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Post by amber128 on Sept 1, 2006 0:03:03 GMT -5
Strangepigtails--you said what I was thinking about the mother aspect of all of this. I agree w/ you about them understanding what it's like to lose a mother. When I wrote that sentence before "Zuko however, who has also experienced the loss of family (his mother, Luten) is mature like Katara." , I wasn't rly thinking. I had been typing alot and my ideas just kinda melded together there. I was trying to get at the loss of a mother (and family to the war--Luten and Katara's mother), and how Zuko and Katara share that. And then maturity, which was a theme in this thread, was swimming around in my head. Anyway...wonderfully put about their mothers.
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Post by strangepigtails on Sept 1, 2006 1:45:55 GMT -5
ah, ok! im glad that was cleared up then <3
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Post by zukofan21 on Sept 1, 2006 6:07:53 GMT -5
Aang and Katara are two years apart, Aang is younger and Katara is older, some people dislike this pairing because of the age difference, Zutara, Zuko is older by two years and Katara is younger just like Kataang only the older person's gender is reversed. I see nothing wrong with the girl being a little older. Its only two years. Two physical years. Katara is emotionally older than Aang by many years. Not saying Aang isn't mature because he is, but I think Katara would end up treating him like a son.
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Post by thedudeishere on Sept 1, 2006 16:32:53 GMT -5
I personally don't find Aang immature at all for a 12 year old, because uhm well guys... HE is in fact 12,(if he wasnt being a mature 12 year old by not acting immature then i'd be worried.) did that make sence? of course it did, chew on it for a sec and it will make sence too you too. Personally, I think that in season two Aang has been just as mature as many adults. He's not just mature "for a twelve year old", he's mature period. How can you be so sure that Aang isn't sure that he loves Katara? I mean, he seems pretty sure to me. Aang has been spending time with Katara for 24/7 for several months. Most boys only have a few hours a day after school and a few minutes during school to talk to a girl that they like, and the after school thing assumes that they wouldn't both be at home but would be spending time together. When you spend that much time every day with somebody, emotions can form very fast. I myself can say this from experience (not romantic, but friendship wise). Indeed. That would be like me defending Aang by saying "Yeah, well, he is immature, but aren't you immature as well?" (I don't think Aang is immature, btw) And no, I'm not that disrespectful to my parents. Yes, I do get angry and talk back to them, but I never blatantly insult them like that, and I would never insult some guy that I've never even met like that. Yeah, he does occasionally realize that he's being rude to his uncle. The Storm is one such example. And while that doesn't say nothing about maturity, it doesn't state a lot either. He's still immature enough to make the insults and disrespect in the first place (and make them frequently). Aang hasn't been blatanly disrespectful like Zuko has. And yes, he (Zuko) is maturing, but right now he is still a brat and immature.
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Post by =Dr. Flabortast= on Sept 1, 2006 20:52:53 GMT -5
IMO the writers can't seem to make up their minds about Zuko's maturity. One moment he is doing something noble the next he's acting like a rude spoiled brat who has no common sense....
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Post by strangepigtails on Sept 2, 2006 1:29:13 GMT -5
[quote author=thedudeishere board=avspoiler thread=1156791550 post=1157146373WAIT. You're saying that because Aang hasn't lost a mother, that he couldn't ever have a conversation with Katara about the loss of her mother in order to make a common understanding with eachother, while Zuko, because he has lost a mother, could? So, Aang has lost Kuzon. He's lost all the other friends that he probably had all over the globes. For instance, Aang said in The Boy in the Iceberg that he had friends in the Fire Nation, which is plural. So he's probably lost dozen of friends from all over the globe. He's lost everybody pictured here: He's lost all of his elders: And, ultimately, he's lost Gyatso, who basically played the role of his father. Yet, he has nothing that he could talk about with Katara in this situation to make a deeper understanding? I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. When you lose somebody dear to you, and you talk about it with somebody else, that person talking about losing somebody that they love can make a very deep understanding of eachother, even if the role of the two lost ones in this situation are different. I know this from experience. Aang has a lot to offer here, as a matter of fact, I would say that Aang has a lot more to offer in this situation than Zuko does. He has probably dozens of friends, all of his elders, his father figure (Gyatso), and his entire culture and civilization. [/quote] well first off, i never said that... i said Aang could talk to her about it but he wouldnt be able to sympathize because he never knew his. and just because he couldnt sympathize doesnt mean he cant still talk about it. I think at my stand point that the similarities happen because both Katara's mothers death and Zuko's mothers death are both fresh wounds. (you could also say the same for Aang sence he just kinda woke up after such a long nap) this does work both ways i guess but Aang's is on such a greater scale that Katara (in my mind) then wouldnt be able to sympathize and would regret ever feeling she had it bad... when Aang has had it much worse (and with this horrible corse of thinking i just cant stand that... ) i'd also like the point out, that those "friends" dont count. Sence the little punks totally shunned Aang... lil punkheads... >_> ::growls:: ESPECIALLY after he showed them the awesomne airscooter trick! btw, your commentary was executed excellently! you are one of the best debaters by far, others get kinda irritated and become kinda childish you on the other hand, both agreed and disagreed and you argued your points very well! *karma for being a cool debater*
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Post by =Dr. Flabortast= on Sept 2, 2006 3:10:50 GMT -5
Ummm Zuko's mom isn't confirmed to be dead..... where did you get the idea she was dead. For all intents and purposes Ursa disappeared
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Post by Amira on Sept 2, 2006 11:29:10 GMT -5
Bravo TheAlmightyQ and karma for you.
Katara has already helped Aang with the pain of losing everyone and does an excellent job of it. "The Storm" and "The Southern Air Temple" shows that. In fact she used the example of her mother's death to explain to Aang how she could understand how he was feeling and how upset he was:
Katara: (shouting calmly) Aang, I know you're upset...
(Camera switches to full view of Katara clinging to a rock, Sokka visible behind her.)
Katara: ... and I know how hard it is to lose the people you love. I went through the same thing when I lost my mom. Monk Gyatso and the other airbenders may be gone, but you still have a family. Sokka and I, we're your family now.
Now I do see an issue with Katara and Zuko discussing mothers in that Zuko's nation was responsible for her mother's death and for much of her misery so far. While Katara is a loving and caring girl, I do think she would need to be able to fully trust Zuko before opening up to him about something his own nation did to her. She opened up to Jet about her painful past almost immediately and ended up being tricked by him. I do think she's learned a lesson with that. I don't really recall her mentioning her mother to anyone after that, except in "The Swamp."
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Post by Lotus on Sept 3, 2006 11:14:27 GMT -5
I can deffinitely agee, amber.
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Post by NIIE on Sept 3, 2006 15:07:55 GMT -5
Everyone has different opinions on who is mature and who isn't, but in my opinion I believe both Zuko and Aang are mature (well to a certain level)
Aang IS the Avatar, at first maybe he didn't think it was such a big deal, but as the show continues I think he realizes more and more of his responsibilities. I believe that for his age of 12 he is mature and with everything he has gone through, and yes he acts goofy and likes to have fun but what would you expect he still is a child.
Zuko I believe is very mature. As we've seen through flashbacks he's had a pretty rough life. Shunned by his father, abandoned by his mother, and disliked by his sister. Yet he is full of determination. In the first season he may be discribed as a "brat" but remember he doesn't just think of himself. He put his crews safety first and let the avatar escape. He doesn't hurt innocents on purpose. He obviously cares for his uncle. And the reason he has a scar is because he spoke out against sacrificing the "fresh meat" Yes he is full of angst at times but hey he is a teenager.
Romance wise I'd say Aang might be too young for Katara. Not age wise but maturaty level wise. I see Katara more as a mother figure to Aang. In SOTFN if the spoilers are true and she does accept Aang with tears in her eyes in my opinion, she probably doesn't want to hurt his feelings. After all he does have alot of pressure on him and she probably doesn't want to make him sad.
I think that if Zuko and his uncle join Aang and gang than Zutara is very possible. To me they both seem very capable of understanding eachother if given a chance which I hope does happen.
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Post by driftking24 on Oct 20, 2006 21:55:51 GMT -5
Aang is not mature! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
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Post by -ReVenge- on Oct 20, 2006 22:43:48 GMT -5
what gets me on that logic is that he is 12 and in love, i mean boys that age still arent sure they like girls yet and are still fond of the fart jokes. Well, when I was in eventh grade, a lot of people I know were boyfriend/girlfriend, even dating, it was kinda weird. Fart jokes, sorry, I don't know about other people, but fart jokes were never funny to me... Oh, and I had a crush on someone when I was 12, almost everyone did, so that means either my school is weird, or you are wrong about boys... Aang is not mature! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! Please, do not spam.
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Post by yourkie1921 on Oct 20, 2006 22:49:20 GMT -5
lol thank you I'm 11 and fart jokes are boreing and actually my only 2 crushes were girls in avatar(I'm obsessed with avatar so what you expect and you'll never guess who the 2 are) and I'm pretty sure part of Aang's attitude is there due to trying to impress Katara ps.if you say Aang doesn't even have a crush on her then watch the show.
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Post by trustno1 on Oct 21, 2006 9:21:08 GMT -5
Aang knows that he is a kid and doesn't even try to act mature, which makes him in my opinion one of the wisest characters on the show. Zuko and Katara on the other hand try to act mature, but fail in doing so, because of their stubborn and short tempered nature. I guess, if you would put Zuko into a group, both (Zuko and Katara), would think of each other that they are the only "mature" people in the group, just because they tend to be not as outgoing as the others and don't tend to fool around so easily, also both seem to me, to be people who like fullfilling their "duty", whether it is setting up a camp correctly or trying to drag their uncle out of a hot tub xD.
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Post by dahli on Oct 21, 2006 11:58:57 GMT -5
I have a hard time imagining Aang and Katara together, honestly XD I kind of like the idea of Zuko/Katara. From their personalities, I'd say they're very compatible. Zuko is a lost and hurting soul, and Katara is indeed very motherly, kind, and understanding. Therefore, she would be compassionate towards Zuko, in my opinion. Which is something he needs.
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