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Jin
Oct 7, 2006 23:31:40 GMT -5
Post by Brightfire18 on Oct 7, 2006 23:31:40 GMT -5
*also randomly comes into the conversation* I don't get the whole Zuko was out-of-character thing. We've never seen Zuko on a date with a girl (or interact with a girl socially). In fact, we never see Zuko be social at all. I think that's the point they were trying to make (I mean, the whole "What do you like to do for fun?" "Nothing." line was absolutely Zuko XD); the whole point that Zuko may be this fierce firebender but is freaked around a girl. Why would Zuko take such a risk witht the fire thing? Simple. Being a teenager, and having many friends of my age, I've had somewhat of an empiphany: teenagers are idiots when it comes to the opposite sex. It's true. Something we seem to forget is that behind Zuko's bad past and almost-obsessive drive, he is still a teenager (with hormones and everything). Cut him some slack. Dude, don't u know what his life is like... Being hunted by his own sister, burnt by his own father, left by his own mother...Also he is a fugitive of the fire nation, and an enemy of the earth kingdom... That's not a road u would want to drag ur girlfirend alog... Then he shouldn't have been leading her on. And if he didn't want her to know he's FN, then why'd he do the lantern thing? The Dai Lee could've seen him, or someone else could have seen it and reported it to the Dai Lee. And what if SHE saw? What would she think? And plus I just plain don't like Jin. And it annoyed me with the fact that Zuko had known her for less than a day and kissed her on the first date. Gosh, I can see all the Mary-Sues-dating-Zuko fanfics now... T_T Before, it wouldn't be canon, but now when someone goes "WTF Zuko wouldn't like her right away", they'd say "What about ToBSS, huh?" I don't think the creators knew how angry they made some people with that little tale... I think when he kissed her, he wasn't thinking. That's probably why he pulled away so fast. I do think he liked her (or at least was attracted to her), but he is a little withdrawn. He even said he didn't want to make a life in Ba Sing Sei, so the fact that he might be attarcted to this chick freaks him out. Not to be rude, but why would the writers care about who they ticked off? You can't please everyone, and there will always be fans that don't like certain aspects. Some things writers just have to do (for story purposes, character development, etc), and if you try too much to please all of the fans, you're just going to go astray from your original ideas. *sorry, long-ish post XP*
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kitsune
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Jin
Oct 8, 2006 10:27:05 GMT -5
Post by kitsune on Oct 8, 2006 10:27:05 GMT -5
And I completely agree with kitsune, Zuko was SO FREAKING OUT-OF-CHARACTER. I liked Jin, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Zuko's Tale was exactly like some lame Mary-Sue fanfiction. I despise Mary-Sues fanfics... T_T THANK YOU! Someone who agrees! ^__^ Being a teenager, and having many friends of my age, I've had somewhat of an empiphany: teenagers are idiots when it comes to the opposite sex. Not to be rude, but why would the writers care about who they ticked off? You can't please everyone, and there will always be fans that don't like certain aspects. Some things writers just have to do (for story purposes, character development, etc), and if you try too much to please all of the fans, you're just going to go astray from your original ideas. Lol, that's true. You pose a good arguement, brightfire. *clap clap* ;D But still, I just don't like Jin. She was there for character development and nothing else.
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Jin
Oct 8, 2006 10:42:42 GMT -5
Post by trustno1 on Oct 8, 2006 10:42:42 GMT -5
And I completely agree with kitsune, Zuko was SO FREAKING OUT-OF-CHARACTER. I liked Jin, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Zuko's Tale was exactly like some lame Mary-Sue fanfiction. I despise Mary-Sues fanfics... T_T THANK YOU! Someone who agrees! ^__^ I don't think that Zuko behaved OOC at all. It's just that most people want to see more in the date then it was. Zuko felt clearly unconfortable during almost the whole date. He was forced into the date (by Iroh) and was constantly asked questions or dragged in some places by Jin ("she's not my girlfriend" makes it quite obviouse). When they were at the fountain Zuko felt sorry for Jin and showed great kindness by risking to blow his cover (nothing we already haven't seen in "Zuko Alone"). He was then surpriced by the kiss of Jin and even more, that he liked it, but broke it up after realizing that he can't befriend with anyone in BSS, because it would be in his "way" (regain his right for the throne/revenge on Azula and so on) and because he is FN (maybe his reaction was also based on his experience in "Zuko Alone"). As a result, we got a Zuko who appearently enjoyed dating and being around with people his age, who rediscovered his teenager self. There was no love, romance or whatever people want to see in it and Jin was there for the sole purpose to further his development.
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Jin
Oct 8, 2006 11:27:20 GMT -5
Post by gaararocks on Oct 8, 2006 11:27:20 GMT -5
^ If you haven't noticed Zuko liked Jin and of course it was for character development but that doesn't mean just because you are for Zutara you don't say the whole purpose of this episode was to increase the chances of Zutara. If anything it was for Zuko to have his first Cannon ship and to make a friend who will hopefully appear again.
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trustno1
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Jin
Oct 8, 2006 12:05:13 GMT -5
Post by trustno1 on Oct 8, 2006 12:05:13 GMT -5
^ If you haven't noticed Zuko liked Jin and of course it was for character development but that doesn't mean just because you are for Zutara you don't say the whole purpose of this episode was to increase the chances of Zutara. If anything it was for Zuko to have his first Cannon ship and to make a friend who will hopefully appear again. Geez, I just wanted to point out that it wasn't OOC for Zuko to behave like he has and that the date itself wasn't mary sueish, because it wasn't really ment to develop a real romantic relationship. I don't doubt that Zuko liked his date, I even pointed out that he was surpriced himself that he liked it afterwards. And it isn't me being Zutarian, that I don't see Jin reappear in the show, but the lag of any character background or personality what so ever. The episode itself was ment as a filler and served for some characters as a development episode (Toph/Zuko/Iroh). That's why I don't think she will come back. So don't assume right away, that I don't want her to reapper just because I'm Zutarian.
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Jin
Oct 8, 2006 14:29:09 GMT -5
Post by FireBend on Oct 8, 2006 14:29:09 GMT -5
We can never know, though... I also think she will come back...
P.S. Pay no attention to my sig... ;D
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Jin
Oct 8, 2006 20:46:34 GMT -5
Post by holadraco1234 on Oct 8, 2006 20:46:34 GMT -5
There is a chance that Jin will come back wether you like it or not Zujin has been the most cannoned Zuko ship and all of Sokka's love interests appeared in a couple of episodes so there should be no different with Jin.
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Jin
Oct 9, 2006 4:39:53 GMT -5
Post by FireBend on Oct 9, 2006 4:39:53 GMT -5
There is a chance that Jin will come back wether you like it or not Zujin has been the most cannoned Zuko ship and all of Sokka's love interests appeared in a couple of episodes so there should be no different with Jin. Nicely said dude ;D
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Jin
Oct 9, 2006 10:34:33 GMT -5
Post by rocio on Oct 9, 2006 10:34:33 GMT -5
I would like to see Jin again. But considering its level of participation, depth of design and appearance....... Perhaps only for one morechapter and nothing else. Later, the chapters come coming...........I don't think...........For the final fiht and all that stuff............. ( I don't want write spoilers)
But the final seemed to me had a end very closed with Zuko running away and leaving Jin in the middle of the night, tottaly alone.... ..
Then I do not believe that she reappears. Since everything was a filling chapter.
But it would be pretty to return to see her. Although.--- At least does not complete the characteristics for a new appearance....like for more than two chapters. Although she already did everything what her personage was destined to do...........
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Jin
Oct 9, 2006 11:53:01 GMT -5
Post by beautyfr.pain on Oct 9, 2006 11:53:01 GMT -5
*randomly chimes in* I think Jin was basically just a plot device that they used to develop Zuko's character more. (Yeah, like they really needed that.) Sure, she was cute, but so was Song, and they never even MENTIONED Song after Cave of Two Lovers. Jin's most likely a one-time character. And I completely agree with kitsune, Zuko was SO FREAKING OUT-OF-CHARACTER. I liked Jin, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Zuko's Tale was exactly like some lame Mary-Sue fanfiction. I despise Mary-Sues fanfics... T_T I don't really think Zuko waS OOC, but I agree with everything else >< Everyone gave her props for not being handling Zuko's lack of social skill, but I think it was very...shallow. She likes Zuko from his looks. He acts cold on their date, she does NOTHING about that. It reminded me [and many others] of Joo-Dee almost. I have a feeling they have to bring Jin back though. Unlike Song and Zuko, they kissed. Man, I may be a Zutarian, but I prefer Soko way more than Zujin.
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kitsune
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Jin
Oct 9, 2006 15:34:27 GMT -5
Post by kitsune on Oct 9, 2006 15:34:27 GMT -5
^ If you haven't noticed Zuko liked Jin and of course it was for character development but that doesn't mean just because you are for Zutara you don't say the whole purpose of this episode was to increase the chances of Zutara. If anything it was for Zuko to have his first Cannon ship and to make a friend who will hopefully appear again. I'm not totally Zutara, but I don't like Kataang. And as for Zuko, I could really care less who he ends up liking as long as it's not Jin. I guess really it's just because I'd rather see him with either Song or Katara, so I guess I do have a preference. And for whatever reason, Jin seems a bit iffy to me. I just don't like her, whatever reason that may be. I think maybe it's because there really wasn't anything "special" about her, she was just there for character development and nothing more. There was no "story" to Jin, like her past, etc. She was just some random girl, which was why I was angry that Zuko liked her a little when he had just met her. The reason I considered the date thing OOC was the fact that I thought he would get to know the girl more before giving in. We know nothing about her. Everyone gave her props for not being handling Zuko's lack of social skill, but I think it was very...shallow. She likes Zuko from his looks. He acts cold on their date, she does NOTHING about that. It reminded me [and many others] of Joo-Dee almost. Thank you, and you're right, she was quite shallow. If he was even just average-looking, she would not even consider dating him. His looks were the only reason she put up with his emoness.
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Jin
Oct 9, 2006 15:46:25 GMT -5
Post by Ol' Boy on Oct 9, 2006 15:46:25 GMT -5
yeah she was kinda fast too...and...how did she not hear Zu-zu flamin up those laterns!?
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Jin
Oct 10, 2006 0:07:54 GMT -5
Post by Brightfire18 on Oct 10, 2006 0:07:54 GMT -5
*randomly chimes in* I think Jin was basically just a plot device that they used to develop Zuko's character more. (Yeah, like they really needed that.) Sure, she was cute, but so was Song, and they never even MENTIONED Song after Cave of Two Lovers. Jin's most likely a one-time character. And I completely agree with kitsune, Zuko was SO FREAKING OUT-OF-CHARACTER. I liked Jin, but that doesn't excuse the fact that Zuko's Tale was exactly like some lame Mary-Sue fanfiction. I despise Mary-Sues fanfics... T_T I don't really think Zuko waS OOC, but I agree with everything else >< Everyone gave her props for not being handling Zuko's lack of social skill, but I think it was very...shallow. She likes Zuko from his looks. He acts cold on their date, she does NOTHING about that. It reminded me [and many others] of Joo-Dee almost. Well, yeah, of course she likes his looks. Zuko is rather good-looking ^_~ *cough* But anyway, I think his looks are what really caught her attention. Zuko's not only good-looking, but also rather mysterious (wow, I sound like such a fangirl; sorry >.>). But if she just thought of him as eye-candy, I don't think she would've asked him out; she probably just would've gone to the tea shop every day and stared at him (or at least that's what some teeens do..). And she does try to break the ice with all of the questions she tries asking Zuko to start conversations. They just don't really get anywhere....
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kitsune
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Jin
Oct 10, 2006 15:26:39 GMT -5
Post by kitsune on Oct 10, 2006 15:26:39 GMT -5
yeah she was kinda fast too...and...how did she not hear Zu-zu flamin up those laterns!? Yeah, really. Also like I said before, it annoyed me that we know NOTHING about her. She could be from the Dai Lee, which would explain why they didn't say anything about her past and stuff. It won't be revealed until later.
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Jin
Oct 10, 2006 23:04:47 GMT -5
Post by Revitalize Book on Oct 10, 2006 23:04:47 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Jins character, and hope she comes back. X3 It's intersting to ponder how she came to BSS, and I approve of her character design. XD Jins cool. I hope we see her, at least one more time...
Although, what Zuko would do if that happened is ze mystery! XD *Hee!*
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