Lisa31468
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Post by Lisa31468 on Apr 1, 2008 19:22:29 GMT -5
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kaibasgirl
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Post by kaibasgirl on Apr 3, 2008 2:01:48 GMT -5
That would be kind of cool. But I thought that BM and CW never ended up together? They had a daughter, the Huntress, in one continuity. Does that qualify as "together"? An enemy with romantic vibes- another way Mai would fulfill a role commonly given to Katara in fanon (and, once again, thanks entirely to American Dragon Jake Long). Really? I never knew that. Well, then again, I'm not really into comics. Besides, I thought it was Batman and Wonder Woman who had a thing going on? LOL. No. Mai would not fulfill enemy role because she would never, ever, ever hurt Zuko the way Katara would like to hurt Zuko. But I guess if you're talking about American Dragon enemy role, I can see it, if only a little bit. oh, btw guys, take a look at this ;D I love you Maiko!!! <333
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Apr 3, 2008 10:28:43 GMT -5
They had a daughter, the Huntress, in one continuity. Does that qualify as "together"? Really? I never knew that. Well, then again, I'm not really into comics. Me neither. I read that at the Tv Tropes wiki. Yes, Zuko definitely has reason to be more afraid of Katara than Mai... which Zutarians see as "romantic." They should hope Katara and Zuko never get together and start making out and acting lovey-dovey; that's all Mai and Zuko do, and apparently, it's the least romantic thing in the world.
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kaibasgirl
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Post by kaibasgirl on Apr 4, 2008 0:00:53 GMT -5
LOL. Well, you have to look at it from their POV. Zutara is based on conflict turning into affection, so the fact that the conflict has reached a new level, and we actually see it happening (as opposed to when it's in fanfiction/art, which is never canon), it's very exciting, because it gives Zutarians something new to work with, plus I don't think they ever imagined it would reach a point where Katara's threatening Zuko's life XD
I think that with Maiko, it's so out in the open, + there was like, no development for it, it just makes it seem unexciting to most people.
but we all know that's a lie, because Maiko can never be boring <3
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Apr 4, 2008 12:33:26 GMT -5
I mean when Mai and Zuko make out and talk sappily to each other, it's called cheesy, boring, and shallow. If Katara ahd been the one cuddling and making out with Zuko in all those scenes, I know they wouldn't call it cheesy and boring and shallow but hot and heavy and romantic and the only logical expectation. Ooh, poster idea...
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Apr 4, 2008 23:30:48 GMT -5
but we all know that's a lie, because Maiko can never be boring <3 Agreed. At this point, Mai and Zuko’s interactions have all been about regular day to day couple stuff but it has an epic feel to it too. A flame mutual love kept through many years and a flame love that they don’t have for anyone else. <3 If Katara ahd been the one cuddling and making out with Zuko in all those scenes, I know they wouldn't call it cheesy and boring and shallow but hot and heavy and romantic and the only logical expectation. Well, I don’t know about that. Zutarains would obviously be more biased to enjoy they scene because it’s Zutara but I think Zutarains also like a different type of romance. Like kaiba said, they like conflict -> attraction and Maiko is just plain old attraction. Well, and trust, pushing each other to be better people, etc.
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Apr 5, 2008 8:20:14 GMT -5
[sarcasm]Yeah, and who wants a relationship that's fun and romantic and full of love and attraction when you can have a relationship full of hate and angst and death threats and mutual disgust?[/sarcasm]
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kaibasgirl
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Post by kaibasgirl on Apr 5, 2008 23:54:27 GMT -5
[sarcasm]Yeah, and who wants a relationship that's fun and romantic and full of love and attraction when you can have a relationship full of hate and angst and death threats and mutual disgust?[/sarcasm] Totally. I mean, the former would never even cross my mind ;D but seriously, Zutara is about two enemies accepting each other's differences and forming a strong bond of love between them. It's about crossing mountains and oceans to be with the one you love. It's about struggle, and struggling till the end, until you finally have what your heart desires, which is to be near the one you love. Maiko doesn't really have that, so in your average Zutarians eyes, the love is rather diminished, because it doesn't come with blazing lights and an epic story. Maiko is a tale about two people who loved, who lost, and who loved again once more <3 which is, IMO, the charm of it all. I don't know, I think both ships have something special too them, I just perfer Maiko a bit more, because it's not your average TV romance, it's more than that. Their relationship runs deep, but it's subtle, so you have to look at the small things they do, and read into the depth behind it <3 and jill, I don't think Zutarians would've been all-too-happy if Zutara came about the same way Maiko did. I mean, maybe for the pretty pretty screencaps XD but otherwise, it would've felt too poorly done.
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Apr 6, 2008 13:36:51 GMT -5
Zutara is about two enemies accepting each other's differences and forming a strong bond of love between them. It's about crossing mountains and oceans to be with the one you love. It's about struggle, and struggling till the end, until you finally have what your heart desires, which is to be near the one you love. Accept, they don't really have that. Zutarians created that on their own. Yes, the creators could have written that plot, but they didn't. How can you like something that doesn't exist? I just don't get it. People may think I'm being insulting, but I really just. Don't. Get. It. People in the real world who have relationships that are all about hurting each other get therapy, or are expected to. Maiko is so realistic: beautiful and charming but not perfect and no cakewalk. And it has been good for both of them (see the above screenshots). When Katara had the chance to be good for Zuko, she ran from it right back to Aang (as she very well should have; a Goddess can only support one hero). Mai, in canon, has done everything for Zuko that Katara does for him in fan fiction: calling him on his craziness, being there for him when he angsts, flirting and making out, maybe even more than that if you know what I mean. If you don't believe direct and open romance is, well, romantic, then of course you won't like it, but that's not realistic, and Avatar does realism; sitcoms and cliche anime where hate=love don't.
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kaibasgirl
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Post by kaibasgirl on Apr 7, 2008 0:36:56 GMT -5
Allow me to introduce myself. The whole reason I started watching Avatar in the first place was because of the Taang ship. Not to mention that I'm a HUGE Sokkla-obsessed shipper. In fact, I spend much time writing up fanfiction for those two ships, especially the latter, not to mention browsing/requesting/commissioning art of those two ships, dreaming about their relationships, how they'd get together, what their lives will be like, how many kids they'll have, and in short, going nuts over every single Taang & Sokkla moment in canon, and coming to their respective threads/comms and gushing all over it till every single moment has been disected, analyzed, and discussed about 976846549864.8 times. and both of them don't exist in canon True, but Zutara is not an abusive relationship. Ever read Pride & Prejudice? Well, I haven't, but from what I've heard about it, it's similar to how the Zutara relationship works out. You can call Katara's threat to Zuko kinky even XD but seriously, that's what's so attractive about the relationship. The fact that there is friction there, and that friction gets resolved and fromed into something neither of them would ever have dreamed of. It's not to say that it's better than Maiko, or less than Maiko, it's just a different kind of relationship. Like Kataang started out with Aang crushing on Katara, and then Katara hearing some random prophecy, which then got her thinking that maybe the guy for her is Aang >__> some people simply can't stand their relationship, because they don't like it, or the way it came about. That doesn't mean Kataang is worthless, just in the eyes of those who don't ship it It's like apples and pears. Some people like apples, some people like pears. There's nothing wrong with liking apples and disliking pears, and there's nothing wrong with liking pears and disliking apples, it's just different tastes. Hell yes! ;D but you're forgetting that Zutara is also realistic. I believe luthien said somewhere in the Kataang vs. Zutara thread how the relationship with her husband came about similar to Zutara and there have been many instances of bad guy falling for good girl and vice versa. Just like there have been many stories of princesses marrying peasants and the like. Just because their oft-used in fairy tales, doesn't make them unrealistic. Even fairy tales are based off of real life
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Apr 7, 2008 8:56:53 GMT -5
and there have been many instances of bad guy falling for good girl and vice versa. Just like there have been many stories of princesses marrying peasants and the like. Just because their oft-used in fairy tales... That's the problem -- it's been used too much. The first fairy tale, maybe even the first hundred, to do that were original. Now, it's only natural to expect that when you've got a prince(ss) and a peasant from warring cultures. Cue the forbidden love! Not all love has to be like that, and I'm relieved the Avatar writers didn't do the predictable star-crossed lovers romance (well, Aang's love for Katara is sort-of forbidden, but in a different way). Yes, the each-to-his-own argument is right, too.
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kaibasgirl
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Post by kaibasgirl on Apr 7, 2008 9:54:16 GMT -5
In the same vain, I can complain that Kataang is waay overdone. I can list at least ten shows that are/were playing during the time Avatar came out, that had the same "Best friends fall in love" scenario. Not to mention it's main guy gets main girl, which is waay overdone as well.
I was absolutely THRILLED when they did Maiko, because it had none of the clichés that have run rampant through shows up until now. It's part of what makes the ship so special <3 ^^
not really. It would have been, had he been forced to give her up for the sake of the Avatar State, or if he had to choose between AS and "Forever Girl", but it's not. The writers totally ruined any *enjoyable* drama this ship could possibly have had, by revealing that Roku got married and had a family.
So really, it'll probably have that same sappy, cliché happy ending that all kids shows have >__>
but that's a different discussion for a different thread XD
Back to Maiko.
OMGILOVETHISSHIPSOFREAKINGMUCH!!!!! <333
I think I'm going to attempt to make some icons out of the many pretty pretty screen caps of them together! <333
oh, and,
-karma- for that. Sadly, you're one of the very few hard core shippers out there who actually agree to that statement, and don't try to force people to see things the way you do ^^
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Ana
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Post by Ana on Apr 7, 2008 14:23:22 GMT -5
In the same vain, I can complain that Kataang is waay overdone. I can list at least ten shows that are/were playing during the time Avatar came out, that had the same "Best friends fall in love" scenario. You know, if Taang came to pass it would follow this cliché too. I can think of some other categories it would go that would at least be very easy for a show like Avatar (e.g. let’s pair everyone with their elemental opposite) to do... That said, that’s why I don’t like pulling out the "cliché" card. You can say almost anything under the sun is a cliché and it’ll just be just opinion anyway. There is anything wrong with that but let’s get back to our mutual opinion that Maiko is awesome. I hope you do! Judging by your amusing icon and nice Sokkla icons a while ago, you make some nice ones. On this vein, there should be more Maiko icons for "Night mares and Daydreams". They were so sweet and happy together in that episode but I've only found a few icons.
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kaibasgirl
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Post by kaibasgirl on Apr 7, 2008 14:28:52 GMT -5
You got me there ana touché. aw, thank you! ^^
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Apr 7, 2008 15:29:18 GMT -5
There should be more Maiko icons for "Night mares and Daydreams". They were so sweet and happy together in that episode but I've only found a few icons. Probably because the best ones you could get out of those images wouldn't be G-rated ;D
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