AmbrMerlinus
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Post by AmbrMerlinus on Sept 12, 2006 20:22:21 GMT -5
I like this ship.
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Growly
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Post by Growly on Sept 12, 2006 20:26:22 GMT -5
Glad to hear it. It doesn't seem like too many people do.
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Post by avatariaxxxmari on Sept 12, 2006 20:28:02 GMT -5
ok your kidding with the Zukaang because if you are that's gross and it would'nt happen in a nick show That's not nice. I ship it. Obviously it wouldn't happen, but it's awesome. There's a lot of evidence...possibly comparable to Kataang. Girl you ship all ;D
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Growly
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Post by Growly on Sept 12, 2006 20:30:31 GMT -5
That's not nice. I ship it. Obviously it wouldn't happen, but it's awesome. There's a lot of evidence...possibly comparable to Kataang. Girl you ship all ;D *peers around* You saw that photo of me from the Zutara room didn't you? I swear, they put me up to it I wasn't myself!
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Post by avatariaxxxmari on Sept 12, 2006 20:46:41 GMT -5
Then who were you! Lol, ;D
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Growly
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Post by Growly on Sept 12, 2006 20:47:58 GMT -5
Then who were you! Lol, ;D I was... SOKKA!
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Post by avatarspirit on Sept 12, 2006 22:15:54 GMT -5
LOL, LOVE YOUR AVVIE! Where'd you get it? and yes, I ship this too! In my opinion they make a cute couple! Like when in SOTN, when Aang tries to escape fro that cave, and Zuko grabs him by the shirt and says,. "You're not getting away that esily!" HELLO?? Actually, he seems like the possesive type, hope Aang watches out! (And to those of you who are homophobic, Their people too! they deserve some RESPECT and there is NOTHING gross about it! it's not their fault their fault who they fall in love with! rant over)
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Millie
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Post by Millie on Sept 12, 2006 22:45:41 GMT -5
I'd probably be into it if Aang was older....or if Zuko was older? ...Let's just say if age wasn't an issue XD I really can't see myself shipping it seriously, but I adore crack!pairings. Yay obsessive stalker love! Zuaang isn't crack. Anyone with a passing knowledge on queer criticism can tell you that without a doubt. That's not nice. I ship it. Obviously it wouldn't happen, but it's awesome. There's a lot of evidence...possibly comparable to Kataang. *blinks* That's a good point. I should make up a list of comparative evidence for Zukaang, Zutara and Kataang. I'm sure Zukaang could probably give the other ships a run for their money when it comes to canon evidence. But that I disagree with. Zuaang has a lot of canonical basis, but it's not comparable to Kataang. There is no ship that even comes close to how Kataang has been consistently built up--their relationship has grown stronger with every episode [with the obvious exception of "Zuko Alone"].
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Growly
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Post by Growly on Sept 13, 2006 0:50:46 GMT -5
But that I disagree with. Zuaang has a lot of canonical basis, but it's not comparable to Kataang. There is no ship that even comes close to how Kataang has been consistently built up--their relationship has grown stronger with every episode [with the obvious exception of "Zuko Alone"]. Well, as a Kataang shipper I can't disagree with that assessment - nor can I as a storyteller. The usual reaction most people have to this particular ship though is immediate rejection - that has always stuck in my craw rather unpleasantly. It has more canon evidence than any pairing, save for Kataang, and a great deal more than most pairings (crack!pairings or otherwise).
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Post by easilydistracted on Sept 13, 2006 1:05:46 GMT -5
Growly, 600+ posts already? Lol, I think you've been averaging 100 posts a day. XD
I'm A-Okay with Aang x Zuko. XD If Aang had been a couple of years older in canon... woah...
I have written a couple of AxZ fics. Both Aang and Zuko are older in my stories. I usually write older!AtLA fics. Would pimp the fics but they were written before the Aang's Fury movie so Aang's character may be a bit too benign.
Ever since the Aang's Fury movie, I'm not sure how to characterize Aang anymore.
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Millie
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Post by Millie on Sept 13, 2006 1:20:17 GMT -5
Well, as a Kataang shipper I can't disagree with that assessment - nor can I as a storyteller. The usual reaction most people have to this particular ship though is immediate rejection - that has always stuck in my craw rather unpleasantly. It has more canon evidence than any pairing, save for Kataang, and a great deal more than most pairings (crack!pairings or otherwise). Everytime I say Kataang is canon, many people insist it's a biased statement from a Kataang fan, instead of an observation of the canon by an Avatar fan who boarded the Kataang ship because of canon. But yes, my saying that Zuaang pales to Kataang is an observation, not a matter of preference. The truth is, I'm not even really a fan of shounen-ai [slash]. There is little else in the entire world that is more paternalistic than shounen-ai. As a female with a slight streak of feminism, I'm more into shoujo-ai. But Zuaang appeals to me in a way most shounen-ai ships don't, and that it has canonical basis has much to do with it. I will defend Zuaang to death. It pales to Kataang, and the few other canon ships have an edge over Zuaang, but it's a pretty strong ship. Not for romance, but it wins at homosociality.
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Growly
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Post by Growly on Sept 13, 2006 4:53:00 GMT -5
Every time I say Kataang is canon, many people insist it's a biased statement from a Kataang fan, instead of an observation of the canon by an Avatar fan who boarded the Kataang ship because of canon. But yes, my saying that Zuaang pales to Kataang is an observation, not a matter of preference. Oddly enough, the reason I am attracted to the Aang/Katara pairing has a basis in the canon as well. While I may be a ridiculous and oftentimes crazy (but in a fun way ;D) individual, stories are something I take very seriously. I once wrote a sixty page report on the Irken race - including biology (with hand drawn skeletal, muscular and digestive/reproductive/circulation/etc system charts), past society, present society, religion and time line (and other things). I had to make sure everything fit together in a logical manner before tackling the story itself. One of the reasons Avatar appeals so much is that the writers have done a lot of that work for me. It leaves me plenty of room to work with the characters themselves and explore their complexities. Canon matters, especially where logic is concerned. There's little I dislike more than something that violates canon, and I applaud people who can use canon as a means of enhancing their ideas instead of treating it like an anchor around their neck (or worse, ignoring it entirely). Katara/Aang is canon - the writers/creators have done a really good job of showing the developing relationship between the characters in a believable fashion. True that currently Aang bears more for Katara than she does for him, but it's clear that the potential exists on her side as well (as demonstrated in a few episodes such as the Cave of Two Lovers and The Fortuneteller). As such, there is no way I would try to validate the pairing of Zuko/Aang by trying to argue against Kataang. When it boils right down to it, Kataang is my Avatar OTP. The truth is, I'm not even really a fan of shounen-ai [slash]. There is little else in the entire world that is more paternalistic than shounen-ai. As a female with a slight streak of feminism, I'm more into shoujo-ai. I must admit, I find that rather amusing. Usually I prefer slash (and femmeslash) to het. In fact, there are only three major het-pairings I'm fond of in the fandoms I've been in recently. Oddly enough, all three of them have been supported by canon - and two (Kataang being one of them) have been outstripped by a fanon pairing with far less basis in their respective shows. But Zuaang appeals to me in a way most shounen-ai ships don't, and that it has canonical basis has much to do with it. I will defend Zuaang to death. It pales to Kataang, and the few other canon ships have an edge over Zuaang, but it's a pretty strong ship. Not for romance, but it wins at homosociality. I didn't count a few of the other ships in my calculation about which ships had more basis in canon than Zukaang (notably those that don't involve either Aang or Katara). I do support many of them - for example Sokka/Yue and Sokka/Suki. I even have a certain fondness in my heart for Sokka/Toph. I just didn't feel they were too involved with the Zuko/Aang pairing, while Kataang (and to a lesser degree Zutara) are. I didn't really picture Zukaang as being a romantic ship - I'm not going to delude myself. Aang/Katara will be romantic - is romantic - but Zuko and Aang have a far different dynamic. And if Kataang is currently a mostly one-sided canon (which hopefully will change as the show progresses), then so is Zukaang. Kataang focuses a great deal on the fact that Aang has feelings for Zutara (and it's not simply a crush, I hate it when people dismiss it as such just because Aang is twelve). Zukaang (or Zuaang, whichever you prefer) is more focused on the feelings that Zuko has for Aang - the obsession that drives him and threatens to consume his existence. The canon supports that as far as Zuko is concerned - Aang gives Zuko hope. Aang is the only thing that seems to give Zuko hope. That may change as he matures, but it is still the case now. This post is becoming entirely too long, so I'll try to conclude it. I see Zukaang as a distinct possibility, but even when writing/dabbling in that possibility, I am very careful to take into account the presence of Kataang as well. Aang would not be happy with Zuko - at least not anytime soon and even then, that would be far outstripped by the feelings he has for Katara. In many regards the Zuko/Aang pairing favours the emotions of Zuko, while the Katara/Aang one is more balanced (and a great deal more healthy). I would not try to replace Kataang with Zukaang - and loving Kataang as I do, I am looking forward to when it becomes completely canon. After all, I don't need slash in canon - all I have to do is look as far as my imagination to supply me with that.
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Avatarbeefcake
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Post by Avatarbeefcake on Sept 13, 2006 20:50:38 GMT -5
Every time I say Kataang is canon, many people insist it's a biased statement from a Kataang fan, instead of an observation of the canon by an Avatar fan who boarded the Kataang ship because of canon. But yes, my saying that Zuaang pales to Kataang is an observation, not a matter of preference. Oddly enough, the reason I am attracted to the Aang/Katara pairing has a basis in the canon as well. While I may be a ridiculous and oftentimes crazy (but in a fun way ;D) individual, stories are something I take very seriously. I once wrote a sixty page report on the Irken race - including biology (with hand drawn skeletal, muscular and digestive/reproductive/circulation/etc system charts), past society, present society, religion and time line (and other things). I had to make sure everything fit together in a logical manner before tackling the story itself. One of the reasons Avatar appeals so much is that the writers have done a lot of that work for me. It leaves me plenty of room to work with the characters themselves and explore their complexities. Canon matters, especially where logic is concerned. There's little I dislike more than something that violates canon, and I applaud people who can use canon as a means of enhancing their ideas instead of treating it like an anchor around their neck (or worse, ignoring it entirely). Katara/Aang is canon - the writers/creators have done a really good job of showing the developing relationship between the characters in a believable fashion. True that currently Aang bears more for Katara than she does for him, but it's clear that the potential exists on her side as well (as demonstrated in a few episodes such as the Cave of Two Lovers and The Fortuneteller). As such, there is no way I would try to validate the pairing of Zuko/Aang by trying to argue against Kataang. When it boils right down to it, Kataang is my Avatar OTP. I must admit, I find that rather amusing. Usually I prefer slash (and femmeslash) to het. In fact, there are only three major het-pairings I'm fond of in the fandoms I've been in recently. Oddly enough, all three of them have been supported by canon - and two (Kataang being one of them) have been outstripped by a fanon pairing with far less basis in their respective shows. But Zuaang appeals to me in a way most shounen-ai ships don't, and that it has canonical basis has much to do with it. I will defend Zuaang to death. It pales to Kataang, and the few other canon ships have an edge over Zuaang, but it's a pretty strong ship. Not for romance, but it wins at homosociality. I didn't count a few of the other ships in my calculation about which ships had more basis in canon than Zukaang (notably those that don't involve either Aang or Katara). I do support many of them - for example Sokka/Yue and Sokka/Suki. I even have a certain fondness in my heart for Sokka/Toph. I just didn't feel they were too involved with the Zuko/Aang pairing, while Kataang (and to a lesser degree Zutara) are. I didn't really picture Zukaang as being a romantic ship - I'm not going to delude myself. Aang/Katara will be romantic - is romantic - but Zuko and Aang have a far different dynamic. And if Kataang is currently a mostly one-sided canon (which hopefully will change as the show progresses), then so is Zukaang. Kataang focuses a great deal on the fact that Aang has feelings for Zutara (and it's not simply a crush, I hate it when people dismiss it as such just because Aang is twelve). Zukaang (or Zuaang, whichever you prefer) is more focused on the feelings that Zuko has for Aang - the obsession that drives him and threatens to consume his existence. The canon supports that as far as Zuko is concerned - Aang gives Zuko hope. Aang is the only thing that seems to give Zuko hope. That may change as he matures, but it is still the case now. This post is becoming entirely too long, so I'll try to conclude it. I see Zukaang as a distinct possibility, but even when writing/dabbling in that possibility, I am very careful to take into account the presence of Kataang as well. Aang would not be happy with Zuko - at least not anytime soon and even then, that would be far outstripped by the feelings he has for Katara. In many regards the Zuko/Aang pairing favours the emotions of Zuko, while the Katara/Aang one is more balanced (and a great deal more healthy). I would not try to replace Kataang with Zukaang - and loving Kataang as I do, I am looking forward to when it becomes completely canon. After all, I don't need slash in canon - all I have to do is look as far as my imagination to supply me with that. Now I have the longest post on this thread. I really dont think that this thread has any merrit. Whether we like to admit it or not christianity holds a big chunk of the creativity nick comes up with. This is a kids show and even though there is no problem with a gay couple I don't think nickelodeon is going to promote it. Also I don't think thats the way the creators were thinking when creating avatar.
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Growly
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Post by Growly on Sept 13, 2006 21:00:09 GMT -5
Now I have the longest post on this thread. I really dont think that this thread has any merrit. Whether we like to admit it or not christianity holds a big chunk of the creativity nick comes up with. This is a kids show and even though there is no problem with a gay couple I don't think nickelodeon is going to promote it. Also I don't think thats the way the creators were thinking when creating avatar. It has merit for the fans. Besides, as has been already stated, we know that this pairing is not going to happen in the show. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy the possibilities.
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Post by Consonant*** on Sept 13, 2006 21:57:14 GMT -5
I don't think Zuko's obsessed with the Avatar so much as he is getting his fathers respect back
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