Kana
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Post by Kana on Apr 7, 2007 13:24:56 GMT -5
Though I am killing my Zutara inner self, but with Zuko in the little Azula Gang, he would grow closer to Mai.
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Aanglover
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Post by Aanglover on Apr 7, 2007 13:29:31 GMT -5
Though I am killing my Zutara inner self, but with Zuko in the little Azula Gang, he would grow closer to Mai. yeah know.. i've never really thought about someone w/ zuko... but i think that maiko is the most likely ship now that he will b w/ azula's gang.... jin and song were most likely one eppie characters...i'm not a zutara shipper but katara could b a close 2nd to mai.... i guess... *dies a little inside for saying that*
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inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Apr 8, 2007 0:44:03 GMT -5
Anyway back on topic: Thanks inuyatta and nandireya for explaining the Soko vote. I don't see it as even a remote possibility, but if they did meet, it would be nice if he replaces her horse-birdy. I think the real hurt though was that she really seemed to like him, and he broke her heart. He probably has no idea that he did either. Might do him some good to realize that. You're welcome--and you're absolutely right on the last part, which opens up the possibilities.
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Post by sunshine60 on Apr 8, 2007 1:04:20 GMT -5
I don't think the Gaang would have much say in who takes the FN throne. Aang's job is only to defeat firelord Ozai, and probably along with Azula, to keep him from taking over the world, and then afterwards to preserve "the balance". After that, who are they to dictate who rules the FN? And why should something as trifling as Katara's assumed feelings of betrayal be any justification? They don't have to like the new firelord, they just have to have some common interests, like preserving the FN and stopping the war. I think Zuko would be interested in pursuing those goals. Maybe I'm giving the characters too much credit, but I would like to see them all start acting like adults at some point, when they realize that they have to put aside past differences and personal feelings to work with each other. That goes for Aang and his buddies as well as Zuko. I'm on the fence on whether Zuko would continue to follow his own story or work with the Gaang. But I do think if he is to be firelord, he will somehow gain the support he needs. He might help in taking Ozai and Azula down "from the inside", or openly lead a rebellion, or get help from the White Lotus Society or Fire Sages. Or some completely new faction could enter the scene and aid him. There's a whole 20 episodes in which a lot can happen. Well, it could end up similar to the Treaties of Versailles that ended WW 1 and 2. Defeated nation gets rule or surveillance from the victorious nations. And that "Treaty of Ba Sing Se" would most likely involved the hailed conquering heroes (The GAang obviously) as well as rulers from the other nations. Although this sort of victory and plan really only happens if a nation is wholly defeated, not with armies full of able bodied soldiers (like the defeat of the Fire Nation will most likely be). Maybe they might install a parliament of earth and water nation delegates to rule the Fire Nation rather than a nationalistic prince. You just need a big army and ensure economic prosperity for that.
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Ayse
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Post by Ayse on Apr 8, 2007 2:42:55 GMT -5
Hm, along with what others have said, if there was a "None" option, I would have chosen that one. XD
But anyway, although a lot are saying that he's more likely to be involved with Mai now that he's with Azula again, I'm still a bit skeptical about it. Because Mai is Azula's friend, and probably just simply watched Zuko got tortured by his younger sister when they were kids, I'd think that Zuko probably would want to have as much of a relationship with Mai as he does with his sister: mere aquaintences until everything's over and he regains his birthright to the throne (but then again, I haven't really thought about Mai and Zuko's relationship until five minutes ago).
That's basically the only reason why I don't think that Maiko would work, the fact that she's deeply associated with Azula, and he definately does NOT have a very good relationship with his sister, so why would he think Azula's comrads different?
Also, has anyone forgotten that Azula was asked by her father to bring back Zuko and Iroh as traitors? > >; Guess Zuko did. XD
Sorry that was long, this is my first post about any ship. XDD
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 8, 2007 12:10:01 GMT -5
I don't think the Gaang would have much say in who takes the FN throne. Aang's job is only to defeat firelord Ozai, and probably along with Azula, to keep him from taking over the world, and then afterwards to preserve "the balance". After that, who are they to dictate who rules the FN? And why should something as trifling as Katara's assumed feelings of betrayal be any justification? They don't have to like the new firelord, they just have to have some common interests, like preserving the FN and stopping the war. I think Zuko would be interested in pursuing those goals. Maybe I'm giving the characters too much credit, but I would like to see them all start acting like adults at some point, when they realize that they have to put aside past differences and personal feelings to work with each other. That goes for Aang and his buddies as well as Zuko. I'm on the fence on whether Zuko would continue to follow his own story or work with the Gaang. But I do think if he is to be firelord, he will somehow gain the support he needs. He might help in taking Ozai and Azula down "from the inside", or openly lead a rebellion, or get help from the White Lotus Society or Fire Sages. Or some completely new faction could enter the scene and aid him. There's a whole 20 episodes in which a lot can happen. Well, it could end up similar to the Treaties of Versailles that ended WW 1 and 2. Defeated nation gets rule or surveillance from the victorious nations. And that "Treaty of Ba Sing Se" would most likely involved the hailed conquering heroes (The GAang obviously) as well as rulers from the other nations. Although this sort of victory and plan really only happens if a nation is wholly defeated, not with armies full of able bodied soldiers (like the defeat of the Fire Nation will most likely be). Maybe they might install a parliament of earth and water nation delegates to rule the Fire Nation rather than a nationalistic prince. You just need a big army and ensure economic prosperity for that. My world history is very spotty, but I recall reading that the treaty made after WW1 was so grossly unfair to Germany that it fueled much resentment amongst the Germans, which in turn emphasized their nationalistic attitudes, making them all too willing to embrace Hitler's message of German superiority. And so WW2 shortly followed. That's why I'm leerly of the show having the Gaang and/or rulers of other nations taking over the FN. My prefered ending is they do their job of defeating Ozai, and then let the FN sort itself out. I don't like vengeance type stories, particularly when the original perpetrators are long dead. I think what made Zuko hurt those girls isn't any maliciousness on his part. He's usually so self-absorbed that he's oblivious to how he affects other people. It is something he needs to learn.
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Post by saki on Apr 9, 2007 7:26:19 GMT -5
I don't think Zuko is capable of forming any romantic connections whatsoever- he's way too angsty, way too problematic and way to preoccupied. And I can see why. If ever he had to end up with anybody...I think the woman will have to make the first move, and basically COURT HIM. He's totally oblivious and would never approach any girl out of fear, pride, indifference, etc. Sheesh. I can see Aang courting the girl he likes. I can see Sokka court the girl/s he likes and yes, I can even see Jet, the boys from his group, Haru and even Appa lift a muscle to go courting. But Zuko? Na-uh.
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 9, 2007 12:41:01 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with the girl doing the courting. Happens in real life all the time. Some guys like to be courted.
Even though some folks can't see Zuko in a relationship, apparently he will be if the "whipped" rumor is true. Good or bad, that at least implies he will not be indifferent or oblivious to a girl next season.
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Post by .::Alexia::. on Apr 9, 2007 13:06:52 GMT -5
I really don't like Maiko. I don't know why. (Maybe its becuase I ship Zutara) But sadly it appears that Maiko may happen. Ok back to homework. *grabs pencil* -.-
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Post by Amira on Apr 9, 2007 14:04:19 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with the girl doing the courting. Happens in real life all the time. Some guys like to be courted. Even though some folks can't see Zuko in a relationship, apparently he will be if the "whipped" rumor is true. Good or bad, that at least implies he will not be indifferent or oblivious to a girl next season. It's not that it's hard to picture Zuko in a relationship, it's just hard to picture Zuko in what some of the fandoms sees (and no I don't mean a particular ship). What I mean is that the Zuko portrayed on the show (IMO) is reserved, a bit closed off, doesn't like people getting terribly close, keeps emotions fairly hidden, is however quick to anger and doesn't always think of the feelings of others. He is not experienced romantically and is rather awkward with physical intimacy (again, IMO). Those aren't traits that show up when talking about Zuko in a relationship, at least from a bulk of the fandom's POV. I think we will get a possible relationship from Zuko by the end, I just don't think we're going to see the passionate love-god portions of the fandom make him to be.
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 9, 2007 15:24:17 GMT -5
^^I agree, he has been very closed off and self-absorbed. I think he had started to open up and gain some self control and regard for others though in the last few episodes of season 2. But many in the fandom didn't like that, which I don't understand. I guess it was too much a sudden change.
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Post by luthien on Apr 10, 2007 8:00:47 GMT -5
I think the possibilities, until we see and know more of Season 3, are still endless. Yes, we know about certain interactions, but in the end? Who knows? Zuko might just wind up on his own. I wouldn't be surprised, since he still has a lot to figure out about himself, and I don't know if he'll be able to do that while having a girlfriend. Gotta get right by yourself before you can do right by others, you know?
That said, I think the two females he will have the most interaction with this season (other than Azula, of course) will be Mai and Katara. Mai in the beginning of the season, maybe Katara towards the end? I don't think the possibility of her forgiving him and healing his scar was tossed out there just for the heck of it. I think that scene in "The Crossroards of Destiny" was in there for a reason - as well as the whole "I thought you had changed/I have changed" exchange during their fight. And if all that was was fanservice, then I would be highly disappointed in Mike and Bryan. My hope is that Zuko and Katara get closer (not necessarily romantically, but as friends). I think for Zuko to truly be redeemed and become that "beautiful prince" he *needs* to be forgiven by the GAang.
One of the main reasons I'm apprehensive about Zuko and Mai is that it stands in the way of him getting closer to the GAang. I really, really want him to join. I know some people think that would take away from Zuko, but I think the only way Ozai is going down is by both sides working together. It's been foreshadowed more than once, so I for one would like to see it happen.
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Post by wildimagination on Apr 10, 2007 11:23:49 GMT -5
Ooh, good points! However, I don't think there'll be any more nicey-nice betwrern Zuko and Katara at all. She's so mad at him.
And about Zuko needing forgiveness from the Gaang, Zuko and Aang don't like each other to begin with. I don't see how forgiveness is possible.
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Post by stinkypinky on Apr 10, 2007 11:27:20 GMT -5
But if the gaang aren't able to forgive then who will start the forgiving? Aang being the Avatar has to be fair, he has to let his problems aside, and has to to do his role, be a balancer, if the gaang isn't able to forgive the misdeeds of Zuko or the FN then the world is going to follow Aang's example.
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airbender92
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Post by airbender92 on Apr 10, 2007 11:28:15 GMT -5
I chose Zutara because that’s my ship, but if there was I would have picked none he's not ready for a relationship he's one confused teenager hehe
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