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Post by Ryth76 on Nov 28, 2006 16:38:23 GMT -5
Unless people put on the first post a description of the pairing and also list the other pairings of the same group as what it's not. I think that could help.
There's only five pages, and most of that wasn't discussing how Kataang's unlikely either. If I remember, it was mostly about how a love triangle will help both ships and Kataangkians (Kataangkish? Katangkese?Kataangkites?Kataangkers?) thinking up scenarios of the triangle.
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Post by puggles on Nov 28, 2006 16:39:02 GMT -5
Well, in order to be even on both sides of the board, why is there no similiar discussion about why Zutara is unlikely? I don't know, ask someone who feels that way, because I'd rather talk about why it's likely? ;D I'm not blind to the fact that Zuko and Katara have very little screen time and as far as we've seen, hate each other's guts. But I've always liked their interactions, so I'm biased to their pairing. However, a triangle is just as interesting. And about the Zukaang thing, I like yaoi too, and if this were an anime, I'd really be asking "Ooh, what about Zuko and Aang?" I totally see the obsession he's had with the avatar and one could mistake that for something else
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 16:41:12 GMT -5
And about the Zukaang thing, I like yaoi too, and if this were an anime, I'd really be asking "Ooh, what about Zuko and Aang?" I totally see the obsession he's had with the avatar and one could mistake that for something else Well then. I'll grab my Zukaang arguments and post them here. Although I think my avatar really sums it up the best.
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Post by puggles on Nov 28, 2006 16:47:24 GMT -5
Well then. I'll grab my Zukaang arguments and post them here. Although I think my avatar really sums it up the best. To be honest, I was confused at first. When it says flaming, i just thought, "yeah, that's right, Zuko's flaming hott." I'm slow But now that I know, it really does sum it up.
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Post by Ryth76 on Nov 28, 2006 16:50:05 GMT -5
Well then. I'll grab my Zukaang arguments and post them here. Although I think my avatar really sums it up the best. I like that avatar ^_^. It was one of my favorites when I first came to this board. Though I never could catch that lisp people talk about @_@. I just caught on that he was Asian by his accent (then later I recognized his voice from Hook), but nada on the lisp.
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 16:53:27 GMT -5
Well then. I'll grab my Zukaang arguments and post them here. Although I think my avatar really sums it up the best. I like that avatar ^_^. It was one of my favorites when I first came to this board. Though I never could catch that lisp people talk about @_@. I just caught on that he was Asian by his accent (then later I recognized his voice from Hook), but nada on the lisp. OT, but I'm only just noticing your personal text. You're an IZ fan?
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Post by Ryth76 on Nov 28, 2006 16:56:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm a IZ fan. Or rather, I enjoy it a lot.
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 16:59:21 GMT -5
I've been in the IZ fandom since 2002, myself. Ok, my Zukaang argument - it's a direct cut/paste: How's this for supporting the ship: Every time that a parallel is drawn between Zuko and someone else, it's drawn between him and Aang. When the story of Zuko's tragic past is brought up does the show focus on how that parallels with Katara's past? No. It shows how it parallel's with Aang. They are opposites in ways that have nothing to do with the elemental basis that seems to be the major selling point of the Zuko/Katara as Yin/Yang argument which is so popular. They also have haunting similiarities that are draw into the light and examined closely. There is also a basis for a potential friendship which is a good stepping point towards a possible relationship. That aside, Zuko's obsession with Aang, even after he knew the possibility of redemption in his father's eyes was gone, is very clear and stark. It could be argued that he doesn't persue Aang because of his father so much as he persues Aang because he Aang is the most important thing - the key to his happiness. That sort of obsession seems to override many other relationships (both romantic and otherwise). More to the point, up until the current point in the series (not counting the season finale which has not aired yet and thus cannot be properly examined) Zuko's ONLY interest has been in Aang and not in his companions. That scene with the necklace was not supporting Zutara - he wasn't interested in her, he was interested in AANG. If anything, that's a Zukaang supporting scene.
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Post by puggles on Nov 28, 2006 17:11:49 GMT -5
There is also a basis for a potential friendship which is a good stepping point towards a possible relationship. That aside, Zuko's obsession with Aang, even after he knew the possibility of redemption in his father's eyes was gone, is very clear and stark. It could be argued that he doesn't persue Aang because of his father so much as he persues Aang because he Aang is the most important thing - the key to his happiness. That sort of obsession seems to override many other relationships (both romantic and otherwise). More to the point, up until the current point in the series (not counting the season finale which has not aired yet and thus cannot be properly examined) Zuko's ONLY interest has been in Aang and not in his companions. That scene with the necklace was not supporting Zutara - he wasn't interested in her, he was interested in AANG. If anything, that's a Zukaang supporting scene. Yeah, that's true. The Blue Spirit is one of my favorite episodes because it shows how well Aang and Zuko work together. They remind me of Ban and Ginji from Getbackers, and from then on I've always wanted them to develop a friendship just as close. But like I said, it's not anime and that's why I don't really ship Zukaang, even with all the evidence, cause I know it won't go there.
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 17:17:46 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true. The Blue Spirit is one of my favorite episodes because it shows how well Aang and Zuko work together. They remind me of Ban and Ginji from Getbackers, and from then on I've always wanted them to develop a friendship just as close. But like I said, it's not anime and that's why I don't really ship Zukaang, even with all the evidence, cause I know it won't go there. I've never limited my slashing to anime *grin* I've slashed more cartoons than I can name right now and a fair number of regular shows as well.
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Post by avatarluv on Nov 28, 2006 19:09:36 GMT -5
I'm going to try and keep an open mind about this Zukaang ship, even though I already stated I'm uncomfortable with the idea of straight characters being put together in homosexual relationships...
Growly, there's just a slight problem with the Zuko obsession with Aang thing-he seems to have given up his chase recently...
Oh, and a general question-you guys know that Nick article I mentioned earlier in the thread? Is it possible that that last line has no real meaning and is just something put in to support shipping arguments and a hint that the creators are definitely aware of the debate?
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Post by Ryth76 on Nov 28, 2006 19:26:13 GMT -5
Yes, that is a possibility, and before the finale I didn't take any heed to it. But now that Zuko and Katara apparently make amends, and Zuko might be joining the group, plus other details, it seems very possible that it could happen. Not saying it would, but that now it seems a possibility.
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Post by avatarluv on Nov 28, 2006 19:46:36 GMT -5
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Post by Ryth76 on Nov 28, 2006 21:08:56 GMT -5
That picture is great! Hmmm... There should be a Kataangko fanart listing... Oh! And there used to be some music videos... I'll look for some of those, too. Here's Kataangko/Kataangko-ish pictures I found. NOT BY ME! Note: I counted "the other side of Zutara" because it centers on how Aang feels about Zutara. Valentine's Day BattleSweet or Sour?Zuko vs. AangAang or Zuko?TornNever meant to be10,000 hits requestAvatar TLA Beach FunKataang & Zutara Yin YangThe Other Side of Zutara IThe Other Side of Zutara IIThe Other Side of Zutara IIIThe Other Side of Zutara IVAnd, of course, what Avatarluv found: Kataang or Zutara?Edit: Two fanfics! Watching, Dreaming, Hoping, Loving- much like The Other Side of Zutara, only Zuko & Kataang Not Him - TOSoZ-ish; Aang & Zutara Fanvids! (Warning: Youtube! Might be deleted later!) Katara is In Love With TwoKatara's DilemmaKatara's Heroes: Holding Out for a HeroZuko's Jealousy: Cotton Eyed Joe (Remix)When Somebody Loved MeMeasure of a ManUnfaithfulI think it still counts as Kataangko if it's about the other person's reaction to losing the person they love to another. Does it? And if it ends as one or the other, as long as the other is involved... (I had to skip an Aang&Zutara one because Zuko didn't even show up, so it sounded more like a character death fanvid...) Anyone want to make a Kataangko fanvid? Or do fanart? Sorry, I'm just a bit eager for more Kataangko!
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Post by Splendi on Nov 28, 2006 22:28:12 GMT -5
I love the fan art and fics and stuff, but back to buisness..
Kataang and Zutara don't depend on what we all want, or what we yell at eachother about. My friend, Kate, and I are mortal enemies when it comes to avatar (She's Zutara and I'm Kataang), but we're going to watch the finalie together.. and our birthday's are like NOW anyway.
Everything depeneds on what the creators want. These are the times when I really wish that they had accounts on this website!
I enjoy the ramblings and the awesome thought that's gone into this.. but if we want to alter the Avatar world then WRITE A LETTER! xD
Anyway... now it's my turn to ramble. I believe that both Kataang and Zuatara have an equal amount of probability, even though all of my rambles will, in the end, lead to Kataang.. xD You have been WARNED!
I think that since the age difference in Zutara might lessen the chances, but Zuko's mind is a lot more clear than Aangs'. Also, Zuko knows himself a lot better than Aang who's figuring out how to deal with the avatar stuff.
No ones mind is made up except the creators, and us simple fan.. us AWESOME simple fans must wait and see. Then get mad or take in stride what we see. It's going to be a long rest of the week.
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