babbs
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Song
Apr 11, 2006 19:27:49 GMT -5
Post by babbs on Apr 11, 2006 19:27:49 GMT -5
Nah, I don't think she was a bender... I didn't get that bender "vibe". xD Although anything can be something at this point. For all we know Song could be an evil spy or something. ;D
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daydream11
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Song
Apr 12, 2006 15:22:56 GMT -5
Post by daydream11 on Apr 12, 2006 15:22:56 GMT -5
Nah, I don't think she was a bender... I didn't get that bender "vibe". xD Although anything can be something at this point. For all we know Song could be an evil spy or something. ;D Naw, I don't think so. All you have to do is look at her and tell that she isn't a spy (or even a bad girl for that matter). Brings back Katara's words: You can just tell from the eeevil look in his eyes. Yeah.... But if she was I'd be scared. She's a good actress if she was.
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daycon
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Song
Apr 13, 2006 11:28:08 GMT -5
Post by daycon on Apr 13, 2006 11:28:08 GMT -5
She's a cute girl and I really thin the fandom isn't giving her enough credit, just like they didn't give Haru enough credit. She was nice, soft spoken, repectful and taught Zuko a valuable lesson. I think they'd make a darling couple but even so I doubt it'll happen cuz Zuko is far too patriotic to settle down with a member of any nation but the fire. That's pure opinion mind you, and I've been proven wrong before.
If he were to end up with anyone I think Song would be the best suited for him. She's sweet and nonjudgemental (so far, who knows how she'll react if she ever finds out he was a fire nation prince) and would work better with his opinionated and stubborn personality better.
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Hatsumomo
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Song
Apr 13, 2006 11:52:38 GMT -5
Post by Hatsumomo on Apr 13, 2006 11:52:38 GMT -5
^And why did Song even need to show up at all? The part with Iroh drinking the poison tea was a completely useless part of the plotline...unless the creators wanted to set the story up so Zuko and Iroh were forced to go into a town and find a healer. The only other thing it lent to the story was a funny moment, but in "Cave of Two Lovers" it was unnecessary because the hippies provided enough humor for the entire episode. . Song served a huge purpose. I don't care what anyone else says. She showed Zuko the cruelties of what the Fire Nation (and his father) have been inflicting upon the other nations for the past hundred years. For the past three years Zuko's only concern was capturing the Avatar in order to regain his father's acceptance. But when he met Song, it was the first time he got to see some actual damage that the Fire Nation had caused. It's one thing when you mention the many people that had lost their lives in the war, but it hits even harder when you get to see the damage first hand (like Song's burn scars.) Whether Zuko had any slivers of romantic feelings for Song or not, being face-to-face with someone that has lived through a Fire Nation attack evokes more realization and emotions than just hearing about it from someone else who hasn't lived through such things. All in all, I think Zuko's realization will lead to more resentment towards his dad. So Iroh's foolishness was not completely useless. It led them to the village, which led them to Song and her mom, which (hopefully) led Zuko to a harsh wake-up call
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daycon
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Apr 13, 2006 11:58:35 GMT -5
Post by daycon on Apr 13, 2006 11:58:35 GMT -5
^Agreed. It wasn't a waste of time, Zuko needed that lesson!
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daydream11
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Song
Apr 13, 2006 12:53:17 GMT -5
Post by daydream11 on Apr 13, 2006 12:53:17 GMT -5
Song was a nice character it's in her healers nature but I don't think she'll be returning... Remember what Master Jeong Jeong said: 'Earth is steady and Stable' Song proved to be just that when she kept her ground and closed the door on Zuko. Besides she has duties to her village, and she has duties to other people who have also suffered in the hands of the firenation. She'd have to leave her home and her single mom in order to ever meet with Zuko again since Zuko's not one to ever turn back as seen when he continues to go and search for captured Iroh rather than chasing the Avatar, who was really only Katara. ..................................... On the side note: I think the type of girl who can get to Zuko is one who will constantly try to break through to him and stick by his side through thick and thin. Iroh was able to gain Zuko's trust by sticking with him no matter what the situation, so I think the same applies to his future romance +? (I'll let you guys decide!)Maybe so, but IMO, Iroh is enough support. With Song, Zuko would be given a little bit more space to let him think for hisself, all while knowing that Song's there for him. She would comfort him and whatnot when he needed/wanted it, but then leave him alone when the time comes. I think shutting the door represented that: she had talked to him at one time, but then left him alone to decide things for himself.
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gambitia
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Song
Apr 13, 2006 15:18:25 GMT -5
Post by gambitia on Apr 13, 2006 15:18:25 GMT -5
Hatsumomo: I should have articulated my point better; I meant that the creators set it up specifically so Zuko was forced to meet Song. He could have been shown the cruelties of the war by seeing an army hospital full of boys his age without arms or legs...but he wasn't. He had some serious time with a nice girl. My Soko shipper is coming out (the side that refuses to believe there's any possibility that Song won't come back ) Okay, I read this book that really shows what a cool Soko relationship could look like. It's called Demian, and is a weird book, but...yeah. Okay, so there's this guy named Sinclair who's just gone off to college. Once he gets to college, he starts going to bars and drinking himself sick practically every night. His grades slip drammatically, he's threatened with expulsion; basically, he's in deep doo-doo. One day he's walking alone in a park and he sees this girl named Beatrice. He doesn't talk to her, he doesn't ever get to know her, but she becomes a symbol of love and what Sinclair wants to be. He stops drinking, starts doing his homework, and totally turns his life around; all because of his internalized image of Beatrice. Wouldn't it be cool if Soko turned out like that? *turns on rabid shipper mode* I think someone already mentioned something similar to this happening, but I think it would be really deep and really interesting if Zuko did change because of Ms. Song. ;D The plot bunnies are attacking me now
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Yang Fishy
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Song
Apr 13, 2006 18:23:14 GMT -5
Post by Yang Fishy on Apr 13, 2006 18:23:14 GMT -5
Maybe so, but IMO, Iroh is enough support. With Song, Zuko would be given a little bit more space to let him think for hisself, all while knowing that Song's there for him. She would comfort him and whatnot when he needed/wanted it, but then leave him alone when the time comes. I think shutting the door represented that: she had talked to him at one time, but then left him alone to decide things for himself. I don't agree that Song would be giving Zuko enough space if she were to reappear and join him. It's quite the opposite...in their very 1st encounter Song tried to break through to Zuko and touch his scar or in other words: touch Zuko. Although her intentions were good she crossed the line and that's when Zuko felt he needed to stop her. Song shutting the door could have been a symbolic meaning of her giving up on Zuko. Being a healer she wants to help anyone she can who has been badly hurt, Zuko was simply another case. She had hope that maybe he'd be able to heal, that perhaps he was different but Zuko's a strong cookie to crack literally! Although he was posing as a earthkingdom civilian, he proved to be no different from the firenation, his true nation, when he stole her pet, therefore making her give up on him and closing the door. He could have been shown the cruelties of the war by seeing an army hospital full of boys his age without arms or legs...but he wasn't. I don't think Zuko would have been affected at all if he saw a room full of injured earthkingdom boys. He'd prob. feel that there suffering was nothing compared to the suffering he's been through in the hands of his father. Psychologically people tend to empathize/sympathize more with girls, especially those who are really kind and non-deserving of such a cruel fate...like Song.
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Song
Apr 13, 2006 19:11:44 GMT -5
Post by damunch on Apr 13, 2006 19:11:44 GMT -5
I agree with fairysgift, if Zuko were to see a hospital full of injured boys the impact would have been less meaningful.
First of all boys can be associated with men, and therefore soldiers. Depending on the age they may even be soldiers themselves. And a soldier knowingly endangers himself so his injury would be more easily understood, even expected. Song is very clearly not a soldier, making her past injury more of a shock and an injustice.
Second large numbers of victims are easier to face than just one. The reason for that is that there is a certain level of anonymity in a crowd, we never get to know every single boy. But Song was interacting with Zuko one-on-one so he could not ignore her. I know it sounds terrible, but when you see a report on a large number of people suffering on the news do you really stop and consider the weight of what has been lost? Most people don't. But when we are confronted by one person's story we empathize with that person. Think of the first time you heard about concentration camps and compare it to the first you heard about Anne Frank. Which affected you more?
Song had a purpose, and she completed it well.
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Song
Apr 13, 2006 22:50:47 GMT -5
Post by Revitalize Book on Apr 13, 2006 22:50:47 GMT -5
I agree with fairysgift, if Zuko were to see a hospital full of injured boys the impact would have been less meaningful. First of all boys can be associated with men, and therefore soldiers. Depending on the age they may even be soldiers themselves. And a soldier knowingly endangers himself so his injury would be more easily understood, even expected. Song is very clearly not a soldier, making her past injury more of a shock and an injustice. Second large numbers of victims are easier to face than just one. The reason for that is that there is a certain level of anonymity in a crowd, we never get to know every single boy. But Song was interacting with Zuko one-on-one so he could not ignore her. I know it sounds terrible, but when you see a report on a large number of people suffering on the news do you really stop and consider the weight of what has been lost? Most people don't. But when we are confronted by one person's story we empathize with that person. Think of the first time you heard about concentration camps and compare it to the first you heard about Anne Frank. Which affected you more? Song had a purpose, and she completed it well. ^^;; I do hope she still has one. If she completed this one purpose maybe she can have another. I really hope she comes back, but she did help Zuko see a new side to the Fire Nations cruelty. * Now return her emu-horse Zuko!XD* Songs reappearance is just ...completely unknown at this point. ;_;
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Song
Apr 13, 2006 22:56:06 GMT -5
Post by Revitalize Book on Apr 13, 2006 22:56:06 GMT -5
Maybe so, but IMO, Iroh is enough support. With Song, Zuko would be given a little bit more space to let him think for hisself, all while knowing that Song's there for him. She would comfort him and whatnot when he needed/wanted it, but then leave him alone when the time comes. I think shutting the door represented that: she had talked to him at one time, but then left him alone to decide things for himself. I don't agree that Song would be giving Zuko enough space if she were to reappear and join him. It's quite the opposite...in their very 1st encounter Song tried to break through to Zuko and touch his scar or in other words: touch Zuko. Although her intentions were good she crossed the line and that's when Zuko felt he needed to stop her. Song shutting the door could have been a symbolic meaning of her giving up on Zuko. Being a healer she wants to help anyone she can who has been badly hurt, Zuko was simply another case. She had hope that maybe he'd be able to heal, that perhaps he was different but Zuko's a strong cookie to crack literally! Although he was posing as a earthkingdom civilian, he proved to be no different from the firenation, his true nation, when he stole her pet, therefore making her give up on him and closing the door. He could have been shown the cruelties of the war by seeing an army hospital full of boys his age without arms or legs...but he wasn't. I don't think Zuko would have been affected at all if he saw a room full of injured earthkingdom boys. He'd prob. feel that there suffering was nothing compared to the suffering he's been through in the hands of his father. Psychologically people tend to empathize/sympathize more with girls, especially those who are really kind and non-deserving of such a cruel fate...like Song. >.< I really wish something solid would verify why she closed the door-If she would only come back and say so...Although she did invade his space at that time, that doesn't mean she wouldn't give it to him when he wanted. The problem with Song is that half of her actions *or less* are so up to the theory and just...aren't solid, you know? So we're all left to think what we want, but at the same time I want to know what she's thinking... Nice points and different perspectives though, bring something intersting, which is cool.
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babbs
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Song
Apr 14, 2006 0:56:14 GMT -5
Post by babbs on Apr 14, 2006 0:56:14 GMT -5
^ Yep. Right now she's "liquid". I've made numerous judgments about this chick to the boot, and yes, I know that's wrong. Honestly, right now, all we Song fans can do is just to hope she'll be back. That's it and nothing to it. Song closing the door and her other actions could be interpreted in numerous ways but as you said breathing, there was "nothing solid" about most of them that can really guarantee us another reappearance. Eh, I wouldn't mind either way... though I would be rather disappointed. But that's just the Zusong/Soko shipper in me.
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Song
Apr 14, 2006 1:08:24 GMT -5
Post by Roussie on Apr 14, 2006 1:08:24 GMT -5
You guys should just wait patiently. I mean, look at Haru fans... they're still hoping.
I admire them. ;D
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daydream11
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Song
Apr 14, 2006 8:12:17 GMT -5
Post by daydream11 on Apr 14, 2006 8:12:17 GMT -5
You guys should just wait patiently. I mean, look at Haru fans... they're still hoping. I admire them. ;D This is Avatar... nobody waits patiently ;D. JK...sort of. Anyways, yep fairysgift: I can get what you're saying. Agreeing with Breathing here, she is a liquid. At least that means a lot of different possibilities for her, though.
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Song
Apr 14, 2006 22:51:41 GMT -5
Post by Revitalize Book on Apr 14, 2006 22:51:41 GMT -5
^ Yep. Right now she's "liquid". I've made numerous judgments about this chick to the boot, and yes, I know that's wrong. Honestly, right now, all we Song fans can do is just to hope she'll be back. That's it and nothing to it. Song closing the door and her other actions could be interpreted in numerous ways but as you said breathing, there was "nothing solid" about most of them that can really guarantee us another reappearance. Eh, I wouldn't mind either way... though I would be rather disappointed. But that's just the Zusong/Soko shipper in me. *Nods*. That may be the only problem with scenes that aren't explained in firm detail; we think it's this way- could be that way...As much as I enjoy hearing everyones opinion, it would be different to find out what the character is thinking- it would be permenant and undeniable once spoken and true. We have so many theories on Song, along with many of the new characters, but less facts- and that's the bug bite that itches raw. XD >.>.... I'm waiting for Haru to come back too. Song and Haru... Song: We're back! Me *one year gone by* : It's about time! ((Song moves...and then disappears!)) Me: I waited for this long for her to show up again- and all I get is a wishy-washy two minute flash back?! >:-( *Writes to Brian and Micheal about the injuistice of it all XD* I seriously want her to appear again though; she has so much potential in her character....*and I am similar to her!XD* Go Song- whoooooooo! *Hops on the 'waiting for character to reappear bandwagon*
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