Gotterdammerung
Casual Zuko
sorry. i'm fresh out of the ability to care.
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Post by Gotterdammerung on Sept 22, 2007 17:08:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the answer.
No, seriously.
Like I've asked that numerous times on various forums and never received an actual response.
Maybe people think I'm being sarcastic or something?
So, to encourage other responses let me clarify: I am not being sarcastic when I ask this. I am not even putting forth any theories on how long Mai/Zuko will last. I am just genuinely curious exactly how long people who think that Mai/Zuko is doomed to failure think that it will last in terms of episode count.
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Silent_E
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Post by Silent_E on Sept 22, 2007 17:16:19 GMT -5
I always thought that if they were going to break up, it would be around the time Zuko decides to leave the palace. Mai is living the life right now, she may feel that Zuko worries too much but she seems kind of oblivious too how much Zuko is hurting. If Zuko does something that would get him in trouble she may become upset, fearing that he may jeopardize their relationship. Eventually Mai will side with Zuko and if they do have a falling out early on, they may get back together in the end.
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Chevalier Vi Liberté
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 22, 2007 17:16:44 GMT -5
I'd give it 12-14 episodes at best maybe and 5-8 at worst.
Edit: I think up until the final 5 episodes has it's possibilities as well but think it's less likely to go that far.
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Sept 22, 2007 17:19:14 GMT -5
I don't expect it to survive Zuko's turning away from the Fire Nation, whenever that may take place.
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Gotterdammerung
Casual Zuko
sorry. i'm fresh out of the ability to care.
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Post by Gotterdammerung on Sept 22, 2007 17:35:25 GMT -5
Wow. So that moves me to ask, what exactly is your view of the narrative purpose of Mai/Zuko? Because you clearly don't see it is Secondary Canon OTP and 3/4 of the final season of the show is a pretty huge span of airtime to feature a doomed relationship that serves no unique purpose in the story.
And I see that for some people it's not an issue of timeframe but rather a more circumstancial thing, that is the assumption being that Zuko's redemption, whenever it may take place, will necessitate the dissolution of his relationship with Mai.
A few followup questions regarding that:
1) What if Zuko isn't "redeemed" until like the last episode? 2) Do you feel that it's at all possible for Mai and Zuko to reconcile if they happen to break up due to some action Zuko takes against Azula/Ozai/The Fire Nation?
It should be noted that I am also vaguely starting to feel like I'm taking a survey.
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Post by mahatista on Sept 22, 2007 17:58:17 GMT -5
People who think Maiko is going to be temporary seem to think that Zuko will dump her. But I could seriously see her dumping him. He has no sense of humor. She needs constant stimuli to keep from complaining about being bored and he's pretty good with staring into space. He needs at least a little emotional understanding and that certainly doesn't seem to be her bag.
I think she might just kick *him* to the curb (to use very old sayings while snapping my fingers around).
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gambitia
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Post by gambitia on Sept 22, 2007 18:19:35 GMT -5
Regarding the longevity of Maiko:
My guess is Mai will be put into the position of having to choose between Azula and Zuko. She's simply put into such a perfect position to have conflicted loyalties that I would be extremely surprised if it didn't develop into a plot point.
Zuko, based on the ComicCon trailer, goes off apparently alone. I'm going to assume that the Eye Guy he sent off to "end" Aang failed, and Zuko realizes that he's got no choice but to kill the Avatar himself if he wants to keep his place in the Fire Nation. I think this will happen sometime around episodes 9-12 (I think this is where the Day of Black Sun falls?), when Aang is very near the capital. Zuko assumes that if he's quick, he can eliminate the Avatar in a day or two and make a plausible excuse for his absence--he can't be gone for weeks or Ozai will get suspicious. He does not tell Mai where he's going or why, and leaves her behind.
Zuko fails in his mission to kill Aang once and for all (He does not have the option of capturing Aang, because Ozai believes Zuko killed the Avatar and would probably be a bit PO to find out he hadn't). Azula meddles somehow (having been suspicious of Zuko's leaving), and makes it appear as if Zuko were trying to help the Avatar or some such thing that allows her to take him into custody.
Cue the "Prison Storyboard." Zuko's placed somewhere while awaiting a confrontation with his father or something, and Mai comes to visit. Mai and Zuko have the mother of all fights, and Mai leaves him in a huff. This is where my theory kind of degenerates, because I don't have enough info to suppose what happens beyond that, but somehow Mai is placed in a position where she must choose between helping Zuko--who she loves but is currently ticked as hell at--or helping Azula--who's been Mai's friend since they were babies. I like to believe she chooses Zuko, because it seems more in-character for her.
I'm probably 100% wrong, but at this time with the knowledge that I have, this is what makes most sense to me.
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tara22
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Post by tara22 on Sept 22, 2007 18:21:47 GMT -5
^ who know yet what is 'in characer' for Mai, XD
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Chevalier Vi Liberté
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 22, 2007 18:30:09 GMT -5
@hades
I thought when Zuko was leaving in the Comi-Con trailer it was to search for his mother Ursa and not to kill Aang. Obviously, his abilities to do that are limited and with his character he could not get himself to do such a thing.
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gambitia
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Post by gambitia on Sept 22, 2007 18:33:11 GMT -5
@hades I thought when Zuko was leaving in the Comi-Con trailer it was to search for his mother Ursa and not to kill Aang. Obviously, his abilities to do that are limited and with his character he could not get himself to do such a thing. We have no idea why Zuko leaves. We do know he searches for his mother, but we don't know when or how it occurs. Given Zuko's current predicament, I'm more inclined to think he's going after Aang in a last-ditch attempt to keep his standing with his father. I'm thinking he goes searching for his mother after he fails to kill Aang and thus loses his place with his father a second time.
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Silent_E
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Post by Silent_E on Sept 22, 2007 18:45:50 GMT -5
Regarding the longevity of Maiko: Cue the "Prison Storyboard." Zuko's placed somewhere while awaiting a confrontation with his father or something, and Mai comes to visit. Mai and Zuko have the mother of all fights, and Mai leaves him in a huff. This is where my theory kind of degenerates, because I don't have enough info to suppose what happens beyond that, but somehow Mai is placed in a position where she must choose between helping Zuko--who she loves but is currently ticked as hell at--or helping Azula--who's been Mai's friend since they were babies. I like to believe she chooses Zuko, because it seems more in-character for her. I agree with this and it is not the first time Azula tested Mai's loyalty. (Recalls the Tom Tom situation.) Mai may pre-maturely choose Azula again, but her heart will eventually choose Zuko. The question would be if Zuko accepts her back. This is all speculation on my part, what actually happens in the show could be completely different.
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Chevalier Vi Liberté
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Sept 22, 2007 18:55:44 GMT -5
We have no idea why Zuko leaves. We do know he searches for his mother, but we don't know when or how it occurs. Given Zuko's current predicament, I'm more inclined to think he's going after Aang in a last-ditch attempt to keep his standing with his father. I'm thinking he goes searching for his mother after he fails to kill Aang and thus loses his place with his father a second time. I just had the implication that he was going to search for his mother in that scene because of it's obvious similarites to when his mother Ursa left him. The covering of his head with a hood and looking back once before leaving/making his final decision.
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bibi
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Post by bibi on Sept 23, 2007 1:28:57 GMT -5
I've always been curious (and asked but never received an answer) about whether there is a statute of limitations on Mai/Zuko's not lasting. Like at what point will it no longer be considered clearly shortlived? Five episodes in? Ten? 2/3 of the way through the season? Right up until the final three episodes? (sarcastic mood) Even if they get married and have five children, we may not know (sarcastic mood)
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Sept 23, 2007 1:48:37 GMT -5
@hades--Good and plausible theory.
I myself am convinced that there's no way Zuko can stay on good terms with his father past 311. That's the Day of Black Sun...when Aang comes out in the open.
It was clearly stated that Zuko will get all of the shame and punishment should the Avatar turn up alive. If Ozai burns and banishes his sun for refusing to fight an Agni Kai, I can't imagine him being any more forgiving here.
Especially since the Avatar brings an invasion with him...methinks, should Ozai surive, he'll vent his anger on Zuko.
So either A) Zuko's long gone by the time the invasion happens (an idea I support)
Or B) he's punished and sent back into disgrace (possible, but, I hope for the sake of advancing his character forward, not the route they'll take).
So yes...I think the "Maiko Moment of Truth" will happen around the invasion. Seeing if Mai will stay with Zuko when he's fallen from grace will be the make it or break it moment.
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element.
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Post by element. on Sept 24, 2007 17:53:51 GMT -5
Id have to say zuko goes better with mai.. katara is like the opposite of him, and zuko and mai are both in the fire nation. in the episode the awakening, mai was like hugging him and stuff. i think zuko will end up with mai
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