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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Aug 21, 2007 22:14:16 GMT -5
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The problem with that is Orochimaru wants a body and I think he prefers one that has actually not died. In addition, how is Orochimaru suppose to bring back someone to life if with their Sharingan if it was crushed when he died? Also, it is impossible for Kakuzu to stitch back Obito together and him be alive if Obito was aleady dead. I do not recall Kakuzu being able to bring back people to life.
Also, the forbidden jutsu you are referring to does not work simply like that. The Impure World Resurrection"; English "Summoning Jutsu": Reanimation revives the dead. It brings back the dead but does not give them life once again. They have only been revived and not actually living. To perform the technique, Orochimaru must sacrifice a living human so that the soul of the deceased person can be tied to the living world. After that, the sacrificed body is then surrounded with dirt and dust that compacts into the shape of the summoned soul's original body. The actual body that the person has is the one of person who is to be sacrificed.
Although the revived retain their original memories and personalities, thus leaving them out of the control of Orochimaru, Orochimaru can suppress their free-wills with his own special seal to force them to do his bidding. So, Orochimaru would have full control of Obito if he indeed brought him back to life. Therefore, Obito would have left with Orochimaru if he was revived by him or Orochimaru would have taken his soul out. Lastly, nobody else could have used this summoning jutsu if Orochimaru is the one who developed it as a byproduct of his research to gain immortality. I highly doubt Orochimaru showed anyone else how to do this forbidden jutsu if it was created by his attempt to benefit himself. That would be the opposite of who Orochimaru is. Everything he does is to benefit himself. Even when he was a member of Akatsuki, he was trying to accomplish something for himself which led to his attempt to steal Itachi's body. Although Itachi's Sharigan stopped his futile attempt. Thus, the reason he lost his left hand and left the organization.
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Post by girlunderglass on Sept 6, 2007 12:18:51 GMT -5
Being the question is "Who Is Madara Uchiha?" I think I am going to go ahead and post a theory along with some spoilers in this thread. I will start with the evidence.. spoilers ahead.... As we know, Pein, who was believed to be the Akatsuki leader is not- though he is a leader in a civil war that is taking place in the Village Hidden In The Rain. We have been duped by his status up until a few episodes ago. In Tsunade and Jaraiya's lil talk, he warns her again 'Root', which is a division of ANBU led by Danzo- Who appears to have a damaged right eye and wears a bandage over it. It is earlier revealed that Tobi is in fact the true Akatsuki leader- whom wears a mask that covers all of his face but his right eye, which we get a glimpse of and looks to be a sharingan. In the first image of Tobi, we see him saying "The Sharingan's true power... my power... Uchiha Madara's power...". He never quite says, "I'm Uchiha Madara." Yet, he refers to having the power of Madara. What if Danzo is not so different than Kakashi in the sense that he has an eye that does not belong to him? In other words, what if Danzo has one of Madara's eyes or he keeps the right eye covered because he is unable to turn it off for some reason (and covering it keeps it hidden) and Danzo is really Madara?
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Post by stinkypinky on Sept 6, 2007 19:46:03 GMT -5
I heard this theory at Narutofan, and while I do support Tobi=Obito theory, Danzo=Tobi is a well theory especially more now that Jiraiya told Tsunade to not trust Root. Of course Danzo never looked to be that trustful when he was introduced.
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Post by girlunderglass on Sept 6, 2007 21:32:31 GMT -5
Danzo's a snake.. no doubt about it. He clearly dislikes Tsunade and can't stand that Konoha is not ran to his militant liking. It's clear from his past appearance that he had something going on with Orochimaru.. which could only be taken as he has/had his hand in on the destruction of the village.
Tobito.. I never really bought into that theory (or the J-man= Tobi theory), though I have read a lot of well thought out supporting theories to go along with it. I find it hard to believe that someone as concerned about their team mates and had half their body crushed would go on to turn against his village. It wasn't in his character to disregard lives for the sake of a mission- that is where Obito and Kakashi differed so much. Kakashi wanted to do everything by the book, not to be ridiculed as his father was for choosing the lives of team mates over the completion of a mission.
As callous as it might sound of me, I like to think the purpose of Obito's character was to teach Kakashi that lesson and give definition to who/ what Kakashi is all about. I would hate to see Kishi turn someone like Obito into someone evil. Obito's major purpose left a life long impact on Kakashi and I would like to see it remain that way.
If Kakashi comes to die within the story, I would rather it be because he kept his word to his lost friends and made good with his regrets. It would be a noble and justifiable death.. and likely one of the only scenarios Kakashi fans would be alright with- not that the fans point of view should determine a story, but he is consistently in the top 5 character polls.
for me personally, it would bother me to see Kakashi die by the hand of someone he spent his life pining for.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 8, 2007 1:30:15 GMT -5
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That's why I think the Tobito theories might be well thought out but lack any hard evidence where the Madara being makes more sense. Still, it is kind of strange that Madara would only have one Sharingan with him being a Uchiha. That's why I am not completely decided on the true identity of Tobi yet but I am sure that he is in no way Obito. Though, there is the possiblity Madara lost one of his two Sharingan eyes during battle or in some other matter.
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Post by girlunderglass on Sept 10, 2007 10:11:49 GMT -5
Tobito just seemed way too far fetched to me. Why would Obito need the power of Madara when he was born with sharingan eyes?
Obito would be a generation older than Itachi.. being Kakashi's age as of now. If you do the math in regards to ages, Itachi was an ANBU captain at 11, where Obito died when he was 12- with little abilities. That would make Itachi roughly 2 when Obito died and within 9 years from that point, Itachi was able to gain the mangekyo shringan.
Obito would have had to survive the accident, find it within himself to turn evil and then train on his own (with no other Uchiha to help him progress) to reach this high level of power. One storng enough to be able to form an elite gang of rogue ninja, including one from his own clan that surpassed him years earlier. It just makes no sense based on the timeline.
Another major factor that leads me to say flat out NO to Tobito- Obito was only mentioned in the Kakashi Gaiden. It was a side story that was nothing but Kakashi's past history. It has no bearing on the actual Naruto story, other than to explain how Kakashi came to be how he is- habitually late, follows the rules, but will do anything for a team mate. If Obito was so important to the story's continuity, there would have been mentin of him throughout the series.
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Post by stinkypinky on Sept 12, 2007 13:04:13 GMT -5
370 spoilers: Over at NarutoFan Jiraiya confirms that the first Hokage fought Madara at VoTE and defeated him. He also believes that Madara summoned Kyuubi.
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Post by girlunderglass on Sept 12, 2007 18:53:10 GMT -5
I have yet to look at the spoilers for this week.
So is it implied that the 1st died by the hand of Madara or even the Kyuubi?
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Post by stinkypinky on Sept 12, 2007 19:21:01 GMT -5
Jiraiya summons a toad to give Naruto something, forgot what is was, because he feels that something is going to happen. Jiraiya believes that Madara summoned the Kyuubi, as he says that the toad laughs and says Madara was a founder of Uchiha clan, was beaten by the 1st Hokaga at VoTE, and that he couldn't have been alive to summon Kyuubi to wreak havoc on Konoha.
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Post by girlunderglass on Sept 12, 2007 20:14:52 GMT -5
Very Interesting. I hope that Jiraiya was not sending that message because he needs help (as Tsunade asks him to do), but rather to pass along information. I would die a thousand deaths if the J-man was killed.
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Post by Chibi Chan-o on Sept 12, 2007 20:22:22 GMT -5
W00t. I have chapter spoilers concerning Madara. Know who he is? He's the statue on the left from the Valley of the End. And apparently, he fought Shodaime there (and his statue is on the right).
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Post by girlunderglass on Sept 13, 2007 2:04:54 GMT -5
I just looked at some of the spoilers in NMR... It seems Pein is not really a person but more of a "artificial psychic entity" created over 1000 years ago strictly to fight the bijuu. Those cells in the last chapter that appear to be beds are really other bodies (more like puppet bodies) that he uses and switches between. Most of the chapter is about Pein's past and how he's derived from an ancient civilization- which some of the ruins are still located in Amegakure, explaining why the buildings are so elaborate looking compared to ther villages. It is also stated that Sasuke and the rest of Hebi arrive at the Uchiha hideout, only to meet up with Kisame, who reminds the group that Sasuke is the only one who is supposed to enter. He implies that he'll stay outside with the rest and keep them company. I have no clue how reliable this is, but NMR is usually close to what the final translation is. If this is the case, looks like this week will be a very interesting chapter. EDIT: The above looks fake, according to all of the other spoilers I am reading. It seems the majority of the chapter has more to do with Jiraiya talking with one of his frogs and sending a message to Naruto. There is mention of Madara and the 1st- Jiraiya speculates that Madara was actually the one to summon the Kyuubi and there is reason for him to believe that the 4th sealed the Kyuubi into Naruto for a reason.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 13, 2007 3:27:13 GMT -5
@chibi
So that was the reason why I saw pics of Madara Uchiha already made that resembled that statue. If Tobi is Madara, it looks like he got a haircut.
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Post by girlunderglass on Sept 13, 2007 9:05:47 GMT -5
If the spoilers are anything on true, it looks like we will have to wait yet another week or so to find that answer out. Chapter 370 supposedly ends with Sasuke meeting up with Itachi, as a leave off point for the following week.
Is it possible that Itachi has lead Sasuke to the Uchiha hideout to present him to Madara/Tobi.. or is Itachi going to reveal the truth about the Uchiha massacre that Sasuke is not going to want to hear? If so, is what Itachi up to compelling enough to drag Kisame into his going against Akatsuki? Some spoilers point to Kisame being there as well to make sure Itachi and Sasuke are not interrupted.
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Post by Power on Sept 13, 2007 10:15:59 GMT -5
GUG, I also read that the the Fourth may have only sealed only one part of the demon fox into Naruto, and that the other half is left out. Im not entirely sure, but I am going to find the link and see what else the poster discovered from his overseas source, but you may know all of this already.
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