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Post by Alouncara on Oct 10, 2007 9:41:56 GMT -5
I agree with Almighty Bumi is better RIGHT NOW but Toph like Azula has the potential tobecome beter than the current master
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Firework
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Post by Firework on Oct 10, 2007 23:39:04 GMT -5
Toph could win because she can adapt to new obstacles whereas Bumi (I think) uses all of his past experience to win. Like said in Narutoi/i], "it's only natural for the new generation to surpass the old" (or something like that). Bumi isn't some old geezer who refuses to accept fate but he is 112 years old and Toph is a 12 year old girl whose entire being has adapted to her handicap to make her strong enough to single handedly and without breaking a sweat, defeat the Earth Rumble champions. Not too mention Toph has a unique (perhaps) one of a kind style of fighting she uses in her bending. That would throw Bumi for a spin.
Maybe Bumi could beat Toph in the first few minutes of a fight or even defeat her for a few rounds, but like I said before, Toph's body enhanced all other senses to make up for her blindness. Even when locked in the metal box she still found a way out despite the belief that metal could not be bended.
So I say Toph.
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Karas
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Post by Karas on Oct 11, 2007 8:38:41 GMT -5
Toph has so far been shown to be capable of reading and predicting the moves of every earthbender she's met I fail to see why Bumi should be an exception to this. Considering she had never fought any Dai Lee prior to the episode in which she fought them she clearly picks up the attack patterns of her adversaries rather quickly. Anyone suggesting Bumi is so unpredictable as to baffle Toph's predictive abilities obviousley must have been watching a differant King of Omashu to the one I watched. As for facebending Bumi actually bent with his neck and possibly his nose. Toph bent her mudmask in ToBSS with her face but I suppose mud isn't really comparable to earth. The Library was much bigger than the balcony and had greater forces acting to prevent it being bent.
Toph's metalbendinding has already been mentioned. Anyone suggesting Bumi wins based on only what we've seen is the one displaying their bias not the other way round.
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Post by bomeraangsquad on Oct 11, 2007 15:06:28 GMT -5
Toph has amazing ability, but Bumi understands the metaphysical sence of bending more than Toph (giving Aang the advice to find Toph and his challenges). I truly don'tknow who I like more in a fight.
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Post by wydawg on Oct 11, 2007 17:05:19 GMT -5
Ok If there was a fight between Toph and Bumi right now Bumi would win. As we all know Toph sees through earthbending. If Toph went up Bumi there would be a few things thrown at Bumi but after a few attacks Bumi would be able to see that she is blind and sees through earthbending. Then he would just levitate up using earthbending and Toph wouldn't be able to see. Then Bumi would attack her in this way so she wouldn't be able to see him.
But if Toph developed a way to see all rocks and earth then she would be better. Also Bumi has 100 years experience. But Toph can bend metal. This would be good only if they were fighting somewhere in the fire nation or somewhere else which had metal around. There are not much places because most of the civilisations are not this advanced.
If Toph and Bumi worked together they would beat almost anyone except an airbender. I think these two will do most of the fighting in the invasion on the day of the black sun.
Im done now, whoa that took a lot out of me.
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Post by West on Oct 11, 2007 18:15:53 GMT -5
Toph is probably stronger than Bumi. bumi can probably use his wit better than Toph, but Toph can bend metal!!! =D
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Post by prowlowl on Oct 11, 2007 18:50:57 GMT -5
I'd say they are equally matched at the moment, but Toph has much, much more potential, so at Bumi's age she'll be redefining Avatar State Earthbending. I mean, sure, he's good and everything.... but he's at least 100. And Toph is blind and 12. And she can Metalbend.
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Post by Jade Celeste on Oct 12, 2007 10:15:49 GMT -5
its a tie we really don't know what bumi is capable of and toph well she is the worlds greatest earthbender she is right from the mole things they both are blind and that is helpful oh so confusing
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Post by conspiracytheorist on Oct 12, 2007 12:54:48 GMT -5
I hesitate to rank Toph above Bumi, but until I see Bumi metalbend, I give it to Toph. The level of understanding and awareness it takes for Toph to metalband must be ridiculously high for someone her age. Imagine Toph at 112.
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Post by dialee16 on Oct 13, 2007 9:28:26 GMT -5
Your all a bunch of Toph fanatics, Bumi would kick her butt.
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Karas
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Post by Karas on Oct 15, 2007 3:44:26 GMT -5
I think it is you who is a Bumi fanatic. Toph has been attacked by airborne rocks before, earthbending is basically picking up rocks and throwing them but let's assume you were suggesting something else. If Bumi levitates above the ground the only earth he'll be able to bend is the earth he's standing on and he'll run out of that soon enough if Toph merely shields herself and waits out his barrage. Either way you assume will be sitting there doing nothing while Bumi rips out this piece of earth. She's clearly going to attack him as soon as she figures out what he's doing.
Bumi's best hope os to figure out her inability to see clearly on sand and then turn all the ground to sand but I fail to see how he'll learn of it unless they're already fighting on sand.
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Post by danj826 on Oct 15, 2007 12:55:01 GMT -5
id say bumi at the moment
thinks outside the box, is amazing earthbender, he was obviously going easy on anng, has the experience, understands all the jins, has mastered neutral jin he is waiting,
also i reckon he can metal bend as when he was in the box, he could make it move, and he also said the reason why he was still in it, is because he was waiting, surely that means he can get out anytime
also he can also use his mind alone, and also while toph cant see, bumi can, not sure if thats advantage or disadvantage, certainly is in some aspect
i expect also bumi will teach toph some moves in future, as her only teacher was badgermoles
....also reckon he's a member of the white lotus society for some reason
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Post by danj826 on Oct 15, 2007 12:57:49 GMT -5
...reason why i think he was going easy on anng, they're friends, and although he said earthbenders wait and listen, he didnt do that when fighting anng, he was all about offense then
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Karas
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Post by Karas on Oct 15, 2007 13:50:56 GMT -5
Arguing that a character is stronger on the basis that they may have been holding back isn't exactly the best technique. Unless it's stated by the character or the shows creators that this was the case then what you saw is what you get. As for the cage he could just as easily be moving it by bending all the earth surrounding it than by bending the actual cage itself.
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Post by element. on Oct 15, 2007 14:30:22 GMT -5
i said i dont know. toph is only great because she can bend metal. but if she couldnt, Bumi would be #1. Bumi has been training with earthebdning for many years. and toph is only like 12. so if i had to choose, i would pick bumi
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