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Post by Fire Lord Azula on May 16, 2009 10:20:28 GMT -5
I am sorry then, I did not know you were trying to be nice about it and the whole fanon/crack thing. Seeing how much you hate and despise the pairing, I was biased and thought you were being negative towards it. And well, no one likes to come across people saying "Kill it with fire!!" when referring to their ships, I guess. I meant no negativity and could have used another pairing, one I feel complete neutrality toward, with the exact same wording. I used Sokkla because that was what was given to me by the OP. You recently posted a very nice drawing of Azula on deviantART, and I would've liked to have told you so, but your commentary to go with the artwork didn't make me feel welcome because I happen to like Azula-slash. This isn't the only piece of artwork I've seen of yours with pejorative sentiment toward slashers. And rest assured that I wouldn't have said one word about Sokkla: I would be praising your artistic skill and nothing more. I've noticed your tendency to bash Ursa ( you "hate her with all your being"; I don't even dislike Sokkla that much ) -- and while it's your right to, it isn't exactly a nice thing to do, is it? Maybe some people feel hurt by that, too. I apologize if that LJ comment offended you, but it bore no reflection on Sokkla fans. As I said, I have friends that like the pairing, and they're aware I don't care for it, or any other Azula-het pairing, for that matter. It hasn't impeded our friendship. Well, subtext is very relative. One can see Azula's friendship towards Ty Lee as something more, and others can see it as a simple friendship. Subtext does not make points for a pairing, as it is only related to what the viewer wants to see. This is true, but if we were to classify pairings by "canon", "fanon", and "crack", subtext is an integral tool. Classification was the topic of discussion in this thread when I posted. For example, while you see no subtext for the Sokka/Azula pairing, I can see tons of it. I can start it with the Oma/Shu issue, while stopping at DoBS and ending it with Sokka's last picture in Iroh's tea shop. You may believe it's stupid, but then again, lots of subtext issues for pairings have shades of gray and different interpretations. It's not stupid -- it's subjective. I can and will agree that subtext is often a gray area and almost always open to interpretation. One could also argue that prior to the season 2 finale, there was no positive Zutara interactions either but Zutara has always been referred to as a fanon ship. The interaction in The Waterbending Scroll sparked interest in Zutara, I believe. From their first meeting, they were touted as being fanon. I never personally agreed with that, since their interaction was completely negative and without affection, but to each their own. But seeing that I misunderstood your words about the issue, my apologies. You have my apologies as well. Because like you might have been all "wtf is this surd talking about" when you read my post, I am tired of slash fans jumping at my throat for daring to say that Azula likes peen. Not everybody is willing to listen to what I might think about the matter. I never pretended to impose my pairing to anyone. To each their own. And similarly, I'm tired of facing the ugliness of homophobia for daring to suggest Azula likes girls. I'm sorry you've had bad experiences. Both sides have their zealots.
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Post by Ilah on May 16, 2009 13:36:47 GMT -5
You recently posted a very nice drawing of Azula on deviantART, and I would've liked to have told you so, but your commentary to go with the artwork didn't make me feel welcome because I happen to like Azula-slash. This isn't the only piece of artwork I've seen of yours with pejorative sentiment toward slashers.
My comment in that drawing was merely me saying that it's hard to find non-slashy fanwork of Azula, because Azula-slash seems to be the mainstream tendency in this fandom. Is saying that I find this tendency disturbing so offensive? I am sorry then. I did not attack slashers for that matter, nor say that they are bad people or idiots or anything. Nearly every friend I have in many fandoms and real life, like slash in one way or another. I don't feel welcome in a lot of places for liking het!Azula hate, so I empathize with the sentiment. Fire_Prodigy comm at LJ, for example.
My apologies if I made you, or any of your fellow friends, feel bad.
I've noticed your tendency to bash Ursa ( you "hate her with all your being"; I don't even dislike Sokkla that much ) -- and while it's your right to, it isn't exactly a nice thing to do, is it? Maybe some people feel hurt by that, too.
Why should people, or Ursa fans for that matter, feel bad because I hate her? It's my opinion, not an atomic bomb. And I am not even important or that known. I did not say "If you like Ursa you are an idiot" (and I've been called this for saying that I like het!Azula), I just said that I think she's a betch and I don't like her. As I do not like Zuko, Katara or Suki. I see no big deal in how can this upset people when I did not post it in a comm or a forum, but my DA page, which hardly anyone visits. But if you happened to visit it and felt bad, I am sorry.
Maybe I should stop commenting the crap I upload to DA, seeing it causes so much controversy.
And similarly, I'm tired of facing the ugliness of homophobia for daring to suggest Azula likes girls. I'm sorry you've had bad experiences. Both sides have their zealots.
I don't recall, even being the basher I am, to have ever called pejorative names to a person for liking something that I don't like.
In my case, not liking Azula-slash, is not equivalent to being homophobic. I make a very huge difference between slash, yaoi or yuri, and REAL people enjoying their way of living their sexuality. Slash mostly involves fangirls squeeing with their slash pairing, be it yaoi or yuri, and the same can be told about the het ones, and their squeeing is often refered to fictional characters, not real people.
And being this a kid's show, where the sexuality of a character is merely a secondary matter, the slash as the het here is almost people squeeing all over their thoughts about how they want this character's sexuality to be. It can't be compared to real life business.
I do not belive not liking slash equals to homophobia, at least, that is not my particular case. But I comprehend that you may think I am, you are not the first person to tell me so.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on May 18, 2009 12:55:24 GMT -5
My comment in that drawing was merely me saying that it's hard to find non-slashy fanwork of Azula, because Azula-slash seems to be the mainstream tendency in this fandom. This does seem to be the case, though I often bump into Azula-het on my travels for Azula fanworks. Is saying that I find this tendency disturbing so offensive? I am sorry then. That wasn't the comment I was referring to; it had something to do with people "whoring [Azula] with the rest of the female cast". Perhaps I'm being overly-sensitive, being that slashers are attacked for their preferences more frequently than one might realize. I've never seen anyone make a similar remark about Azula being paired with males. Why should people, or Ursa fans for that matter, feel bad because I hate her? It's my opinion, not an atomic bomb. And I am not even important or that known. I did not say "If you like Ursa you are an idiot" (and I've been called this for saying that I like het!Azula), I just said that I think she's a betch and I don't like her. But this ties into opinions as a whole. Why should anyone care if I dislike Sokkla? As long as fans of a character/pairing aren't being bashed ( and I have never called Sokkla fans idiots; I'm not sure where you've been called that by slashers, but I think it's uncalled for, and I'm sorry for their ignorance ). Though what I've said about Sokkla is comparatively mild to "f______ b____", re: Ursa. If you were to say that about a real-life person, it might hurt someone's feelings. While she's indisputably a cartoon character, some people do form attachments and may take offense to stronger language ( and I have seen it happen ) -- that's all I was saying. I do not belive not liking slash equals to homophobia, at least, that is not my particular case. But I comprehend that you may think I am, you are not the first person to tell me so. I wasn't citing you as being homophobic. I was referring to other comments, on this forum and other places, that were highly prejudiced and ignorant. My comment regarding my vexation about homophobia wasn't centered upon you at all; I, in fact, have seen your disclaimers stating you simply don't like Azula-slash and do not apply that principle in real-life, and I believe you, for what it might be worth to you.
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Post by Ilah on May 18, 2009 14:30:46 GMT -5
That wasn't the comment I was referring to; it had something to do with people "whoring [Azula] with the rest of the female cast". Perhaps I'm being overly-sensitive, being that slashers are attacked for their preferences more frequently than one might realize. I've never seen anyone make a similar remark about Azula being paired with males.
I was referring to that comment. If you act over-sensitive about that, why judge me because I reacted bad to your Sokkla-hate statements? Perhaps I am over-sensitive to Het!Azula hate coming from slashers too frequently too. You go anywhere, and voice that you like Azula paired with males and you get mobbed. You've never seen anyone say that about Azula being paired with males because hardly anyone does that, and if they do, they get mobbed.
But this ties into opinions as a whole. Why should anyone care if I dislike Sokkla? As long as fans of a character/pairing aren't being bashed ( and I have never called Sokkla fans idiots; I'm not sure where you've been called that by slashers, but I think it's uncalled for, and I'm sorry for their ignorance ). Though what I've said about Sokkla is comparatively mild to "f______ b____", re: Ursa. If you were to say that about a real-life person, it might hurt someone's feelings. While she's indisputably a cartoon character, some people do form attachments and may take offense to stronger language ( and I have seen it happen ) -- that's all I was saying.
Double standards?? If your comments about Sokkla were in no way directed to the fans like you say above, mine about Ursa were not directed to fans either, and you called me a basher for doing so. Why can't I say that I hate Ursa in my own DA page?? I was not insulting anyone when I did that. And come on, don't make me look like I'll call that to a real person in real life because I said that about a cartoon character =__=.
I love Azula. I really love her character and everything about her. I hate when people do bad jokes about her or call her Crazula. And lots of people do that, I am sure you are aware. I choose to ignore them, because it's pointless argue with them and this will only result in me having headaches. They want to call her Crazula and laugh at her? Let them betch in peace. I know how I feel about Azula and that's enough.
Maybe my comment about my dislike of Ursa was very unfortunate, but so have been yours about Sokkla. I've already apologized if my comment about her hurt you, I am not perfect and I make mistakes. I'll be sure to not comment any of my crappy drawings again. And really, if you dispise my actitude so much and consider me a basher, I don't know why you bother to go to my gallery :s
My comment regarding my vexation about homophobia wasn't centered upon you at all;
I am glad we made it clear.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on May 18, 2009 22:23:53 GMT -5
I was referring to that comment. If you act over-sensitive about that, why judge me because I reacted bad to your Sokkla-hate statements? Perhaps I am over-sensitive to Het!Azula hate coming from slashers too frequently too. You go anywhere, and voice that you like Azula paired with males and you get mobbed. You've never seen anyone say that about Azula being paired with males because hardly anyone does that, and if they do, they get mobbed. I wasn't judging you. What I said was unfortunate, and I apologize if it made you feel bad. I don't go around trying to offend people. I try to be tactful, but, like you and everyone else, I'm not perfect and make mistakes. I made a mistake that day. I don't feel any differently about the pairing than I did at the time, but I'll choose my words much more carefully next time. It was never my intention to arouse hurt feelings. I don't want to fight with you. We Azula fans are at times a rare commodity, and it's a shame we can't seem to stick together. Talk of redemption and pairings often tears us apart. Where are you going that you get mobbed? I frequent a lot of Avatar fansites, and I rarely see anything like that. Double standards?? If your comments about Sokkla were in no way directed to the fans like you say above, mine about Ursa were not directed to fans either, and you called me a basher for doing so. Why can't I say that I hate Ursa in my own DA page?? I was not insulting anyone when I did that. And come on, don't make me look like I'll call that to a real person in real life because I said that about a cartoon character =__=. You can say anything you like on your dA page, however you like. That's how free speech works. I was saying that it might offend people. Was I personally offended? No. Just that your wording might come across as strong to some people, and why. I love Azula. I really love her character and everything about her. I hate when people do bad jokes about her or call her Crazula. And lots of people do that, I am sure you are aware. I choose to ignore them, because it's pointless argue with them and this will only result in me having headaches. They want to call her Crazula and laugh at her? Let them betch in peace. I know how I feel about Azula and that's enough. Now that's something we can agree on, no question. Maybe my comment about my dislike of Ursa was very unfortunate, but so have been yours about Sokkla. I've already apologized if my comment about her hurt you, I am not perfect and I make mistakes. I'll be sure to not comment any of my crappy drawings again. Agree to disagree, then? You'll feel as you do about Ursa, and I'll feel as I do about Sokkla. Again, I'm sorry. You shouldn't feel the need to stop commenting on any of your drawings, and they're actually very good. I like to look at nice things. I consider your drawings such. And really, if you dispise my actitude so much and consider me a basher, I don't know why you bother to go to my gallery :s I don't despise you at all. If I did, I wouldn't even try to straighten this out with you. You're speaking as though I can't stand you, which isn't true. If you can't stand me, I can't do much about that but offer an apology. Re: your gallery... I find your drawings through dA's search engine. They pop up with the query "Azula". Because they're of Azula by herself, I look at them. I am glad we made it clear. I am, too.
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Post by aurawind on May 20, 2009 16:52:46 GMT -5
Hum... can I say something about Azula? Well... I´m not a Sokkla shipper... I ship HAHNZULA! * with optional sparkles* XD I really love this ship, because both are proud, boastful and awesome. And Hahn deserves love! I wrote a fanfiction about them a year ago...
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Post by Appayipyip the Klingon on May 24, 2009 19:56:18 GMT -5
HERE'S a supposed "crackship" for you! Sernagi! (At least, that's what I believe it's called.) It's the "relationship" between the Serpent of Serpent's Pass and the Unagi of Kyoshi Island.
It just seems like even though that would NEVER happen, they kind of go together.
-They are both freaky sea creatures -They are both kind of eelish in shape -They both love to terrorize people -They also are not good to ride on.
So...yeah.
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Post by aurawind on May 25, 2009 12:24:05 GMT -5
haha, Sernagi rocks!
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Post by goofballmcspazz on Aug 30, 2009 17:56:10 GMT -5
My fav crackship = Zhao/Ozai ...and Ursa/Azula . Basically. Ya'll so crazy.
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Post by kolibri [thread killer] on Jul 2, 2010 0:20:49 GMT -5
Azhao: Azula/Zhao. Ozee Sparky/The Boulder = OTP
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Post by pielord on Jul 3, 2010 13:42:49 GMT -5
I think Azula's only real ship was with power...
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Post by kolibri [thread killer] on Jul 5, 2010 22:30:46 GMT -5
^ Indeed!
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Post by Avatar_Reborn on Mar 26, 2011 7:14:43 GMT -5
After looking through the last page it seems crackships are more serious business then I thought. Anyway my favorite crackship is Zukka. I searched the term and came up with nothing here, where's all the Zukka love? Or does it go by alternate name here?
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Post by asian malaysian on Mar 28, 2011 23:16:51 GMT -5
^ What do you mean by Zukka?
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Post by Avatar_Reborn on Mar 29, 2011 6:09:10 GMT -5
Zuko/Sokka
Yeah it's slash...
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