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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Sept 11, 2006 18:30:06 GMT -5
Lol...I wouldn't know which to choose! SD...*ponders*
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 18:31:21 GMT -5
@ana (Who is bound to show up) I would welcome some discussion on Zuko/Katara vs Zuko/Aang. I think Zukaang is a very neglected pairing, but one with wealth of evidence that would be fun to explore. -------___________--------- Is a kids show.....................Only that...... |
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Post by Growly on Sept 11, 2006 18:32:07 GMT -5
@ana (Who is bound to show up) I would welcome some discussion on Zuko/Katara vs Zuko/Aang. I think Zukaang is a very neglected pairing, but one with wealth of evidence that would be fun to explore. I would love some Zuko/Katara vs. Zuko/Aang discussion. Like you said, Zuko/Aang is very neglected but the evidence that it has would be fun to explore and it would also be fun to see how it stands against Zuko/Katara. ..You know, I may just have to make that thread now. I'll be there if you do! @rocio - So is Lilo and Stitch, but there's still gay couple on the show. |
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Post by trustno1 on Sept 11, 2006 18:32:32 GMT -5
Lol, didn't got that there is a new warroom, because I was already writing a post for the old one, but I just repost it^^: Well, the discussion was pretty good, I didn't like the end of the argumenation chain between me and Amira: Continuing this discussion with you is futile. Because I think I was quite reasonable and fear that Amira didn't got the idea of my arguments, because of my inferior english knowledge.  Still his point of Zuko supporting the war is a false one, the creators very obviously made Zuko more a second protagonist, then an antagonist. The parallel storylines of both of them ("The Storm" being the most obvious one of these moments) and Zukos reaction on Songs wounds were very straight forward, which is the interesting thing about Zuko. He himself acted like a villian in the fist couple of episodes, but after we knew his true motives it just comes out that the circumstances made them "enemies" and "odd heroes for eachother" to begin with. Zuko needs the Avatar to have hope and needs to defend him from the FN to capture him for the FN on his own, which is very ironic, because it technicaly makes Zuko Aangs guardian.  No, I distance myself when the conversation is going nowhere and was backing away diplomatically. It was going nowhere because I don't see what you see and quite frankly I think you are taking things and trying to make them fit your defense of Zutara without accepting that Zutara, like all ships, has it's flaws and the characters themselves are flawed and many of them are multi-layered messes with deep issues and things aren't as cut and dry as we'd like them to be. Avatar's characters and relationships are what the creators want them to be, not what we as fans want them to be. I already posted something to this on the old warroom. In short: I respect your opinion although I see you trying to make thinks fit into your defense against Zutara. And won't continue the discussion anymore. It was fun anyway.^^ |
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 18:33:16 GMT -5
Lol, didn't got that there is a new warroom, because I was already writing a post for the old one, but I just repost it^^: Well, the discussion was pretty good, I didn't like the end of the argumenation chain between me and Amira: Continuing this discussion with you is futile. Because I think I was quite reasonable and fear that Amira didn't got the idea of my arguments, because of my inferior english knowledge. Still his point of Zuko supporting the war is a false one, the creators very obviously made Zuko more a second protagonist, then an antagonist. The parallel storylines of both of them ("The Storm" being the most obvious one of these moments) and Zukos reaction on Songs wounds were very straight forward, which is the interesting thing about Zuko. He himself acted like a villian in the fist couple of episodes, but after we knew his true motives it just comes out that the circumstances made them "enemies" and "odd heroes for eachother" to begin with. Zuko needs the Avatar to have hope and needs to defend him from the FN to capture him for the FN on his own, which is very ironic, because it technicaly makes Zuko Aangs guardian. No, I distance myself when the conversation is going nowhere and was backing away diplomatically. It has nothing to do with language issues. It was going nowhere because I don't see what you see and quite frankly I think you are taking things and trying to make them fit your defense of Zutara without accepting that Zutara, like all ships, has it's flaws and the characters themselves are flawed and many of them are multi-layered messes with deep issues and things aren't as cut and dry as we'd like them to be. Avatar's characters and relationships are what the creators want them to be, not what we as fans want them to be. I analyze from the professional perspective.. It is what the teachers teach to me in the university!! |
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 18:33:52 GMT -5
I would love some Zuko/Katara vs. Zuko/Aang discussion. Like you said, Zuko/Aang is very neglected but the evidence that it has would be fun to explore and it would also be fun to see how it stands against Zuko/Katara. ..You know, I may just have to make that thread now. I'll be there if you do! @rocio - So is Lilo and Stitch, but there's still gay couple on the show. And they made fun of them............. |
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 18:35:44 GMT -5
I made something really simple . But I like it!  Uopsssssssssss..I post everything followed..Pardon |
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Post by Growly on Sept 11, 2006 18:36:51 GMT -5
I'll be there if you do! @rocio - So is Lilo and Stitch, but there's still gay couple on the show. And they made fun of them............. As someone with many gay friends I can safely say that the humour was not mean. As many fans know, it's a true fan who can find humour in poking fun at themselves and their fandom. Besides, the overall message was one of acceptance. "We love our o'hana just the way they are" |
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Post by trustno1 on Sept 11, 2006 18:39:19 GMT -5
I made something really simple . But I like it! Uopsssssssssss..I post everything followed..Pardon Pretty good. Well I'm off now.^^ |
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 18:40:32 GMT -5
And they made fun of them............. As someone with many gay friends I can safely say that the humour was not mean. As many fans know, it's a true fan who can find humour in poking fun at themselves and their fandom. Besides, the overall message was one of acceptance. "We love our o'hana just the way they are" But ONLY like a friend!!! XD In fact I said that from the point of view that he gay people always is taken like object of laughter in shows. Something very assumed by the cinema. Although they try to want to show it like something serious ..All make fun of them......... chau, Tru!!!! |
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Sept 11, 2006 18:44:53 GMT -5
Ciao, trustno.
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Post by Growly on Sept 11, 2006 18:47:21 GMT -5
Just because most people are uncomfortable with homosexuality or poke fun at it, doesn't invalidate it. As fans we have the right to interpret the actions of the characters in any way we like - or else Zutara as a pairing would not exist since there is not much direct evidence of it. Therefore fans of Zukaang cannot be denied the right that Zutara fans fall back on so much. It would be unfair and hypocritical to assume that people cannot have that opinion merely because it would involve the topic of homosexuality.
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Post by Pixar on Sept 11, 2006 18:49:21 GMT -5
The Zutara list of d00m...WEWT! Google -Amusment Parks -Sloganizer.net -Steam -The Natural Order -Chocolate -The Panthers -Blue -Purple -Red -Waterparks at Wisconsin Dells -Dorney Park -Iroh -Jun -Aunt Wu -American Dragon! -Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol -Brighter than Sunshine by Aqualung -Collide by Howie Day -Broken by Seether and Amy Lee -Phantom of the Opera -Pride and Predjudice -Pepsi -Rival School Colors -Rose of the Prophet -Beauty and the Beast -Chemical React by Ally&Aj -Omashu! -Yin and Yang -Miranda and the Warrior -Oma and Shu!! -Fanfiction!! -Roku -Jeong Jeong -Legend of the Dragon -Mulan -Sunset!! -Sunrise -Fix You by Coldplay -The Solar System -Sun and the Moon -(I Hate)Everything About You by Three Days Grace -The Voting System -3D Glasses -Betta/Siamese Fighting Fish. -Microsoft (c) symbol -Superman -The American Flag -The Chigaco Cubs -Veins -Legend of Basara -The 2006 Winter Olympics Mascots -Sailor Moon -ICEEs -The Flag of South Korea -PB&J -Spiderman -Jack/Elizabeth (POTC) -Robin(Red X)/Starfire -Amiraselizabeth's Empresses of Fire and Ice Official Unofficial Zutara Stuff- Mascot- A blue and red Betta fish (name TBA) Song/Anthem- "Chasing Cars" by Snow Patrol Food- Chocolate! Animal- Panther Movie- Beauty and the Beast Book- Pride and Prejudice Juice- Grape Juice Soda- Pepsi Toy- LEGO Zuko's Ship Baseball Team- Boston, Red Sox Gems: Sapphire, Ruby, Amethyst You're forgetting that their dance is the Tango. =) |
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 18:53:19 GMT -5
Just because most people are uncomfortable with homosexuality or poke fun at it, doesn't invalidate it. As fans we have the right to interpret the actions of the characters in any way we like - or else Zutara as a pairing would not exist since there is not much direct evidence of it. Therefore fans of Zukaang cannot be denied the right that Zutara fans fall back on so much. It would be unfair and hypocritical to assume that people cannot have that opinion merely because it would involve the topic of homosexuality. I am a very strict person!XD The things will become as the Law of the Nature orders! XD |
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Post by rocio on Sept 11, 2006 18:54:22 GMT -5
DON'T FORGET THE TANGO!!! ;D
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