inuyatta
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The joy of SoKo comes at a heavy price...my sleep, for example
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Post by inuyatta on Oct 23, 2007 13:31:07 GMT -5
I disliked most of this episode--it felt like mediocre fanfiction...much like 'Tale of Zuko' did back in Tales of Ba Sing Se... I think the same person who wrote "Tale of Zuko" wrote "The Beach". ...Yea they probably shouldn't be writing anymore. Holy incongruity, Batman! No wonder! DX Suddenly that explains why Zuko is baring his soul over his frustrations to the very person who set him up in that situation! No wonder Mai's past is still so vague, I can't really be arsed to care about it! Ty Lee was wayyyy overdramatic in her response to being called 'circus freak'--come on, prostrate and crying over it?! Get real. Azula, aside from the ridiculous attempt at making her a 'normal' teen (really, we have to feel pity for the brat who shot Iroh, Aang and has been manipulating Zuko since day one, as well as treating her cousin's death as though it were nothing? )--I can accept her feelings towards her mother...but the rest...gah. Wtf was that? *sigh* Thanks for letting me vent--I hope next weeks is much better. I'm noticing a pattern really. Awakening was meh, Headband was good. Painted Lady was crap, Sokka's Master was epic win. The Beach was wtf, so I'm hoping that if is the pattern being set up, the next episode will be awesome.
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Post by Tungsten on Oct 23, 2007 13:46:11 GMT -5
I think there's a correlation between the appearance of Iroh and how good an episode is. . . .
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historyman12
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Post by historyman12 on Oct 23, 2007 15:23:23 GMT -5
I'm just goign to steal Gambi's post o nthe matter. People need to have some freakin' sympathy already.
Ty Lee's, Mai's, Azula's, and Zuko's rich, privileged families seriously f---ked them up. Everyone seems to be missing that. Honestly, do they need to be starving orphans beaten everyday with a bag full of bricks to have issues? Those four are clearly not right in the head, and it's their upbringing, coupled with their natural personalities that reacted badly to their upbringing, that did it to them.
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fuego
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Post by fuego on Oct 23, 2007 15:39:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't go and say that there something wrong in there minds say Schizophrenia but the behavor they express don't seem to match the norm around the avatar world...or Fire Nation...depending on your take.
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element.
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Post by element. on Oct 23, 2007 17:22:44 GMT -5
I said it was alright... they didnt show any iroh, and barely any aang and the gang. this time, it was too much zuko and azula.
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femaleairbender
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Post by femaleairbender on Oct 23, 2007 17:29:53 GMT -5
I for one really enjoyed it. I liked that we got into the pasts of Ty Lee and Mai, and I liked to see a different side of Azula.
But it seems to me that Azula just can't win with Avatar fans. If Azula is a one-demensional bad guy, people complain she has no depth. If Azula shows a more human side, people complain that Mike and Bryan are destroying her character.
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Post by mahatista on Oct 23, 2007 17:35:22 GMT -5
^^ I was bugged that she was invulnerable. All I wanted was some kryptonite. So far I'm not seeing any. I think Zhao is still one of the best villains ever created. You saw that he was vulnerable because of his ego and because he got humiliated a couple of times. I never wanted an Azula sob story (not that her little bit was one) or anything like that. Just make her human -- which doesn't mean she has to go OOC overnight so we can say "oh I'm glad to see she's got feelings."
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Post by tyleelover on Oct 23, 2007 18:30:17 GMT -5
I honestly loved the episode,
i mean azula's little humiliatings scenes especially
" We willl be the strongest couple in the world"
were priceless and like its good to take a look at the villians lives and make them seem human, the lack of that quality is the reason for the death of pokemon r.i.p.
anyways the beach made me fall in love with ty lee, and actaully feel sympathy for zuko and azula
Best Episode EVER!
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inuyatta
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Post by inuyatta on Oct 23, 2007 19:36:35 GMT -5
I'm just goign to steal Gambi's post o nthe matter. People need to have some freakin' sympathy already. Ty Lee's, Mai's, Azula's, and Zuko's rich, privileged families seriously f---ked them up. Everyone seems to be missing that. Honestly, do they need to be starving orphans beaten everyday with a bag full of bricks to have issues? Those four are clearly not right in the head, and it's their upbringing, coupled with their natural personalities that reacted badly to their upbringing, that did it to them. Sorry, but the only ones that seem seriously messed up would be Azula and Zuko. But they're important, so they're supposed to be to some degree. Ty Lee's and Mai's pasts were ridiculously normal, and yet we're supposed to cry our eyes out for them or something? I don't think so--there's no need to blow something like that out of proportion. Ty Lee's from a big family and wants an identity, Mai was supposedly brought up stereotypically Asian and she's resigned herself to that ideal--only she took it to the extreme. Yes, their situations sucked, but not something to get teary-eyed over. This episode is irritating, because while we got about a minute or so of exposition on each of the members of Team Ozai, there's not a shift in their character or a progression of any sort. Ty Lee is still adhering to her circus freak identity, Mai still only cares about Zuko, Zuko's still angry at himself, Azula is still...Azula. Not much development, if you ask me. Or maybe, I was looking at the wrong definition of it--I suppose we do know a tiny bit more about them, just nothing that says where their character is gonna go. =\
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Post by conspiracytheorist on Oct 23, 2007 20:06:31 GMT -5
This episode is irritating, because while we got about a minute or so of exposition on each of the members of Team Ozai, there's not a shift in their character or a progression of any sort. Ty Lee is still adhering to her circus freak identity, Mai still only cares about Zuko, Zuko's still angry at himself, Azula is still...Azula. Not much development, if you ask me. Or maybe, I was looking at the wrong definition of it--I suppose we do know a tiny bit more about them, just nothing that says where their character is gonna go. =\ Zuko might still be angry with himself, but at least he's admitted it. I think that counts as development. I'd say that you're totally right about Ty Lee's situation being blown way out of a proportion, and maybe Mai's, to a lesser extent. Her reaction to the campfire scene was certainly more believable than Ty Lee's "get down on your hands and knees and cry your heart out" spiel. I think that the phrase "character development" is thrown around a bit too much, as if it's an item on a checklist that you're mentally going through every time an episode airs. The thing is, though, that character development shouldn't be on that list. It should be much more subtle than that - something that comes as a nice little bonus, and not an in-your-face, "look, you guys, here's some character development for you" deal. Yeah, it should be there, but we don't need "info dumps" (a phrase first used to describe the campfire scene by mahatista, and I've got to say, I think it's fairly accurate), we need episodes that put the characters into situations where their humanity, morals, etc. are tested. For some of us perfectionists, it can't be too convenient (like in "The Beach") or too elaborate. Anyway, I just watched this episode for the third time, and I have to say that without the campfire and party-crashing scenes, I probably would have enjoyed this episode a lot more. I was able to get past some of the roadblocks I had with the first fifteen or so minutes upon viewing it again. I would still rank this episode somewhere in the bottom tier as far as the series goes, however.
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xMzLazyx
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Post by xMzLazyx on Oct 23, 2007 22:40:37 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with everything inuyatta said. Not to metion we barely saw anything about the Gaang, the battle with the combustion man and the Gaang was the only exciting good part of the whole episode, and that was like what only 5 mintues of the whole episode.... I feel like we're losing time now >__>
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freakishone
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Post by freakishone on Oct 24, 2007 9:42:47 GMT -5
Wow, people really aren't liking season three so far.
Nothing is perfect, especially not Avatar, so people just bide their time waiting for the "good stuff" to happen later on if there disappointed now, others just enjoy whatever comes their way, while others simply take the bits and pieces they do like and blow it all out of proportion.
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fuego
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Post by fuego on Oct 24, 2007 10:28:32 GMT -5
It amazing how each episode is always going to have this argument that there was not enough time for each person. Sure you could have an only person episode, but there still be fight about how there seem to being favorite to one person and/or not getting enough airtime for the other character. How make it one hour is the other dispute, but then it be too long and you have argument about what was the point of that episode and it was rushed and wasted.
Point is no one well be happy with each episode cause there always someone expectations that are not met. There really should have been a thread about prospects to happen on season three...I know there was one but most of it was too long and most were way out of the ball park to happen as of today....Wish there were more Neutral people around here
also to add that this was combustion man introduction and the gang were the secondary...shocking but hey you saw the "previously on avatar"
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Post by sg1man on Oct 24, 2007 11:35:49 GMT -5
I voted other, because despise was not near enough strong of a word. This episode cast me into depression, sending my life into a bleak pit of misery and choas. THIS EPISODE WAS DESPICABLY AWFULLY GROTESQUELY HORRIBLE!!!!! Few, got that out. Why do I hate it? So moany reasons! It was full of crappy teenage drama, dumb jokes, soap opera emotions and emotional outbursts, and everyone seemed out of character, except the old ladies. This show really seemed like more of a soap opera than avatar. Horrible.
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Post by kataangftw on Oct 24, 2007 11:58:06 GMT -5
it was good but very strange so i voted i liked it were every1 had there little sad moment was kinda weird and almost sad until 'my own mother thought i was a monster, she was right of course but it still hurts' thanks to azula XD and the ending was confusing but still it was ok not great but better than medium
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