kaibasgirl
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Post by kaibasgirl on Dec 21, 2007 1:50:53 GMT -5
And that's your opinion as well ^_^
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Post by Amira on Dec 21, 2007 1:53:01 GMT -5
True, but like the Zutarians are a little tired of seeing "Zutara is dead!" I'm a little tired of seeing "Kataang is boring."
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Post by marvel26 on Dec 21, 2007 1:56:06 GMT -5
Humour and heart is needed.
That's true.
So's good characterization.
I like romance and have enjoyed what's been showed so far.
But now it's crunch time, so to speak, and the characters have got to step up. Worrying about the one's they love is good, it'd be a tad weird if they didn't.
What's I'm trying to say is everything's good, in small doses.
We've got 9, 10 episodes left.
I just don't want to see them filled with unrelated love issues.
Kataang is a related issue, so I wouldn't mind seeing what develops there.
Zutara's more like a bonus thing if it happens.
And yes I do ramble.
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Post by yiceman on Dec 21, 2007 1:58:20 GMT -5
^The romance element is indeed an important part of the story though, one that needs time and attention and a resolution. I don't think you need to fear that it will distract from the main story. It hasn't soaked up too much time yet.
We've got a two hour finale coming...I bet 5 minutes max will be romantic. That's a good deal, neh?
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Post by pg15 on Dec 21, 2007 1:58:56 GMT -5
Ok, see, THAT I agree with. I've never wanted any ship to clog up the show to the point where the other plots get stuck. However, it should be noted that, as someone mentioned above, the romance is very much one of the plots of the show and it needs to be carried out just like all the other plots to its conclusion.
EDIT: Yeah, so basically what yiceman said. ;D
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Post by kaibasgirl on Dec 21, 2007 2:02:06 GMT -5
But don't forget "The Guru". Aang was willing to put the whole world aside just so he can have Katara.
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Post by yiceman on Dec 21, 2007 2:04:36 GMT -5
True enough, but was that to the determent of how the story is told? Did it take away from the story?
If the end resolution has Aang never bothering to go back and assess the chakra situation, I'd call it a disappointment, but as it stands now, the situation added some much-needed conflict to the romance.
I'm just bummed that they havn't really like....mentioned it...at all. Here's to hoping they have a satisfying resolution for that storyline.
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Post by marvel26 on Dec 21, 2007 2:07:24 GMT -5
But don't forget "The Guru". Aang was willing to put the whole world aside just so he can have Katara. Iroh's advice of Love and Happiness over Power didn't help either. To me, that's his first and only bad advice ever. Not in this case Tea Man. He may not have meant it in the extreme sense. But what I'm guessing Aang took it to be was, "Katara...or the world." Aang needs to learn how to turn his Avatar state on and off. Yes, he has to let go of everything. I suppose no one told him he can get it all back after he's done. Hence his unwillingness to go into the state now. He doesn't realise he can go through life with his chakras blocked, he just needs to know when's the right time to unlock them, that's all.
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Post by kaibasgirl on Dec 21, 2007 2:13:27 GMT -5
yiceman, cheers. I'm also disappointed that it's been put on the back burner. They make a huge deal out of it, and now suddenly...what? It doesn't matter any more?
marvel, LOL. It's like the PS they forgot to mention XXDD
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pg15
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Post by pg15 on Dec 21, 2007 2:20:54 GMT -5
Sure the Avatar state is powerful and awesome, but if somebody gets off that lucky shot...well, that'll be the end of the Avatar, wouldn't it? It's supposed to be for emergencies only.
Katara had it right all along; Aang needs to master the 4 elements, above all else.
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Post by kaibasgirl on Dec 21, 2007 2:42:35 GMT -5
And what's defeating the Fire Lord anything if not an emergency? Four elements, yes, those are the basics, but he's going to need more than that if he ever wants to win against Ozai.
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Post by mahatista on Dec 21, 2007 2:46:10 GMT -5
I also thought they'd be using that storyline right off the bat. It made no sense to put it on the back burner. If there were something else that was equally important that took priority I'd understand, but nothing replaced it. Very bizarre.
I think Katara's done a lot for Aang. But I think Aang's love for Katara has hurt him for the purpose of their journey. He got into the avatar state and then jumped out of it to save Katara. Who's to say that won't happen again in ten, fifteen years? When they've married and had kids? If he can't put her second (and once they've had kids what low number on the list does the rest of the world get assigned?) he's not going to be effective.
That moment where he got angry because Sokka made the joke about her kissing Jet was interesting. Many of us have had a friend become possessive and it's not a positive thing. He'd made no declaration (he still actually hasn't), and yet he seemed to feel he had 'dibs'. Not so. And that's not healthy for either party.
I think they were showing an immature approach to romantic attachment and that carried through the season finale. I expected to see something that picked up on that in an organic way, but we got a dance party and steamy looks instead, which may have been cute disturbing but didn't address any of the issues that had been brought up in the three final episodes of season 2.
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Post by marvel26 on Dec 21, 2007 2:49:33 GMT -5
The Avatar state we've seen Aang in seems more of a tantrum.
As in it's uncontrolled and fueled by emotion. Exception being in the caves under Ba Sing Se. he was clear headed for that one.
Look at Roku when he went into it to stop the volcano. That was controlled and mastered.
The Avatar state isn't a big kaboom, I think it's meant to be a prolonged state of empowerment.
Aang will need mastery of all elements as well as the Avatar state.
Bear in mind that without all those Aang's just a 12-13 year old kid.
Ozai has weight, endurance, strength, experience and the willingness to kill over him. Baldy needs ever asset he's got.
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Post by kaibasgirl on Dec 21, 2007 2:53:38 GMT -5
huh, nice points, mahatista.
The only thing I disagree on is the future. Hopefully by the time Avatar is over, Aang will have come to realize that the world does come first, and his personal life second. I can't see him carrying on his child-like tendancies in ten, fifteen years. I see him being a grown, mature individual, knowing where his responsibilities and his priorities lie, and being a great Avatar like all the others were (well, 'cept Roku, cause he basically screwed up big time).
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Post by mahatista on Dec 21, 2007 3:03:07 GMT -5
huh, nice points, mahatista. The only thing I disagree on is the future. Hopefully by the time Avatar is over, Aang will have come to realize that the world does come first, and his personal life second. I can't see him carrying on his child-like tendancies in ten, fifteen years. I see him being a grown, mature individual, knowing where his responsibilities and his priorities lie, and being a great Avatar like all the others were (well, 'cept Roku, cause he basically screwed up big time). Presumably down the road will be more peaceful and such moments of truth fewer and farther between. So if he doesn't learn to put her second now, he's going to have a hard time doing it later when there's rarely a reason to. And like I said, kids . How do you put the world in front of your kids anyway? But he's got to learn to do that every time. EDIT: Oooh, I just thought of something else. Roku was married but did his desire for a peaceful life (he told Aang he spent a lot of time at his home on the island) cause him to willfully (or unwillfully) ignore what Sozin was up to?
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