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Post by Revitalize Book on Mar 31, 2006 0:24:00 GMT -5
My God..you know I think this ship grew faster than Zutara and possibly Kataang!(It's not a bad thing, don't get me wrong, I'm just like WOW)
I don't think she'll come back...if she does and her only purpose is to be paired up with Zuko or get her pet back I'm going to be very dissapointed , because I don't like that idea, if she appears again for a reason other than that and her personality develops and what not and then if by chance, Soko happens then I don't mind.
Like if it was a reason the pirates had! Oh you know what would be interesting, if Azula ends up in her town to question people about Zuko and Iroh and holds up that poster and Song recognises them. That be a nice way to re-introduce her.
But I don't think she will, if she ends up finding Zuko and Iroh she could be a burden to them, and I don't see a reason for her to travel with Aang and co. I don't see what her purpose would be if she did return, I think she has already done what was intended for her and that was - as people have said - give Zuko a lesson.
I'm sorry if it seems as if I'm bashing this ship, I'm not, I just can't find a reason why she would be a continuing character. Sure she goes to get her pet back, but then what!?
If someone can come up with an exceptional reason as to why she would stay, then that's great. If she only stays as a contant lesson and a reminder of the cruelty of the firenation it would get boring and blah, besides Zuko will have other encounters where he is reminded of this fact (e.g.Sokka, Katara and Aang - they were all hurt) and Iroh and Zuko don't need a healer and they would have to constanty worry about her safety.
I'm not just saying this because I am a Zutarian, I have nothing against Song at all. It's not a ridiculous pairing because the fact that she knows how it feels to be physically hurt that badly by the firenation could strengthen the relationship. But will she understand the deep emotional pain. Sure her father is fighting in the war which would be very hard, but she knows her father loves her while Zuko trying to win it back. And how he was burnt by someone he obviously loves and cares about alot. I'm not saying Katara would either though btw. Even though she could 'imagine' how it feels, it won't come anything close to the real pain. This may be irrelevnt but I thought I'd bring it up anyway.
Also going back to what I said about the possibility of Azula going to her village (after all the earth kingdom is an obvious place to hide), would she trust him? I think her trust was hurt after he stole her pet (tsk tsk) but that he lied to her aswell. Yes he lied to her for good reason but you can't deny the fact that to trust a person again after they lied to you is extremely hard because you'll be wondering what is truth and what is false, so his trust will have to be earned. Telling his life story will not do, it'll only make her understand his reasons behind the lie, it takes alot to earn someones trust again, and would you fully believe the story or be a bit weary. It doesn't actually matter how she finds out though. And you can't eaxctly say "she didn't trust him", because not everyone would invite a person to their home without trusting them.
Although if she returns and she nags him about wanting to travel with him and Iroh and out of rage he tells her he's firenation or something, will she go so willingly after the firenation hurt her, took her father and most likely detroyed her village? Again it would be extremly hard to trust him. I do think it'll be sweet if she continues to want to travel with him =) Although the fact still remains that she got to know him before she found out.
Arg...I'm gonna get bashed for this for sure. Great points! *It looks like you really thought this out...XD* I wouldn't like it either if Song came back and was just for the purpose of romantic intrest. I don't think that will be the case though- not in Avatar where each character adds depth to the plot. Song did let Zuko see a stronger taste of the Fire Nations blasts, but that doesn't mean she couldn't show him even more, you know? We barely saw enough of her, so we aren't sure exactly of what she'll do if she journeys with Iroh or Zuko. You could apply this to Katara as well; why would she journey with Zuko even when she finds out everything about his past? Hopefully it is because she'll start to care for him. The same can be applied for Song. I love this in Avatar; the characters are willing to forgive, and Song definetly has that trait about her. Although I know it hurt to see 'Junior' steal from her- I think Song would be able to forgive him. I honestly think she would. We also haven't seen if she can fight at all, so we don't know if she would be a big burden to Zuko. Of course her leg is scarred, but that doesn't mean she can't hold her ground. It's a bit sad to think a female in the group would mean a liability, but -hopefully- Song would be strong enough, if she were to join, to banish the thought away! Hopefully Songs purpose wouldn't be to 'remind Zuko of the Fire Nations pain either', she'd have her own goal in the end I hope, that could help herself and him as well! And in the same situation, Zuko wouldn't be able to exactly understand Song, and her feelings of her father leaving. It works both ways. I know many people believe she won't come back *ouchies!* but I hope she does, and think she may. Avatar is sneaky that way; what is likely to not happen appears before your eyes! Sokos like a candy cane to me; hooks you end, sweet and delicious, but disappears before you can even remember the taste...*Sigh*. Edit: I know some have also said she was just there for Zuko to gain an animal for transportation, but if that were the case, why go so far to explain so much about her and so her personality? I know it was to get Zuko to see the Fire Nations bad-aimed rage, but that could have been a one-scene thing, couldn't it? Aw, who knows. Whether she comes back or not, I enjoyed Song, while she lasted or while she continues. ^_^
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seraphium
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Post by seraphium on Mar 31, 2006 0:29:16 GMT -5
Actually I just thought of it when I was writing it XD
I know most of it would apply to Katara, but I felt it was no need to include her since it's about Song and Zuko.
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Post by Miyuki The Tiger on Mar 31, 2006 0:33:15 GMT -5
^^ I think it's an issue for any girl walking into a relationship with Zuko. To have some sympathy for him and for some way to relate to his pain. Katara could deal with his anger issues by throwing it back at him and not backing down. Song could deal with them by ignoring it and keep pressing him to get the goodness out of him.
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Post by Revitalize Book on Mar 31, 2006 0:34:43 GMT -5
Seraphium: I can already tell I'll need to look out for your posts! XD *That was written very clear, though, for just writing it. XD*
Soko; ribboned laced Earth, flowing in the tea of Fire... Ah!-The scent; oh so delicious!
Dun dun DUN. XD *I love being apart of all ships- it is like...being in the ocean of cookies, smelling of fish! (Fish-slapped cookies?0_0)*
I guess the future of this ship depends on if Soko comes back or not...;_; *There would be so much comedy with them all though, if it happened! XD* I think a female with Zuko and Iroh would help them though- give them something juicY, you know? A new perspective to the mix!
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Post by babbs on Mar 31, 2006 0:39:07 GMT -5
I guess the future of this ship depends on if Soko comes back or not...;_; *There would be so much comedy with them all though, if it happened! XD* I think a female with Zuko and Iroh would help them though- give them something juic, you know? A new perspective to the mix! Darn right. The Sokoites are basically just hanging by a thread right now... for me, to be able to fully ship Soko I need to see at least 2 or more reappearances of Song. (I can't count one more appearance, since Aunt Wu presented herself twice and then she was gone). As for a female joining Zuko and Iroh, I highly doubt it'll be Song. However, it could be someone else, and I know Iroh won't mind, but Zuko would oppose any new party members. The two men are on the run, they need to be as secretive as possible and letting a stranger join the team would be no help.
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Post by Miyuki The Tiger on Mar 31, 2006 0:39:36 GMT -5
Iroh around another girl? *sees smiling Iroh rubbing his tummy with delight* He's a pimp, you need to keep him out her way.
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Post by Revitalize Book on Mar 31, 2006 0:46:37 GMT -5
I guess the future of this ship depends on if Soko comes back or not...;_; *There would be so much comedy with them all though, if it happened! XD* I think a female with Zuko and Iroh would help them though- give them something juic, you know? A new perspective to the mix! Darn right. The Sokoites are basically just hanging by a thread right now... for me, to be able to fully ship Soko I need to see at least 2 or more reappearances of Song. (I can't count one more appearance, since Aunt Wu presented herself twice and then she was gone). As for a female joining Zuko and Iroh, I highly doubt it'll be Song. However, it could be someone else, and I know Iroh won't mind, but Zuko would oppose any new party members. The two men are on the run, they need to be as secretive as possible and letting a stranger join the team would be no help. Oh boy. ;_; I actually hope it will be Song; she has something I think would fit well with Iroh and Zuko. Even if it is not in romance I can see friendship. But how would a new member-male or female- in their group abrubtly blow their cover? Wouldn't the member also hide with them? I think Song wouldn't be trouble, *or hopefully whoever joins them if someone does*. I have faith. *Does crazy hand movements* Er-like this faith, and that...!XD Soko: The ship on edge, living on the tip of a bottle glass
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Post by Miyuki The Tiger on Mar 31, 2006 0:51:12 GMT -5
I personally think Iroh and Zuko don't need a third member joining them. It's too much baggage. It's hard enough for just them two trying to keep under radar and now putting Song in danger wouldn't make sense. Anyone joining them would have to have a purpose. Either that or they were fugitives from the Fire Nation too.
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Post by babbs on Mar 31, 2006 0:53:40 GMT -5
Oh boy. ;_; I actually hope it will be Song; she has something I think would fit well with Iroh and Zuko. Even if it is not in romance I can see friendship. But how would a new member-male or female- in their group abrubtly blow their cover? Wouldn't the member also hide with them? I think Song wouldn't be trouble, *or hopefully whoever joins them if someone does*. I have faith. *Does crazy hand movements* Er-like this faith, and that...!XD All I'm saying is that it's too risky to take in anyone. We all know Zuko doesn't trust people very easily, and their load needs to be as light as possible. Personally I believe that any addition would be a burden, unless he/she has awesome qualities. Hehe. ;D The Song joining thing... all I can say is that I doubt Zuko would want to put her in danger, being a refugee and all. Maybe if she's persistent, but as for now, it's nah. Someone needs to turn that into a signature/fanart. xD
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Post by Revitalize Book on Mar 31, 2006 0:55:50 GMT -5
babbs: Ah, but we didn't see her in action at all, so we can't say if she can fight or not. *I say! A few minutes is not enough of anything- darn you Brian and Micheal...!* But I am glad you are general about 'someone joining Iroh and Zuko (I'm picky with that as well- the two are glorious by themself) , and it isn't just Song.... Hee hee! ^_^ Thank you; I made thee quote me self! ^_^ *I'll add it!*
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Post by Revitalize Book on Apr 2, 2006 1:26:44 GMT -5
BEAUTIFUL! That truly is...Soko!XD
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Post by babbs on Apr 2, 2006 2:03:49 GMT -5
BEAUTIFUL! That truly is...Soko!XD That, my friend, is the first Soko fanart EVER. ;D That's quite an honor for dear zimmay. x3
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gambitia
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Post by gambitia on Apr 2, 2006 2:08:01 GMT -5
*SPOILERAGE FOR "RETURN TO OMASHU"*
Song's not in the episode. But then, neither is Zuko. So...we get to wait another three weeks to find out if she's coming back or not! *headdesk*
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Post by babbs on Apr 2, 2006 2:13:37 GMT -5
^ Haha, I've seen you rant about that in the spoiler thread. ;D
Ehh... I don't think we'll be seeing Song in a long time... Or maybe when Azula raids her village or something (hopefully soon). And yennoe what? Some people are saying Soko is dead now that Mei/Mai x Zuko has been established. Pfffftttttt. xD
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Post by gambitia on Apr 2, 2006 2:24:23 GMT -5
Pfft indeed. We have yet to see any sort of interaction between Zuko and Mai.
We all saw the interaction between Zuko and Song *fangirl squee* ;D
I hate how people were ranting about Song being a mary-sue, and yet no one yet thinks Mai is a sue. If Song is a sue, then Mai is a sue.
Let's list Mai's assets: Beautiful Deadly Angsty
We have a dark-sue!
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