoshi" Katara just lifts Aang like he was made of paper, same in CoD. But wouldn't be the first time that sor of stuff hapenned. For example, Jet got killed because Long Feng pretty much knocked him and send him flying, but how many times haven't we seen the gaang and Zuko doing the same? Like, in "Bato of The Waer Tribe", when Zuko and Aang are fighting in the abady -is that the name? I don't remember very well- and then attack each other at the same time wit their respective element, there's an explosion and they end falling on some roofs. I think the abbey is what you're talking about... right? I think that they probably just leave so much of it like that because it gives it more excitement. You kind of ruin a climax if Katara can't lift Aang on her way out of the crystal catacombs.
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Post by Amira on Sept 9, 2007 22:19:16 GMT -5
There is also an adrenaline factor to consider. Stress and panic in difficult situations can make people to push their bodies' limits.
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Post by mahatista on Sept 9, 2007 22:20:55 GMT -5
^^ Katara was being lifted along with Aang on a pillar water. I think his weight may have been partially supported, but it looked like he wasn't actually light as a feather. She had to sort of drag him part of the way. (in CoD)
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Post by bagpipe turtle on Sept 9, 2007 22:21:19 GMT -5
There is also an adrenaline factor to consider. Stress and panic in difficult situations can make people to push their bodies' limits. That's what I was saying before. When people are in desparate situations, we can make our muscles do things that they normally can't.
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Post by Everwen45 on Sept 9, 2007 22:21:36 GMT -5
Too bad that didn't work for Jet. See, that's what happens when Nickelodeon cut scenes and creates plot holes. Well, whaddya gonna do?
I'm done for today guys, see ya.
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Post by rocio on Sept 9, 2007 22:25:03 GMT -5
Sorry, its just that I wanted to clarify that I wasn't saying anything about personality or that.....
Ok, That about Jet... Yea, poor guy....
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Post by mahatista on Sept 9, 2007 22:27:54 GMT -5
Actually in CoD Aang and Zuko should have been killed about twenty times each, so it is definitely sad for Jet that he wasn't made of sterner stuff.
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