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Post by waterfire (I am back!!!) on May 28, 2007 18:17:55 GMT -5
How old is Iroh and Ozai? In my suggestion Iroh is about 10 years or over then Ozais
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Post by dragonflly on May 30, 2007 0:57:46 GMT -5
I'm gonna say that there is a bit more of an age difference. Ozai is around 40 and Iroh is in his late 50's early 60's. So maybe 15-20 yrs. It can happen, I have friends who have siblings 15 yrs younger than them, it's called an OOOPPPPPSSSS!!!!!! I think this was the case with Ozai, a mistake, a big ooppss!!!!
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Post by yiceman on May 30, 2007 2:31:38 GMT -5
In older times, childbirth was very risky business. There was never a guarantee that the child, or the mother, would survive. There could have been stillbirths or other issues that lead to the gap.
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Post by ~Aleco on May 30, 2007 6:03:46 GMT -5
I want Iroh to be strongest, but I am afraid it is Ozai to be honest ...
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Post by nandireya on May 30, 2007 6:21:46 GMT -5
In older times, childbirth was very risky business. There was never a guarantee that the child, or the mother, would survive. There could have been stillbirths or other issues that lead to the gap. Or there could be sisters that have not yet been mentioned...
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Post by nasshingu on May 30, 2007 12:51:44 GMT -5
It really depends on how you look at the situation. Like iroh knows a lot, but Ozai... he just Ozai. The fire lord person, person.
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Post by dragonflly on May 31, 2007 23:57:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that if there were brothers and sisters, they would have been mentioned at Azulon's funeral.
This could possibly be why Azulon favored Iroh. Ozai was an oops, he wasn't wanted he kinda just came along after all those years. Azulon already had his heir, so Ozai was unimportant to him. Maybe he got tired of all the stunts Ozai pulled to get his attention. I just really think that he was an unintended child.
This could also be the reason that Ozai dislikes Zuko so much, being passed over by his older sibling must have really made him angry. Maybe it really is that Ozai is just doing this out of revenge kinda, making sure that the oldest is not the favored. But, it does seem like something happened to make Ozai dislike his son. Maybe he was born small and sick like Yue, and he will always think of him as that weak little baby, or my true bet is that he sees the kind, gentle, compassionate side of Zuko and hates that he is not like himself, cold and evil.
Either way, I just think that Ozai was not supposed to be, but he was an accident. I don't think Azulon doubted Iroh's power and capabilities for a second, although something tells me that his apprehensive and angry respond to Ozai request tells me that there was more than just the "First Born" thing going on. Yes Iroh was the first born, but don't you think that if the FL were to question his capabilites, he would have appointed Ozai to finish the job anyway? Reguardless of birthright, if Azulon thought Ozai better for the job at hand, he would've done it. It's obvious that he was in the legal right to do so, so why not, why the anger and scolding? Think about it.
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Post by TemariFan on Jun 2, 2007 17:25:51 GMT -5
iroh has to be stronger b/c ozai cant even bend lightning
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Post by nhldork87 on Jun 2, 2007 21:14:53 GMT -5
i think they're the same because oroh knows lightning but ozais the fire lord,i mean, COME ON PEOPLE!
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Post by demonofthewest on Jun 3, 2007 17:01:07 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that if there were brothers and sisters, they would have been mentioned at Azulon's funeral. This could possibly be why Azulon favored Iroh. Ozai was an oops, he wasn't wanted he kinda just came along after all those years. Azulon already had his heir, so Ozai was unimportant to him. Maybe he got tired of all the stunts Ozai pulled to get his attention. I just really think that he was an unintended child. This could also be the reason that Ozai dislikes Zuko so much, being passed over by his older sibling must have really made him angry. Maybe it really is that Ozai is just doing this out of revenge kinda, making sure that the oldest is not the favored. But, it does seem like something happened to make Ozai dislike his son. Maybe he was born small and sick like Yue, and he will always think of him as that weak little baby, or my true bet is that he sees the kind, gentle, compassionate side of Zuko and hates that he is not like himself, cold and evil. Either way, I just think that Ozai was not supposed to be, but he was an accident. I don't think Azulon doubted Iroh's power and capabilities for a second, although something tells me that his apprehensive and angry respond to Ozai request tells me that there was more than just the "First Born" thing going on. Yes Iroh was the first born, but don't you think that if the FL were to question his capabilites, he would have appointed Ozai to finish the job anyway? Reguardless of birthright, if Azulon thought Ozai better for the job at hand, he would've done it. It's obvious that he was in the legal right to do so, so why not, why the anger and scolding? Think about it. It doesn't matter if Ozai was better or not, if you don't like the guy, you're not going to make him Fire Lord. And from what we've seen, Azulon wasn't particularly fond of Ozai. There are many reasons to dislike someone other than lack of skill. Besides, Iroh was already more than capable. He had no reason to replace him unless Iroh was really terrible. iroh has to be stronger b/c ozai cant even bend lightning And you know this...how?
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Post by moonwalker on Jun 4, 2007 19:51:14 GMT -5
i think iroh is stronger ecause he can hold in his anger. in the book the little prinncess Sara Crewe says "People are stronger if they can hold in their anger and not let anyone see it."
sorry if i messed up the quote, i haven't read it in a long time!
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Post by demonofthewest on Jun 9, 2007 16:51:24 GMT -5
What proof do you have that Ozai can't hold in his anger? We've only seen the guy a handful of times out of the whole series, and we've never seen him fight.
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Post by firenationstooge on Jun 9, 2007 19:05:36 GMT -5
I'm going to have to lean towards Ozai.
He's younger. Although this does not mean he has more experience, it can mean Ozai has more stamina and strength than Iroh.
Not to mention that you don't become the Fire Lord and stay on the throne because you are a pushover.
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Post by nandireya on Jun 9, 2007 20:10:49 GMT -5
Ozai could be like his daughter...a lot of raw, intimidating power...
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Post by Chaobunny on Jun 9, 2007 20:40:25 GMT -5
I honestly can't vote because we haven't seen Ozai's skills as of yet. I'm hoping to be able to witness his fighting skillz in season 3
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