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Post by wildimagination on Nov 30, 2007 23:30:24 GMT -5
I think Katara was surprised and happy with the kiss. I also think that Katara was looking down, because she didn't expect or imagine her first kiss being in the middle of an invasion.
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Post by Zenjamin on Nov 30, 2007 23:36:48 GMT -5
i know kataang is gonna happen, and i know katara has feeling for aang... but we cant delude ourselves... zutarans will bring up that picture where, for less then a second, katara had an outright frown... it looked most like embarassment to me.
the "she was so happy she was speechless" arguement is biased and will never fly.
this kiss just shows that while katara's feelings for aang were there. it was more like a growing seed. the feelings were not as developed as aang's so when the kiss brought all the feeling to light. she was confused.
EDIT: wow, that innuendo really was unintentional... ya, you go aang! you help her emotions grow. watter her seed! lol
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Post by Lyralocke on Dec 1, 2007 0:17:24 GMT -5
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 1, 2007 1:18:28 GMT -5
im pretty surprised at how happy some of you seem to be about the kiss... because, at first, i viewed it in a negitave light.... they called the moment "the frown"... anyways, the zutarans were asking for a explination of sorts, so i posted the following... hey all. that was a book. she must be REALLY in to zutara to spend so much time in its defense. at first when i read it seemed very well thought out and logical... however, she tries to claim to have all the answers... when reading some of it, almost everything was biased on personal speculation and opinion... and i was very unimpressed with her attempt to dismiss things like what M&B about kataang being in the DNA of the show and the headband... somethings you should just leave alone imo, otherwise arguments are exposed as self-serving and from a single perspective. but she did say some things i found insightful and logical, like about the parallel between ozi's speech and how he possibility learned what the FN was doing was wrong because of his interaction with katara ... but that scene stressed Iroh as zukos source for revaluation abit too much for it to be too significant imo. she did fail to address two things though... 1) pooldude/dylan have confirmed that the season will not end with zutara. 2) the moment in sokka's master where katara started to act self-concious when aang tried to make a joke about her hair... which i find very significant and not brought up enough by kataangers. now... on to the DOBS kiss: it does seem like a problem... from a completely unbiased standpoint i would say that the blush was just a physical reaction and she wasnt really "into the moment" and not explore it any further... however i cant be unbiased... my faith that the 2.5 seasons of kataang development will not be wasted and that it has been confirmed by outside sources that kataang will happen, means i will look at this with the assumption that kataang will happen and explain it from there... and the explanation is quite logical: katara's feelings for aang have always been under the surface, explaining it away and doubting it... like a seed in her mind that, for social and personal reasons, she explained away... "hes the avatar, and a good friend... it would never work between us so i shouldnt dwell on it" Aang on the other hand, has confronted and embraced his feelings... so when aang confronted katara with the kiss, he brought all of kataras feelings to surface, forced her to confront them under the realization of how aang feels. as you can imagine, that can be very confusing on a girl... epically without any verbal confession. katara might be wondering if aang just kissed her because she was a girl and he wanted a kiss before he went to meet his possible death. she knows aang kissed her, she does not know aang loves her. anyways, the look on katara's was a look of being dazed, embarrassed, and possibly ashamed for playing this game with aang and not exploring her feelings... which she was just beginning to accept with the whole "your not a kid anymore" speech. so ya, the official counter argument is that while aang has fully embraced and explored his feelings for katara, katara's feelings have been more "under the surface" and, the shock katara felt after the kiss was the result of all those emotions starting to be realized. do you guys agree? is that a suitable explanation for katara's post-kiss reaction? EDIT: wow lyralocke... that was... just excellent... i cant belive you came up with that so quickly... very in charcter, a good explanation. and overall good.
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Post by yiceman on Dec 1, 2007 1:23:42 GMT -5
Highly logical, yet in a visual medium such as this, we have to go on what we see. Are we all expected to instantly realize all of that when she avoids eye-contact with him? Or should we go with our instantaneous instincts and our first opinions? What we saw was kind of ambiguous. I'm reserving judgment until Western Air Temple.
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Post by Solvabibble on Dec 1, 2007 1:27:30 GMT -5
I think she was just in shock. He flew off immediately afterwards and she went back to doing her job, albeit rather flustered. They didn't have time later to discuss it because there were more important issues at hand. I'm really looking forward to 3.12, because hopefully that will clear some issues up ship-wise. Aaaaaanddd.....I'll admit, I was a teensy bit happy to see the kiss. ^^;; Why? Because now his feelings for her are out in the open. It's up to her to decide what to do with them.
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 1, 2007 1:29:22 GMT -5
except this wasnt our first instinct, our first opinions... we dont have to take the kiss alone and separate from the rather extensive relationship between aang and katara... we will look at it in relation to things like "sokkas master" and "the headband" and lets be honest here, if we all just went purely off the visual medium... we wouldnt ever have reason to disagree with zutarans.
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Post by yiceman on Dec 1, 2007 1:30:58 GMT -5
I think it was supposed to be ambiguous. Mike and Bryan are storytellers after all. Why have they kept the romance going for so long without reaching the finish-line?
Why did the lights go out in CoTL, so we don't know whether or not they kissed?
Why don't we know exactly what Katara feels?
To keep us on our toes. Of course we can theorize and deduce and conclude "Well of course they kissed in the cave because blahblahblah" "They didn't kiss because blahblahblah."
We're not supposed to know! That's why the lights went out!
And we're not supposed to know now. They want to keep us anxious. We'll find out for certain in follow episodes. I firmly believe we can make no clear deductions from Katara's reaction either way, because that's how it was intentionally represented.
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Post by Tsukasa Hiiragi on Dec 1, 2007 1:31:15 GMT -5
well, the west hasnt finished watching the episode, but they are watching it now... so i suppose its ok to discuss a little. after the kataang kiss, katara looked shocked, then she cast her eyes downwards and frowned... almost like she was ashamed or something... but some zutarans might use this to try to say that katara has little or no intrest that way... to which we must remind them that moments like the headband and self-concious katara in sokka's master were put in there for an obvious reason... and its pretty much been confirmed by pooldude and dylin that kataang is going to end the series. katara was just shocked that the relationship was brouight to ahead so suddenly by aang, and perhaps guilty for feeling that she had avoided the issue when he was very real to aang. OMG 'kataang is going to end the series' in the good way.. right??
party!? someone answer meh, it seems no one is parting.. I'm asuming its a good way... as in.. it happends... but no one is partying.. I'm confused
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 1, 2007 1:34:41 GMT -5
And we're not supposed to know now. They want to keep us anxious. We'll find out for certain in follow episodes. I firmly believe we can make no clear deductions from Katara's reaction either way, because that's how it was intentionally represented. i agree... thats the point of a story teller. drag on the suspense, keep the viewer wanting more its been said before "M&B... biggest. teases. ever." EDIT to Mikuru: that info is actually relitivly old news actually. but no matter. it really didnt come to a surprise to many of us.
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Post by yiceman on Dec 1, 2007 1:36:35 GMT -5
What do you think they were doing in Nightmares and Daydreams? Teas-iiing. I'm amazed you guys didn't riot when you found out it wasn't for real ;p
They're just torturing the fans. And they want to keep us watching. Which is why we don't know what Katara thinks, we don't know where Iroh is, and we don't know what'll happen between Zuko and the gAang.
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Post by sunshine60 on Dec 1, 2007 2:39:24 GMT -5
I think Katara was more sad after the kiss, especially after what Aang said, about possibly not coming back. It's more likely that she took that kiss for Aang's goodbye (to die in battle maybe!) After all, you don't get really mushy, blushy just before a situation like that.
Well, for me there's not ambiguity.
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Post by frozenwind141 on Dec 1, 2007 2:44:56 GMT -5
Finally got our kiss Only took 50 episodes, but it was completely worth wait. yiceman: As for the teasing in the previous episode, I knew that we were getting a kiss in the next episode so I wasn't too bothered, I just like that the creators like to tease us by making them kiss. Good tease I say xD Oh, and I'm nearly done on uploading all my icons from DoBS *points to icon*, so I'm assuming you guys will want a link to all the Kataang ones?
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Post by Zenjamin on Dec 1, 2007 3:12:26 GMT -5
ya, and i repeat that the kiss was a good thing for the reasons mentioned above... forceing katara to confront and develope her feelings and forcing aang to give a verbal confession later on... but still look at that kiss through the eyes of a non kataanger and all they will really notice is that kataras arms are not wrapped around aang... though she does have her eyes closed.
it was good for development... but visually, it doesnt scream mutual fluff or anything.
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Post by frozenwind141 on Dec 1, 2007 3:41:40 GMT -5
They were going off to war, people were expecting this amazing love filled kiss were they dived into each others arms and made out.
Infact it was very true to real life, I think of it as something out of a WW2 movie, guy going off to fight, in love with his forever girl. They kiss and he goes off while she looks on sadly as she knows that could be the last time they ever meet again. That's how I see their kiss there, it was pure and real.
Katara kissed him back and that's all that matters. Then at the end there is no awkwardness between them, she wraps an arm round him and they look at each other, then they both stand up together. If Katara didn't like him, she would have been awkward and slightly detached, instead they've both evolved together and now they have a new relationship which we're going to see more off in the last episodes of this Season.
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