yiceman
Bosco
Not all who wander are lost.
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Post by yiceman on Mar 28, 2007 17:53:07 GMT -5
Hey =0
It depends how often I get bored and whether you guys say something that I can't help but barge in and protest, otherwise I was going to leave you all alone for a while ;p
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Post by Blind Bandit on Mar 28, 2007 17:54:31 GMT -5
[ Lol, we posted at the same time. About the debates, it all depends on how often yice comes in. Actually I bet you by one mintue.lol I win. but ya maybe yicemen will pick on the zutrans for a while becasue even though where fluffy where alos one of the more logical ships. KrystalFruit22: We'll be burned at the stake for enjoying our stay at the Sky Castle! @liesl: So far, lol! I don't mind debates sometimes but since there's been so many lately, I think we should all just sit back, relax and enjoy our ship for a loooong while. So like, guys! How awesome would it be if Katara tried to kiss Aang? One scenario I thought of was during "The Awakening" where Aang is still unconcious (or is sleeping) and Katara's just watching him, keeping a good eye on him when she starts feeling all flustered and then attempts to kiss him...only to have Sokka interrupt! Darn you Sokka. xD I agree I debated out why don't everyone who wants to debate go pick on another ship for a while. Hey =0 It depends how often I get bored and whether you guys say something that I can't help but barge in and protest, otherwise I was going to leave you all alone for a while ;p Its not that I don't like debating with you but I think you a little too analytical for your own good. ;D Ah good.. A new room to start trouble in. Might as well pick up where I left off. I'm sorry if the way I said it sounded offensive. All I meant is that it is your chosen point of view, and there is no more way I can debate that than I can a person's religious choice. So, I wash my hands of the matter. And I did not mean Aang will never grow out of his guilt-ridden, clinging to Katara, "run when things get tough" ways. I have full faith that he can. But at the moment when he had the Love Vision he is still that boy. That's all. I hope this clears it up, and no more petty arguments persist from it. Not really, because I can always find something I don't like in your arguments. Still, I have to say one thing... Not quite. He's coming out of it more quickly than people give him credit for, especially after what happened in that underground city. And I need to go. Bible study awaits me in a half hour. I feel sorry for ya bible study tends to be very booring.
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yiceman
Bosco
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Post by yiceman on Mar 28, 2007 17:58:39 GMT -5
Picking on zutarians isn't fun. Whenever I tell them their ship has no standing evidence or factual reasoning for being created they say "Yeah, so?"
What was that lunauc said? It's like making fun of a guy in a wheelchair because he can't walk.
But I might try it...just have to figure out where to start...because most of my opinions are based around what would make a good story, and I can't really think of a way in which zutara would be bad for the story. I'm sure you folks might have ideas?
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Khil01
Long Feng
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Airbending kataang commander.
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Post by Khil01 on Mar 28, 2007 18:00:15 GMT -5
New sky castle! Congrats on the new room everyone.
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Post by Blind Bandit on Mar 28, 2007 18:01:01 GMT -5
Picking on zutarians isn't fun. Whenever I tell them their ship has no standing evidence or factual reasoning for being created they say "Yeah, so?" What was that lunauc said? It's like making fun of a guy in a wheelchair because he can't walk. But I might try it...just have to figure out where to start...because most of my opinions are based around what would make a good story, and I can't really think of a way in which zutara would be bad for the story. I'm sure you folks might have ideas? Ya they tend to be alittle like apple people. but anyway, I know where you coming from but I just disagree with your points not your abllity to prestent them.
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Ulu
Aang
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Post by Ulu on Mar 28, 2007 18:01:55 GMT -5
Yay, new sky castle! I just found something that might interest you from wikipedia: "Aang and Katara were seen sharing an umbrella in the fortuneteller. Sharing an umbrella is an old romantic motif" Just thought it was cute.
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Mar 28, 2007 18:12:33 GMT -5
Well if you wanted to you guys could present arguements on why zutara would be bad for the overall story. Those are the only arguements I'm interested in; a character's personality and feelings can be bypassed for the sake of the story if done carefully.
Truth to tell I've never deeply examined why zutara would be bad for the story, because it's such a longshot at happening. If you give me good material I'll pester the zutarians ;p
Of course that's kind of off topic...up to you. PM me if this isn't the right place.
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Post by Blind Bandit on Mar 28, 2007 18:25:35 GMT -5
somone can if they want fluuf sounds good right now.lol
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Yang Fishy
Wolf Hakoda
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all that rises must fall, all that is born must die, all that is gathered will be scattered
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Post by Yang Fishy on Mar 28, 2007 18:27:18 GMT -5
Picking on zutarians isn't fun. Whenever I tell them their ship has no standing evidence or factual reasoning for being created they say "Yeah, so?" yeah, so? lol xD Sorry Yice, I just HAD to do it! It was the perfect chance to. Wasn't it said here once that shipping doesn't have to be logical? Can't we just like it because we like it? I wouldn't necessarily say we're empty handed when it comes to shipping evidence. Common- if a friendly hug is considered "OMG Evidence!11" than I don't think were so crazy in saying a little sympathy moment isn't either *By the way, we haven't PM'd each other in a long time...
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Post by lunauc on Mar 28, 2007 18:39:35 GMT -5
Hmmm... maybe it's a good idea for Yice, Me and the other debaters to stay out of the Sky Castle for a while. We'll see how long you can enjoy fluffing eachother before it gets boring. ;D
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yiceman
Bosco
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Post by yiceman on Mar 28, 2007 18:44:09 GMT -5
Which is exactly why I feel guilty picking fights there. Much more interesting to attack the ship that is regarded as having factual proof and evidence.
Plus, since I see no ways that Zutara would hurt the story, I don't care to oppose it. I oppose Taang because I think it would be silly for Aang to abandon all of these powerful emotions for Katara and transfer them over to Toph, when it already would be better for him to be alone, imo. I oppose all Azula ships, because I think that would ruin her character. I think Sokka/Suki is fine, Sokka/Ty Lee is ok. Zuko/Mai I'm not so sure about because she really hasn't expressed a wide range of emotions, and she would need to become a more serious character for that to happen. Right now her "i don't care," attitude seems more of a standing joke than a personality. I don't think Song or Jin are coming back because their characters aren't big enough, just like I don't think the kid Li will return to play a major part in season 3. Jetara I wasn't sure about, because of his attempts to commit manslaughter, but that question was answered by his death. I think Toph/Sokka would be strange, since Sokka would have to recover from Suki's death in order for that to happen, and Toph character seems better as a solitary strong figure. I miss any? ;p
My point is that I don't want to bother people who simply appriciate a relationship for the personal pleasures the ship give them. I do want to bother people who focus on the facts and are convinced something that I am against will happen.
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Post by lunauc on Mar 28, 2007 18:54:20 GMT -5
Which is exactly why I feel guilty picking fights there. Much more interesting to attack the ship that is regarded as having factual proof and evidence. Plus, since I see no ways that Zutara would hurt the story, I don't care to oppose it. Oh, I can think of plenty of ways that Zutara could turn out horribly. Most of them revolve around the fangirl sexual attraction ideas and inevitable fighting with Aang. The ways that I can see it working though are pretty good stories. Pretty much any ship can turn out good or bad, depending on how it is written. I'll even admit, my own OTP of Taang would be terrible if it was just Aang shifting his obsessive feelings for Katara onto Toph. I just see hope in the fact that Toph is a strong willed, individualist, and hope she might help instill those same traits in Aang. Even Kataang could turn out in a good way, depending on how it is written. But right now, it just seems like a lost child clinging to his first crush, afraid to let go. And Katara's maternal instinct will only make Aang more dependant, since he does not see it as a bad thing, rather than capable of standing on his own. Of course, the show might turn their relationship around from this point. So, any ship can be good. And any ship can be bad.
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Mar 28, 2007 19:02:39 GMT -5
Which is where you have to come to recognize what kind of writers the Avatar writing staff are. They certainly aren't going to have Aang transfer his full crush over to Toph in a single episode. Which is why I rule situations that I see as totally unlikely to occur out.
Hence why I consider the arguement that if Zutara happened, Aang would be miserable, as crap. It's a cartoon tv show...whatever happens, the main character isn't going to be crying in a corner alone when the series ends.
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Post by Blind Bandit on Mar 28, 2007 19:05:11 GMT -5
lunauc I can't comment because I having trouble saying somthing nice and not flaming.lol
but I will say that zutura often ends up badly because they make katara seem like a spinless wimp who won't stand up to zuko witchs shes not. realisticly I see them butting heads a lot.
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Post by lunauc on Mar 28, 2007 19:10:40 GMT -5
Which is where you have to come to recognize what kind of writers the Avatar writing staff are. They certainly aren't going to have Aang transfer his full crush over to Toph in a single episode. Which is why I rule situations that I see as totally unlikely to occur out. Hence why I consider the arguement that if Zutara happened, Aang would be miserable, as crap. It's a cartoon tv show...whatever happens, the main character isn't going to be crying in a corner alone when the series ends. Now it would be funny as heck if he really was crying in a corner at th end of the show.
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