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Post by Dutchy on Nov 8, 2006 12:22:20 GMT -5
But what if homosexuality really is determined by genetics? You have to call it what it is . What would make it a disease? It harms nothing, has no negative aspects. Why not just say it is another natural way for humans to exist? that wasn't my sentence i quoted that 2 only i did it wrong
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Post by Grandi on Nov 8, 2006 13:28:46 GMT -5
Oh, didn't notice.
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Post by Dutchy on Nov 8, 2006 13:33:24 GMT -5
^Np
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Post by gambitia on Nov 8, 2006 16:35:45 GMT -5
But what if homosexuality really is determined by genetics? You have to call it what it is . What would make it a disease? It harms nothing, has no negative aspects. Why not just say it is another natural way for humans to exist? I was wondering why WW doesn't want to label it genetic, when it may well be.
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Post by Wilderness Writer on Nov 9, 2006 0:37:48 GMT -5
I have very strong doubts that it's genetic. If someone comes up with concrete proof, beyond a doubt, that this is genetic, then fine. But I'll be wary of psudo-sceince that is just trying to rationalize something that society wants to adopt as a healthy thing. I want to see some hard evidence, not some vague "we think this is what's going on, but it could be due to other factors not yet figured into the equasion, but we won't talk about that right now."
(Those who are strongly non-Christian or are offended by Christian beliefs should stop reading here. The following argument is intended for Christians who feel that if homosexuality is genetic, it's not sin.) I am going to go back to the Bible on homosexuality. As I've stated before, the Bible calls it sin. (Before you get upset, remember what I've said before about that) We have a choice whether to let that sin have dominion over us or not.
Maybe some people are predisposed to it, but whether it's genetic or enviroment, it's still a choice. Just because you are strongly predisposed to something doesn't mean you have to do it. As a Christian, we are tempted to do all sorts of things. Some people have a lot of rage in them. It may be a genetic thing, or it may be the enviroment they grew up in, but it doesn't mean they should hurt someone in anger. To use a personal analogy, I get jealous of others easily. It could be something in my genetic code, or it could be how I was raised. It doesn't make it okay for me to get upset if someone is better than me in something.
My point is, even if there is a small chance that it could prove genetic, it doesn't negate what the Bible says about it.
(end of Christian argument.)
What I was saying before about calling people with the gene diseased/special was just a thought. I worry that it could cause a lot more harm than good. It doesn't mean that the knowledge should be supressed, but I still worry. What if they're wrong and people with the 'gene' start getting branded as homosexual when they're not? What are the consequences of singling out a group of people and labeling them as 'different'? Good people will be respectful of them no matter what, but there are the nuts out there who would try and hurt them. (This, by the way, is not Christianity.)
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Post by mikael on Nov 9, 2006 10:43:12 GMT -5
I think I have more of a right than most people do to form an opinion on this type of thing. When I was five, after two marriages and three children, my mother decided that she was lesbian (At ~37 years of age). A month later, she moved out. A month after that, she sent my older brother, 14 at the time, to live with his alchoholic, abusive father for the next four years of his life. My sister, at 11, lived with her for the next 9 years; At age 20, she was caught abusing heroin, and went to rehab for a year (She's doing fine now, by the way). I got the good end of the stick; I moved with my father (Stepfather to my two older sibings) to New Jersey.
Being homosexual isn't genetic; It's one of two things besides. It's either: a) Attention seeking b) A mental disorder of despising the opposite sex to various degrees.
Option a doesn't require any explanation. However, my second option may seem quite controversial, seeing as many gay people don't seem to "hate" the opposite sex. Hate is a much broader term than one might think, though. Hate can go from intense dislike to just not wanting to spend much time with the opposite sex. It also has something else cooupled into it: You'd rather spend time with other gays / lesbians than non-gays/leasians. A great example of this is in MMOs: Many wish to join GLBT guilds as opposed to guilds with anybody and everybody.
Do I dislike gays/lesbians in any way? No. However, I do wish they'd think and realize the real reason behind their feelings, besides coming up with an excuse like it being genetic.
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Post by Dutchy on Nov 9, 2006 10:52:51 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that it isn't genetic but it could of course also be out of bad experience (I mean no offense but if your father was a alchoholic and stuff)
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Post by mikael on Nov 9, 2006 11:04:52 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that it isn't genetic but it could of course also be out of bad experience (I mean no offense but if your father was a alchoholic and stuff) No, my older brother's father was an alchoholic. Hence my mother going through two marriages, and me referencing my brother's father as "his father" as opposed to "our father."
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Post by Manabe on Nov 9, 2006 11:39:25 GMT -5
I have no problem with homosexuality. IMO I think we should just really leave them alone. You are no better than they are, and they are no better than you are. Yes I understand a lot has to do with religion. I however don't follow any specific religion and I believe what I want to believe so on and so forth. In the end here's where I stand.
Don't like gay marriges? Don't have one. Stop worrying about other people.
I know many people who are gay, lesbian, and they are all great people. My fathers boss. My fathers best friend from college. My hairdresser.
And many more. All these people are great to me. My dad's boss always lets me hang out in his office whenever I go over there and play with his dog. (which he brings to work everyday xP) And my dad's best friend is treated like family. He comes over from Miami often and brings gifts to everyone.
Again, in my OWN OPINION. I don't see a problem with it. But obviously this is a debatable discussion, and other people DO see a problem with it.
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Post by mikael on Nov 9, 2006 11:53:36 GMT -5
I only have an issue with the people who bandy it about like it makes them special. Every time I see gay protests, I feel like yelling out "HEY GUYS, GUESS WHAT, I'M HETEROSEXUAL! CAN I HAVE A COOKIE TOO?"
One's sexuality shouldn't be such a large part of life.
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Post by Manabe on Nov 9, 2006 14:03:35 GMT -5
^ Couldn't help but chuckle. I completely agree.
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Post by Dutchy on Nov 9, 2006 14:57:57 GMT -5
I have friends who are like when someone is gay keeping a distance between themselves and the gay person but that is just dumb like every girl is jumping on them 2
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Post by smurfje on Nov 9, 2006 15:04:25 GMT -5
I have friends who are like when someone is gay keeping a distance between themselves and the gay person but that is just dumb like every girl is jumping on them 2 So...those two friends of you don't want gays around them...but the girls like the gays? (or how am I suppose to understand you ) Darn my English
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Post by Dutchy on Nov 9, 2006 15:35:02 GMT -5
Ok you're not making any sense now or I didn't before let me explain again
I have friends right? They don't like gay people around ok? Because they think the gays want them... but it's not like every girl is paying attention to my friends... so why would the gay people pay attention to them
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Post by mikael on Nov 9, 2006 15:38:17 GMT -5
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I think you made my brain explode.
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