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Post by stinkypinky on Mar 4, 2007 16:49:35 GMT -5
We have to see more of Mai's character to actually get a grasp on her, but for now, she isn't good for anyone. Her apathy and "whatever" attitude is funny at times but it isn't any good on a relationship. She didn't care whatsoever about the welfare of her brother, but all of sudden she's a shoulder to cry on for Zuko? It makes me mad that some Kataangs say that Zutara doesn't have enough evidence, but it's okay for Kataangs to assume that Mai's apathedic attitude would actually help Zuko. What evidence do they have that would make them think she'd feel any compassion for Zuko? She didn't care about her little brother, or her parents, so why would Zuko be any different? Because she has the almighty crush on Zuko XP... and didn't give two sh*ts for her family Notice how most ATLA ships are started off as childhood crushes.
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Dazu
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Post by Dazu on Mar 4, 2007 16:52:35 GMT -5
Not Zutara though! We're different! ^_^ And yeah I highly doubt Mai would be helpfull to Zuko now, she's just too.....dark. He doesn't need more darkness in his life.
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Post by Kite on Mar 4, 2007 16:55:04 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I came off as trying to shove Maiko down your throats. I was just stating my opinion. I really do like Zuko as a character, he has a lot of good qualities. I don't agree with your opinion of Mai but, I'm not going to argue over it. Anyway, it's all in good fun.
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Post by Amira on Mar 4, 2007 18:06:48 GMT -5
Because she obviously thinks enough of Zuko to have a pleasant memory of him if nothing else. And in part I think Mai appeals as a partner to Zuko because she more than likely wouldn't be a girl to "fix" Zuko. Zuko doesn't need compassion, he needs a reality check. Plenty of people have shown him compassion and he behaves inappropriately. Zuko needs to stand up for himself and decide for himself and a lot of people like that "non-motherly" quality to Mai which they feel would benefit him better than "softer" characters like Song or Katara.
Just a bit of insight. I don't really ship Zuko with anyone, but I can understand the appeal of Maiko.
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Post by Dazu on Mar 4, 2007 18:09:05 GMT -5
Well I still don't see how Zuko would benefit from a very....dark type of girl, in my opinion it would make him even more emo.....y. But thats my opinion I'll let others do what they want.
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Post by Ana on Mar 4, 2007 18:13:46 GMT -5
Anyone notice how the last 6-7 posts in the previous Zutara board made by people arguing against the ship seemed to be trying to shove Maiko down our throats? I, or anyone else for that matter, was not trying to shove Maiko down your throats. Youkai-Slayer said something about the ship that I disagreed with and it snowballed, I guess, from there. i didn't like how she was able to give up her brother, but one of the reasons for that is that i'm a really overprotective sister . See, my thing with that is, what else was she to do? Would the episode continued if she had agreed to the trade? Would Azula done something to her if she didn’t? I think Mai does care for her family but I don’t think her and Zuko are a match made in heaven (since we have so little on her character). I just think Mai’s introverted personality would work well with Zuko since he has one too. That’s all, not trying to cram my shipping beliefs down your mouth.
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Post by stinkypinky on Mar 4, 2007 18:31:21 GMT -5
Until we see more on Mai's character all we see is a girl who couldn't care less about anything. Mai didn't care when her brother was "kidnapped", her family were obviously distressed, but she was just "whatever", yet in "The Drill" she cared about not getting dirty. So Clothes > family XD
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Post by tara22 on Mar 4, 2007 18:34:13 GMT -5
Well, Mai's introverted personality, while being a great play off Ty Lee's ultra bubbly one, probably (imo) wouldn't be the best for Zuko. We do need to see more of her though. What we've seen so far is that Mai likes the thrill of the chase and once she gets what she wants she seems immediately bored with it - what would she do when she finally landed Zuko. I can almost see her saying 'well that challenge was nearly interesting, err.....goodbye' , lol. That's actually the reason I like her character, she's so deadpan it cracks me up. But as she's been portrayed so far, any relationship with her wouldn't be very progressive.
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Post by Zutara7 on Mar 4, 2007 19:26:15 GMT -5
Because she obviously thinks enough of Zuko to have a pleasant memory of him if nothing else. And in part I think Mai appeals as a partner to Zuko because she more than likely wouldn't be a girl to "fix" Zuko. Zuko doesn't need compassion, he needs a reality check. Plenty of people have shown him compassion and he behaves inappropriately. Zuko needs to stand up for himself and decide for himself and a lot of people like that "non-motherly" quality to Mai which they feel would benefit him better than "softer" characters like Song or Katara. Just a bit of insight. I don't really ship Zuko with anyone, but I can understand the appeal of Maiko. Good point. If Maiko were to happen, it would remind me a lot of Ichigo/Rukia. Ichigo's stubborn and a bit arrogant, but Rukia's always there to knock him down a few pegs. Instead of being compassionate, Mai would probably give Zuko a major reality check and tell him to stop feeling sorry for himself.
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Post by paintedrose on Mar 4, 2007 20:27:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I just can't see Maiko happening at all. First of all, with how much the show has developed Zuko's character you'd have to think he'd end up with someone who's character has been developed as well. Mai is just a secondary character who's story we hardly even know. We know she had a crush on Zuko when she was younger, and because of this little piece of info, Kataanger's have set the two up together. I don't know.....to me it just sounds like people who ship Kataang put these two together because they don't want Zuko and Katara together. Just my opinion though.
But as for the two being good together? No. Yeah, I think Zuko would need a reality check, but not from Mai. I've never seen her give anyone a reality check. But to say that Katara is too sweet and innocent to give Zuko a reality check is just wrong. Wrong. Wrong. We've seen her almost annihilate Jet, we've seen her fight Zuko tons of times, and that awesome fight scene with Pakku? What was that? Tea time? No....I think Katara could give Zuko one h*** of a reality check. I dunno....sorry to sound rude or anything, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by HeiRen on Mar 4, 2007 21:09:04 GMT -5
mai isn;t exactly rukia like.... katara is actually the one who's kind of rukia like. i don;t even think mai can knock zuko like how rukia knocks ichigo...
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Post by Yang Fishy on Mar 4, 2007 22:57:33 GMT -5
Hey guys ;D I'm sorry but these are points I just gotta bring up. Zuko needs to stand up for himself and decide for himself and a lot of people like that "non-motherly" quality to Mai which they feel would benefit him better than "softer" characters like Song or Katara. Katara may have a "motherly quality" about her but her interaction(s) with Zuko are anything but motherly. Would a mother waterwhip her supposed son halfway across old Ba Sing Se? Umm...not any sane mother, no. I feel what you mention are Mai's quality already exist deep inside of Katara. And not for nothing, but their interaction down in the cave did come as a reality slap to Zuko. He wasn't aware that the Firenation had taken his enemy’s mom away from her; without her telling him, he probably would naver thought he had anything in common with Katara. Although I can agree with Zuko having to stand up for himself in some time, there are times when you cannot do it alone and you need others support. Honestly, would Aang be able to even Waterbend and Earthbend if he didn't have his friends support? Perhaps not. Now does this mean I want Katara to tag along and be Zuko's leaning shoulder to cry on or some sort of outlet which he could transfer all his negative energy into? Absolutely not. For that he has Iroh's paternal support and even though he may have turned his back on his uncle for the moment, true family sticks together and I'm sure Iroh will be willing to forgive his nephew, who he thinks of as a son. Iroh is a firm believer of giving everyone a second chance, is he not? Notice how most ATLA ships are started off as childhood crushes. Mengs crush on Aang. Koko's crush on the Avatar. Aang's crush on Katara. Jin's crush on Zuko. Mai's crush on Zuko. Ty Lee's crush on Sokka. Okay, somebody's gotta be crushed It makes me think that if both Maiko and Kataang do happen in the end, than it's pretty much giving off a message which indicates that first loves(on Aang's and Mai's behalf) do last to the end :/ I'm sorry, but I've only seen that happen in fairy tales, and so far the writers of Avatar seem to not fully extend the idea of first loves lastng forever as we've seen in Sokka's & Pakku's case. See, my thing with that is, what else was she to do? Would the episode continued if she had agreed to the trade? Would Azula done something to her if she didn’t? Mai: She(as in Azula) can shoot all the lightning she wants at me, I am not going in that wall sludge juice.Does this mean that Mai's character cares more about her appearance than the safety of her own brother? If she would have disobeyed Azula and have traded Bumi for her brother would Azula have shot her down with blue Fireblasts? Maybe. But would Mai really have cared: perhaps not. Or at least she gives the aura of not caring since she doesn't seems to mind for her own safety. So far Mai's character can be seen as 2-dimensional due to the minimal screen time and barely any background to be assuming that she and Zuko would hit-off. Who knows maybe Mai won't come to like the new Zuko whose not the same 10 year old boy which she had a crush on. Or perhaps maybe she will. Only time could tell, really
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Post by rocio on Mar 5, 2007 0:13:46 GMT -5
Im here!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look what I did! www.deviantart.com/deviation/50176426/See, my thing with that is, what else was she to do? Would the episode continued if she had agreed to the trade? Would Azula done something to her if she didn’t? Mai: She(as in Azula) can shoot all the lightning she wants at me, I am not going in that wall sludge juice.Does this mean that Mai's character cares more about her appearance than the safety of her own brother? If she would have disobeyed Azula and have traded Bumi for her brother would Azula have shot her down with blue Fireblasts? Maybe. But would Mai really have cared: perhaps not. Or at least she gives the aura of not caring since she doesn't seems to mind for her own safety. So far Mai's character can be seen as 2-dimensional due to the minimal screen time and barely any background to be assuming that she and Zuko would hit-off. Who knows maybe Mai won't come to like the new Zuko whose not the same 10 year old boy which she had a crush on. Or perhaps maybe she will. Only time could tell, really So right There......... A chilhood crush is in the past; Who know WHY Mai liked Zuko; maybe for simple curiosity of all child of to fall in love with a charming prince. But Zuko is another person now.
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Mar 5, 2007 0:50:11 GMT -5
I return once again to answer the naysayers. Ok, on the whole devotion to Aang thing, I have come to realize that Katara's devotion to Aang is similar to that of a devout worshipper and their god. Aang is her savior but does that mean that a person who is strong in their faith is incapable of feeling true love for a mortal? No. It isn't even the same kind of love. And just because a character has a crush on another character doesn't automatically mean they will get together. Ships don't always exist for the happy ending. Some provide conflict or character development. Meiko could very well prove to be the opposite of what a healthy ship is. His time with Azula and friends will hopefully help him to realize that he is not like them and that he doesn't ever want to be like them. Zuko needs to get over his pride in order to become whole. Maintaining the attitude that he has to be with someone of the proper blood and class will not help that. However, falling in love with someone regardless of the fact that they are a peasant and not Fire Nation could be very beneficial. I disagree with people saying that compassion shown to Zuko has not had an effect on him because it has. Could we have seen Season one Zuko say sorry to Katara if she had told him about her mother then? I really don't think so. Zuko has benefitted from all his interactions with people but kindness above all stays with a person. He was already shown to feel guilty for having betrayed his uncle who loved him so much. Kindness and Compassion can be a reality check just as much as telling someone that they are acting like a complete jerk. It shows to a person what goodness is. I don't understand why people here are so opposed to such things. A person does not change their way of life in a vacuum. They are motivated by actions and words of others.
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Post by lunachaos on Mar 5, 2007 1:27:12 GMT -5
*off topic* Did you guys see the winning Zutara video by Ardor? It's on the home page xD @rocio: Very lovely drawing there
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