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Post by frozenwind141 on Apr 6, 2007 9:07:30 GMT -5
Honestly, trying to forget as much bias as I can; Maiko is the most likely ship. The recent spoliers can be argued to death but if you just take them in there most obvious manner it implys that Maiko has really got the biggest chance.
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Post by wwe1415 on Apr 6, 2007 10:03:33 GMT -5
Maiko of course I'm really beginning to like it
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Post by Ana on Apr 6, 2007 12:14:55 GMT -5
I just don't want to see Zuko completely lose his personality and turn into Mai's whipping boy. Zuko's been abused enough in his life. I really doubt Zuko will loose his personality and become Mai’s plaything. The “Mai has Zuko so whipped” comment, to me, sounds she just has him under his thumb or his the dominant one in the relationship. If Zuko does have feelings for Mai I can see him doing dweeby things to try and woo her which could possibly earn him the place under her thumb. Just because Zuko will be interacting with Mei does not mean that he will feel anything for her. No, but it does put Maiko on better grounds than Zutara. Zuko and Katara are still enemies and could end up barely speaking this season for all we know. As for the most likely Zuko ship, basis aside I think it’s Maiko because that is the only option with reoccurring characters and established romantic feelings.
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 6, 2007 12:28:18 GMT -5
Who voted for Soko, and why? I'm curious How will they meet again, and what's she going to say about the horse-birdy?
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Post by tara22 on Apr 6, 2007 14:02:30 GMT -5
I just don't want to see Zuko completely lose his personality and turn into Mai's whipping boy. Zuko's been abused enough in his life. I really doubt Zuko will loose his personality and become Mai’s plaything. The “Mai has Zuko so whipped” comment, to me, sounds she just has him under his thumb or his the dominant one in the relationship. If Zuko does have feelings for Mai I can see him doing dweeby things to try and woo her which could possibly earn him the place under her thumb. Being under someone's thumb is very OOC for Zuko and to me it would seem like it's not the same Zuko and it wouldn't be a positive change for him. I wouldn't want to see Zuko all gooey and dweeby over anyone (Katara included) because there are enough crushes on this show. A mutual, equal, caring relationship - I don't mind seeing. But from my POV, being 'under someone's thumb' doesn't sound like a nice place to be, nor does being 'dominated' by someone. I don't think anyone would want to see Katara, Aang or Sokka in that kind of relationship, why put the most emotionally confused, socially challenged character through something like that, what good could come from it besides another life lesson/more character development? Well, maybe that's what it's meant to be, I won't know till I see it I guess...
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Post by azularoxmysox on Apr 6, 2007 15:50:28 GMT -5
I heard there's a spoiler somewhere that says Mai will have Zuko whipped. Where is that?!
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Post by Coral on Apr 6, 2007 15:51:39 GMT -5
Mai of course. We know that Mai likes Zuko already, that they know each other (to an unknown extent) and that Zuko will have the chance, once the Season 3 starts, to see Mai, like, every single day.
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Post by inuyatta on Apr 6, 2007 21:24:37 GMT -5
aangryjerk: I don't know who voted Soko, as i voted 'I don't care', but in case they don't come back and see this, I think most of our ship believes Soko will be the relationship in the end--like towards the very end. That's always been our longstanding theory, because eventually Zuko has to start making amends.
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Post by nandireya on Apr 6, 2007 22:43:57 GMT -5
Who voted for Soko, and why? I'm curious How will they meet again, and what's she going to say about the horse-birdy? I'm tempted to vote for Zujin 'cos it looks lonely But Zuko could meet up with Song on his way back home...she's over the west side of the Earth Kingdom isn't she? He may wish to make amends, or, if he's on the run from his sister, he may be injured and turn to her for help...
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Post by wildimagination on Apr 6, 2007 23:05:54 GMT -5
It's a tie between Maiko and Zujin.
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Apr 7, 2007 1:59:01 GMT -5
I just don't want to see Zuko completely lose his personality and turn into Mai's whipping boy. Zuko's been abused enough in his life. I really doubt Zuko will loose his personality and become Mai’s plaything. The “Mai has Zuko so whipped” comment, to me, sounds she just has him under his thumb or his the dominant one in the relationship. If Zuko does have feelings for Mai I can see him doing dweeby things to try and woo her which could possibly earn him the place under her thumb. Just because Zuko will be interacting with Mei does not mean that he will feel anything for her. No, but it does put Maiko on better grounds than Zutara. Zuko and Katara are still enemies and could end up barely speaking this season for all we know. As for the most likely Zuko ship, basis aside I think it’s Maiko because that is the only option with reoccurring characters and established romantic feelings. If Katara and Zuko barely speak to each other than that means Zuko will not be Firelord. After all, what kind of idiot allows someone who changes alliances at the last minute to become the ruler after a regime change from a bloodthirsty dictator. You put someone in place that you know well who you can work with. In order for there to be a happy ending, Zuko has to work with the gaang but then maybe you don't want there to be a happy ending.
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Post by ktscarlet on Apr 7, 2007 9:31:25 GMT -5
If Katara and Zuko barely speak to each other than that means Zuko will not be Firelord. After all, what kind of idiot allows someone who changes alliances at the last minute to become the ruler after a regime change from a bloodthirsty dictator. You put someone in place that you know well who you can work with. In order for there to be a happy ending, Zuko has to work with the gaang but then maybe you don't want there to be a happy ending. I am not exactly sure what you mean by this, but I will try to respond. xD Zuko doesn’t have to join the group for there to be a “Happy Ending”, Aang and the gang have gotten through challenges without the help of Zuko, why do they need him? Besides different people have different opinions about a Happy Ending. Some people hope that Zuko becomes Fire Lord and doesn’t join the group, while others hope for him to become an alliance with the gang. So it is all a matter of opinion in my view.
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Post by lunauc on Apr 7, 2007 9:59:20 GMT -5
If Katara and Zuko barely speak to each other than that means Zuko will not be Firelord. After all, what kind of idiot allows someone who changes alliances at the last minute to become the ruler after a regime change from a bloodthirsty dictator. You put someone in place that you know well who you can work with. In order for there to be a happy ending, Zuko has to work with the gaang but then maybe you don't want there to be a happy ending. I am not exactly sure what you mean by this, but I will try to respond. xD Zuko doesn’t have to join the group for there to be a “Happy Ending”, Aang and the gang have gotten through challenges without the help of Zuko, why do they need him? Besides different people have different opinions about a Happy Ending. Some people hope that Zuko becomes Fire Lord and doesn’t join the group, while others hope for him to become an alliance with the gang. So it is all a matter of opinion in my view. I think I understand what she means. Basically, if Zuko comes to be the new Fire Lord without having built some kind of trust or understanding with the Gaang before hand, nothing will have really changed. After all, you would still have a Fire Lord on the throne who hates the Avatar. So, if there is no developement between him and the members of the Gaang, the only way you get a happy ending is if cartoon code takes over and his previous feelings are completely slighted in order for sparkling rainbow happiness to prevail. Of course taking Ozai from power and trying to raise up the banished prince as the new Fire Lord, realistically would spark possible revolt and bloody civil war, which also doesn't make for a very happy ending. So, such serious issues are likely to be glossed over for the happy ending to occur.
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Post by Ana on Apr 7, 2007 11:00:25 GMT -5
In order for there to be a happy ending, Zuko has to work with the gaang but then maybe you don't want there to be a happy ending. ...I was only making a suggestion. Truly, I think Zuko and Katara will interact because they have unfinished business the same way Zuko and Song do (Zuko has to make up for his wrongdoings). However, I disagree that Zuko has to join the Bison Buddies for there to be a happy ending. I wouldn't want to see Zuko all gooey and dweeby over anyone (Katara included) because there are enough crushes on this show. A mutual, equal, caring relationship - I don't mind seeing. But from my POV, being 'under someone's thumb' doesn't sound like a nice place to be, nor does being 'dominated' by someone. Well. If you’re going to see Zutara anytime soon you’re going to see some form of dweeby actions because, as of now, Zuko isn’t sure how to deal with women. And I didn’t mean “under her thumb” is the sense that she has complete control over him but in the sense that she’s the dominate one in the relationship. And meh, I don’t think Maiko will see the light if turns out the way you’re implying (as it will leave a horrible impression on our younger viewers).
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Post by aangryjerk on Apr 7, 2007 11:52:51 GMT -5
I don't think the Gaang would have much say in who takes the FN throne. Aang's job is only to defeat firelord Ozai, and probably along with Azula, to keep him from taking over the world, and then afterwards to preserve "the balance".
After that, who are they to dictate who rules the FN? And why should something as trifling as Katara's assumed feelings of betrayal be any justification? They don't have to like the new firelord, they just have to have some common interests, like preserving the FN and stopping the war. I think Zuko would be interested in pursuing those goals.
Maybe I'm giving the characters too much credit, but I would like to see them all start acting like adults at some point, when they realize that they have to put aside past differences and personal feelings to work with each other. That goes for Aang and his buddies as well as Zuko.
I'm on the fence on whether Zuko would continue to follow his own story or work with the Gaang. But I do think if he is to be firelord, he will somehow gain the support he needs. He might help in taking Ozai and Azula down "from the inside", or openly lead a rebellion, or get help from the White Lotus Society or Fire Sages. Or some completely new faction could enter the scene and aid him. There's a whole 20 episodes in which a lot can happen.
Anyway back on topic: Thanks inuyatta and nandireya for explaining the Soko vote. I don't see it as even a remote possibility, but if they did meet, it would be nice if he replaces her horse-birdy. I think the real hurt though was that she really seemed to like him, and he broke her heart. He probably has no idea that he did either. Might do him some good to realize that.
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