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Post by kataralovesaang on Jun 22, 2006 6:22:09 GMT -5
I don't like it when Z/K shippers use the "Aang's fortune said no love life." theroy. Doesn't anyone remember the end of that episode, when Aunt Wu told Aang that "Just how you shaped the clouds, you can shape your future." Mean that in that episode, Katara might not like him that way, but if he plays his cards right, she will in the near future.
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Post by Amira on Jun 22, 2006 8:58:04 GMT -5
I'll have to comment to the really long post. Good job in making it all organized. I like that. For now, to the doctor's I go!
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Post by Mashnii on Jun 22, 2006 11:55:20 GMT -5
See ya!
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Post by almighty on Jun 22, 2006 12:02:06 GMT -5
Wow...almighty! Welcome back! Good to see you! Great paragragh. I just have a few things to add... *exalts* XP I've never really been gone... just haven't really posted. XD But thanks for the welcome back anyway. O.O Nice addition. It was pretty late when I posted so I may have forgotten many things. XD *exalts*
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Post by Mashnii on Jun 22, 2006 12:03:22 GMT -5
No, you nailed. ;D
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Post by silverdreams on Jun 22, 2006 12:07:55 GMT -5
Ok, i found most of your (long) statement true, but this is one of the points that makes me not like zutarians. There is NOTHING wrong with an older girl and a younger guy being together. Its the SAME age difference as Zutara.... what? JUST because the guy is younger? please... that is the worst escuse that other zutarians have ever been came up with.
I don't bash zutara, infact its my second favorite pairing. Its just that when people bash kataang for stupid reasons (like age) for their ship, its annoying. I don't bash zutara, they are a beautiful pairing and are cute together, truely.... I bash teh zutarians, because they tend to always bring up the age difference things.... age difference by katara being older than aang is what makes them truely unique.
another reason for not liking zutarians... 95% of them like tophaang. That truely is my LEAST favorite pairing. Now, if they were each opposite genders (aang being a girl, toph being a boy), then I would like the pairing a lot better. Idk why, I just would. And I never liked toph, either... I mean.... shes.... okkkkk....... but, I don't like her 'doesnt think before she acts' personality. And even more worse than her is how she treats aang. Aang is all sweet and its just hard to watch someone yell so harshly at someone that sweet. As for Maiko and Soko... ther ok. I thought Maiko was the most adorable dang thing in this planet after zuko alone, but then not much really happened with them. meh.
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Post by Mashnii on Jun 22, 2006 12:12:24 GMT -5
Ok, i found most of your (long) statement true, but this is one of the points that makes me not like zutarians. There is NOTHING wrong with an older girl and a younger guy being together. Its the SAME age difference as Zutara.... what? JUST because the guy is younger? please... that is the worst escuse that other zutarians have ever been came up with. I don't bash zutara, infact its my second favorite pairing. Its just that when people bash kataang for stupid reasons (like age) for their ship, its annoying. I don't bash zutara, they are a beautiful pairing and are cute together, truely.... I bash teh zutarians, because they tend to always bring up the age difference things.... age difference by katara being older than aang is what makes them truely unique. another reason for not liking zutarians... 95% of them like tophaang. That truely is my LEAST favorite pairing. Now, if they were each opposite genders (aang being a girl, toph being a boy), then I would like the pairing a lot better. Idk why, I just would. And I never liked toph, either... I mean.... shes.... okkkkk....... but, I don't like her 'doesnt think before she acts' personality. And even more worse than her is how she treats aang. Aang is all sweet and its just hard to watch someone yell so harshly at someone that sweet. As for Maiko and Soko... ther ok. I thought Maiko was the most adorable dang thing in this planet after zuko alone, but then not much really happened with them. meh. Good post! I just need to add a few things... Also, it's not exactly bland. Believe it or not, Katara and Aang's romance could get very, very deep and dark. You may not think so, but considering the entire story line, character developement, and ect., it's just as likely as it being pure fluff. Not ALL kataang shippers bash Zutara. In fact, most are very respectful towards it. Besides: some Zutarians bash Kataang; that's the way it is. So before you state that Kataangians bash your ship, remember the Zutarians who do the same to us. Some just do that, and we don't use the fact that some (SOME!!!) Zutarians bash us as evidence for our ship.
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Post by femaleairbender on Jun 22, 2006 13:01:31 GMT -5
Kataang is my OTP but I also like Soko. Maiko, like Zutara and Tong, just isn't my cup of tea.
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Post by lunachaos on Jun 22, 2006 13:43:09 GMT -5
Well thank you to those that welcomed me. I'm glad you weren't mad about that huge post Ok...and now I shall defend Zutara: Yes. I know that. Most people are very respectful on both sides, and I have friends on both sides. But I don't think that we us you bashing for evidence. That whole stupid SPAR thing was long ago, but it was anooying. People were just mentioning it because it was the Katangs who started that type of thing, not the Zutarists. Actually they are. What do you expect Zuko to do in that situation? Say, "Oh yes, Katara, I would love you to help." No. He has an enormous ego and still has that pride. He won't let anyone help him, especially his enemy. Even if it means Iroh's life. Personality wise they're pretty much a like. Element wise they're opposties. They're not just the opposties attract thing because that's just their elements. They have a lot in common actually. And why don't they exhibit those traits? And what, may I ask, are those specific traits? Fire and water do balance each other out. But what you said is alos true. If they are used against each other, then they will consume and destroy each other. I know that...but I was pointing out that they are aware of the fandom behind the show. Interesting...So if we know that Katang isn't a curve ball, and you say Zutara isn't either, then what is? Certainly not Maiko or Soko. I think that we've already wheedled out the curve ball, or they have something truly incredible in the works. Maybe it is Zutara, but we don't think so because they said "expect the unepxected" and what about the people who don't participate in all this debating and fanfiction? They certainly don't expect Zutara. So that ones still in the air. You didn't get the gist of my age point. I know that Katang and Zutara have the same age difference, but I was trying to point out that the Katang is younger than Zutara. I really don't care who's older in the relationship, girl or guy, whatever. But something happening between Aang and Katara would be very minute since they're still very young. Now Zutara is pretty young, but they're a little bit closer to the marrying age in their time. Well I've always wanted to know. If they're not together or anything, how are they going to balance each other out? Toph and Aang balance each other out, and they're friends. Something can happen between them. Their elements are not restraining them. No, you don't know that. People just atomatically assume that their relationship would be all passionate and hot (which I would like to a certain extent) but what if it's not? And if it is, who says it'll be that way the whole time? They'll need to slow down every once in a while. And I really don't think it'd be short lived. No. Uh...Katara is basically taking care of three people already. Aang, Sokka, and Toph all lean on her in a certain way. With Aang she'd have to support him somwhat, as well as if she was with Zuko. You're making Katara to look as if she can handle anything. She needs support once in a while. If she can't lean on Aang or Zuko then she can't have either. Ah. Well now as we've seen anything can happen, so I really don't know how to interprit (sp?) that anymore. What I've noticed is that a lot of Zutarians like Tong and and the Katangs don't. Tong is our alternate. We don't hate Aang. And we're not just pairing him off so Katara can be with Zuko. We like the pairing like you like Katang. Ok I'm done for now. And I hope this long post didn't irritate you. Just had to respond to them all! [glow=red,2,300]LunaChaos[/glow]
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Post by silverdreams on Jun 22, 2006 14:12:53 GMT -5
I don't think thats the reason... and it was it would be a stupid reason. I like zutara because of the mysterious-ness, forbidden attraction that they have... and the fact that they have grown from hating each other to actually remotley care about one another. (maybe not in a loving way yet, but still)... their relationship has evolved. But Kataang is almost the same thing, only their relationship is not forbidden and the girl is older. The fact that the girl is older gives me more respect for kataang because of how little tv shows do that.
Ok, thats a better point to make. Its just that usually when people mention age difference its usually about how the guy should be older and that sorta gets me angry since well, it doesn't matter if the guy is older or younger.
well, fire and water do phisically balance each other out. Air and Earth is a different kind of opposite. Put em together and nothing happens. Just look outside... earth... air.... you can't go too deep with that. Toph and Aang aren't exactly good understanding comforting friends... infact they are barley friends at all. Toph always yells at aang even tho aang is not the kind to be yelled at since hes so sweet. Its like yelling at song... who could possibly be that mean to yell at her? Katara is aang's BEST friend... they go over and beyond the normal levels of friendship.
Well, it certainly seems like people either just want tong to happen so zutara will, just dont like katara, or just never want the guy to be younger in the relationship (<<grrr to these people). Now, I don't have any problem with multi-shipping. Toph and Aang have nothing in common and pretty much hate each other too much... toph never thinks before she acts and that will NEVER do good in any type of relationship. Toph is just way too mean to aang. She doesn't admire him the way katara does.
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Post by lunachaos on Jun 22, 2006 14:25:05 GMT -5
Their friendship is different than Aang and Katara,yes, but they are friends. Buring the episode "The Blind Bandit" we saw what kind of person Toph was. She was one of those tough, tom-boy girls. She's different than Katara, and acts different than Katara. So their relatioships with Aang will be different, and I think Toph will end up toughening him up. Everyone acts different around people they like. Some act cool and nonchalant like aang around Katara (most of the time) and then Toph (if she even does like him) yells and bosses him around.
Not true, not true. They don't hate each other either. And they do have things in common. And as for Toph being mean to Aang....I don't think she flly understands him yet like Katara does. She has a different method of teaching he needs to adapt to. Yes, Toph is different, but I think she's going to arise something different in Aang.
woohoo! a shorter post!
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Post by daydream11 on Jun 22, 2006 14:43:59 GMT -5
You did. I can't even say anything *for now* because you've said it all. *exaltation*
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Post by silverdreams on Jun 22, 2006 15:10:32 GMT -5
Friends, but not good friends. Katara and aang are best friends. Despite a personality, a true friend truely understand their friend and truley cares about said friend, hence the term, 'true friend'. And I don't want toph to toughen aang up. I don't want ANYBODY changing him, because he has the perfect personality and character for who he is. Its one thing if someone is trying to change HER into a better character (like iroh tried to do), but aang has a good character and doesn't need to be anything like toph. Then I'll lose my respect for him. Now toph, needs to learn a thing or two. Slightly from iroh, yes. I think maybe working out her differences with SOKKA would be a huge help.
If someone yelled at me all the time and bossed me around I'd assume they hated me, or was my sister. Which is kinda what they have, a real sisterly-brotherly relationship. Some people think that of kataang but that isn't true... because neither of them boss each other around. Toph doesn't understand him, true. Katara has been with him for 10000x longer so obviously, toph can't possibly even attempt to learn as much about him as katara does, and considering her progress with anything is unbelievably slow. But the thing is... I don't WANT toph to arise anything different in aang. Whats wrong with the way he is? As said, if he becomes anything like toph I'll lose my respect for him. He didn't lose his personality from waterbending, or firebending.... firebending simply taught him to take his work seriously.... but if didn't change his personality. And Im hoping that earth doesn't make him any different neither.
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Post by Amira on Jun 22, 2006 15:23:03 GMT -5
After reading all of the posts I really can't add anything. Everyone pretty much covered what I was going to say. I do agree that if you are going to claim that Kat/Aang is cliche, then you have to say the same for Zutara. And I do disagree with the whole age being a factor thing. Age means nothing. Especially for these characters. They have far too many burdens on them right now and Katara I don't see marrying at 16 as is tradition because Katara has broken so many traditions already.
Aunt Wu said that Aang could shape his own destiny and that does not rule out Kat/Aang.
And Katara and Aang are already on the road to relationship. They already have a strong bond to each other, they have both flirted with the idea of physical intimacy (the kiss), they do get on each other's nerves from time to time, they are extremely supportive of one another.
Katara is Aang's shoulder to lean on and he is hers. It is mutually supportive and I don't see her having that with Zuko.
The necklace scene was not Zuko being seductive. He was threatening and intimidating. It was just in a voice that has so far done nothing except to make fan girls drool.
Tong/Taang - bleh. That is the only ship I will probably say bleh about. There is nothing that coould even be construed to suggest that they would even be a good match. In fact, I see the same lack of support, the same constant fighting, the same damage to emotions, the same one-sidedness (one partner getting all the benefits) that I see with Zutara.
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Post by daydream11 on Jun 22, 2006 15:25:20 GMT -5
Can I add on to this?
I agree with you here. It seems that Toph wants to change Aang instead of just adding on to his personality. I agree that to some extent that he needs to think likean earthbender, but IMO, Toph wants to completely change him. All Aang needs is to bring out the earthbender-qualities in him which he already has; he just needs to be more obvious about it.
I agree with you here. Just because they haven't known each other for long and have two very different personalities doesn't mean that she should treat him the way she doesn't. And I think that even though thier relationship will be different from the one he has with Katara, she should at least attempt to understand him better. I've said this so many times before: if Aang has to think like an earthbender than Toph needs to think like an airbender because she's teaching one. Maybe then she will understnad him a bit more.
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