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Post by grandmaster192 on Jun 16, 2007 5:09:53 GMT -5
You haven't seen it? Well go watch it! lol, I'll send it to you or something I don't think she was smirking. Zuko came out and said "where's Mom" she looked away and said lightly "no one knows" then she looks back at him and says "oh and last night grandpa passed away." He says "Not funny Azula. you're sick and I want my knife back." He reaches for it, she jumps out of the way and says mockingly "Who's gonna make me? Mom?" then he grabs it from her and goes and finds his dad. Very intresting...I gotta see this episode. Usaully Azula would be trying to waive something like that in Zuko's face. The fact that she wasn't is intresting...
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Post by MsJimmy on Jun 16, 2007 5:15:37 GMT -5
Yeah, you'll have to see it. It's not like she had bad relations with her mother or anything.
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Post by daydream11 on Jun 16, 2007 10:57:43 GMT -5
When she syas "No one knows", I think she was trying to (a) throw Zuko off and (b) cover up whatever she felt about it. We've said before, MJ, that we believe she doesn't always lie- that she only manipulates the truth, plays on the words- so they way she said it, all lightly, shouldn't be taken seriously. (When you look at the screenshots, you really have this powrful urge to smack her, though.)
She was telling the truth, you have to realize- no one did know.
MJ's right, too, she had a great relationship with her mother, as far as we can tell. I think it was Ozai who played a role in how she viewed both her mother and her brother, which sorta changes everything.
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Post by MsJimmy on Jun 16, 2007 15:06:46 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. The fact that she turns away when she says no one knows makes me wonder.
And if you think about it, Zuko asked where she was. Maybe they don't know. But maybe Azula does know what happened to her- why she's gone. Those are two different things.
Yeah, I would say Ozai just had more influence on her than her mother did.
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Post by fushikio on Jun 18, 2007 7:03:03 GMT -5
no, she didn't smile when Ursa went missing, but she did have that smile at her grandfathers funeral. i think Azula knew that Ursa would probably go after her grandfather and kill him but would probably die in the process, thus clearing her fathers way to the throne, and removing her mother who could expose the murder!
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Post by daydream11 on Jun 18, 2007 11:55:27 GMT -5
She had that smile because she probably knew that she now had more power.
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Post by MsJimmy on Jun 18, 2007 20:07:37 GMT -5
She had that smile because she probably knew that she now had more power. I agree that that's the reason. She knew what her father on the throne meant for her
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Post by The Blue Spirit on Jun 19, 2007 5:29:43 GMT -5
Well she always wnated her father to be fire lord so you expected her to be happy when it did happen
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Post by MsJimmy on Jun 19, 2007 15:58:10 GMT -5
True ^ she made that very clear she thought her father would be a better firelord lol
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Post by theweasleyboys on Jun 21, 2007 9:31:30 GMT -5
Yeah, you'll have to see it. It's not like she had bad relations with her mother or anything. Uhm...then how come she wasn't at Ursa's side feeding the turtle ducks too...? Why did she mock Ursa's protection of Zuko by saying 'Who's gonna make me? MOM?' She seemed pretty happy that Ursa had gone away, and not just because of that one lecture she got from her offscreen after bragging how 'Father's going to kill you' [Zuko]...That doesn't sound very loving to me! Other way around, I'm afraid. If Azula was exactly like Ursa, would she be throwing heavy stones at the turtle ducks with the intent to either crush or drown them...? No. She would be at her mother's side feeding them breadcrumbs and snuggling under her arm with the joys of the parent-child bond in full swing. If Zuko was exactly like Ozai, he'd be off pushing Ty Lee into the mud for being better at cartwheels than he was and upsetting him, and he would also be the one using the scare tactics against Mai with the flaming apple on her head. If Azula was exactly like Ursa, she wouldn't insult her brother under her breath by saying that he would never be as good at Firebending as she was. It would be reversed with Zuko saying that to her under his breath, and grinning wickedly whenever she fell down or made a mistake at ANYTHING. And also, much later, if you think Zuko and Ozai are the same, then Zuko would have never stood up for the unarmed soldiers who were basically being shipped off to the Earth Kingdom to die as part of some military maneuver. Remember how it was Ozai who planned that in the first place...? Zuko would have gone with it entirely and not said anything, then never would have gotten that scar, and would have remained the kid with the cushy treatment at the palace complete with his own fancy ship to hunt down Azula three years later than he did with an old, decrepit ship to hunt Aang with. Azula would have stood up for her nation's army and gotten that scar in the Agni Kai if she's so much like her mom as you say. I'm sorry, but I wonder if we're watching the same episodes because you seem to have mistaken one parent-child relationship for another. It's been clear to me ever since the episode 'Zuko Alone' that he was brought up more by Ursa and therefore was influenced by her at a greater level than Ozai's influence. He does not harm animals or people for fun, and he does the best he can to protect his country's army/interests even when it costs him his honor or credibility. Wouldn't it have been Ozai at the pond with Zuko instead of Ursa, if the creators were doing as you claim they are...? If Azula gets her personality quirks from Ursa, then wouldn't Ursa be bugging Azulon to forget Iroh and set a woman on the throne instead of him...? To me, it's already been made concrete and trying to reverse it in any way just doesn't seem correct to me-- It is Ursa/Zuko=Love and Ozai/Azula=ambition/control/etc...
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Jun 21, 2007 9:38:52 GMT -5
the girl spits hot fire what more can you say.
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Post by theweasleyboys on Jun 21, 2007 9:52:46 GMT -5
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Post by attonbitus on Jun 21, 2007 12:41:06 GMT -5
Hmm as far as Azula looking for Ursa, it would say that she would but only if it affected the FN some way. I agree that she does a lot of thing for her country and for her father. Actually, her innate cruelty maybe in response to this lack of personal identity. She feels like nothing can be hers so she subconsciously does things to push others away.
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Post by theweasleyboys on Jun 21, 2007 15:15:04 GMT -5
Hmm as far as Azula looking for Ursa, it would say that she would but only if it affected the FN some way. I agree that she does a lot of thing for her country and for her father. Actually, her innate cruelty maybe in response to this lack of personal identity. She feels like nothing can be hers so she subconsciously does things to push others away. Again, I must speak to the contrary. She knew exactly what to do to get Zuko to join her and the other girls' 'game' in the garden so she could use Mai to humiliate Zuko--one bit of sweet talk to Ursa, and she manipulated her own mother to nudge Zuko into it. She wanted to humiliate her brother, and she got it by sweet-talking Ursa into convincing him to play with her. Five years later, she knew that a bit of 'Father's very sorry' to Zuko would get him to come onto the boat with her, just like she wanted. Everything would have gone perfectly if not for the one soldier's Freudian slip that Zuko was a prisoner and not a welcome guest. Then, in the underground of Ba Sing Se, she took the different course of pretending to need Zuko's help to take the city over. Five minutes later, he'd fallen to her wiles again, and this time there was no wayward soldier to spill the beans. This isn't just her doing whatever Ozai wants. She both wants and loves to see Zuko fail, and just like in the garden, she's taking an active role in setting him up for failure. Look at her wicked grin when he doesn't succeed in impressing Fire Lord Azulon with his bending prowess. She might be making it all the more irresistible by luring him into a false sense of security first, but the end result is going to be exactly the same--his failure, and her twisted joy at such events because it proves to her he can never be her equal.
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Post by Maylene on Aug 18, 2007 3:12:10 GMT -5
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