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Post by jillrg on Nov 18, 2007 13:44:37 GMT -5
^^We know Zuko's going to be pivotal, but I'm just focusing on the image right then. I think it's interesting that Aang still pictures Zuko in his fear moments (like opening the chakra blocked by fear and during the nightmare) when Azula has proven to be the more dangerous opponent. He even had seemed to switch his concern to her when he talked with Iroh about the avatar state. I know it has to do with their connection and could have as simple an explanation as that. Aang doesn't have any rational reason for picturing Zuko at these times, but the connection places him in his thoughts nonetheless. It's a drab explanation and lacking drama and overwrought complexity but I'm a hopeless romantic and long for such things. Makes sense to me. Zuko's captured (or "nearly" captured, however you want to look at it) Aang several times. Aang certainly never beat Zuko as badly (without the Avatar State) as he did to Azula in "The Drill." He and Katara had Azula cornered before Zuko joined the fight; like Katara narrated in the Season 2 recap, "In the end, it all came down to Zuko"- even though Azula was the one who killed him, they owe their loss at Ba Sing Se to Zuko and that loss, more than his brush with death, has weighed heavily on Aang this season. It's no wonder he would subconsciously associate Zuko with Fear more than Azula. Zuko's his personal opponent.
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Post by helvetica on Nov 18, 2007 16:29:00 GMT -5
I agree with the previous few posts, and thus have little to add and this will more than likely be redundant. Anyway, Zuko is Aang's counterpart on the other side of things. Azula and the Fire Lord will always be evil, but Zuko we've received bucketloads of character development into and has the power to make things right. Zuko has the ability to win or lose the war for Aang, depending on which way he falls. His decision is why Book 2 ended on a downer. Azula and the Fire Lord can always be counted upon to try to foil Aang, but Zuko is a much more wild element, he can hurt or harm, and due to that unpredictability he is worth being more feared than Azula.
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Post by blak_cat on Nov 18, 2007 18:16:26 GMT -5
I agree with the previous few posts, and thus have little to add and this will more than likely be redundant. Anyway, Zuko is Aang's counterpart on the other side of things. Azula and the Fire Lord will always be evil, but Zuko we've received bucketloads of character development into and has the power to make things right. Zuko has the ability to win or lose the war for Aang, depending on which way he falls. His decision is why Book 2 ended on a downer. Azula and the Fire Lord can always be counted upon to try to foil Aang, but Zuko is a much more wild element, he can hurt or harm, and due to that unpredictability he is worth being more feared than Azula. Zuko is not a good guy. He has never been a good guy and I doubt he will, he may switch sides but that doesn't make him good it just shows that he's not completely evil. Zuko is an anti-hero, a villian who has the capactiy to do heroic things. But I agree, Zuko will most likely be the deciding factor in the end of the war. He has the power to make or break the outcome for Aang. Azula of course is a villian and will be a villian to the end.
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Post by Hama on Nov 18, 2007 19:27:12 GMT -5
What I noticed about that scene is how it sort of fit with The Avatar and the Firelord. Roku was dying and called out to Sozin to help him, but Sozin turns his back on him. Then here, Aang is drowning and pleads Zuko to help him with his eyes...but Zuko seems to be content to just let Aang drown.
The dream does make great theory fodder anyway.
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Post by mahatista on Nov 18, 2007 19:31:18 GMT -5
What I noticed about that scene is how it sort of fit with The Avatar and the Firelord. Roku was dying and called out to Sozin to help him, but Sozin turns his back on him. Then here, Aang is drowning and pleads Zuko to help him with his eyes...but Zuko seems to be content to just let Aang drown. Good call. I like that kind of connection. But is that what Aang thinks or what would really happen? Is there where Zuko is -- even though he's hired an assassin, that's a remote way to kills someone -- could he do it himself? I personally hope not. *karma* on a great connection.
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jillrg
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Post by jillrg on Nov 18, 2007 19:49:33 GMT -5
The Roku-Sozin parallel to that part of the dream is interesting, but Aang is unaware of that connection right now. Aang also doesn't know that Zuko wouldn't even let his arch rival die without trying to help him (Siege of the North, Zhao had just tried to assassinate him, Ocean Spirit interrupts, remember?). Aang, the hero, is the one who's killed in a fit of rage (even if it was a buzzard-wasp), but Zuko, the anti-hero, has demonstrated that he's no killer. Ironic, but true.
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Post by mahatista on Nov 18, 2007 20:49:29 GMT -5
^^I like the connection more as a visual. A reminder of the past relationship as it contrasts and connects to the present one. It might not mean anything concrete, but it's a nice image match anyway.
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Post by dragonflly on Nov 18, 2007 22:51:41 GMT -5
I agree with the previous few posts, and thus have little to add and this will more than likely be redundant. Anyway, Zuko is Aang's counterpart on the other side of things. Azula and the Fire Lord will always be evil, but Zuko we've received bucketloads of character development into and has the power to make things right. Zuko has the ability to win or lose the war for Aang, depending on which way he falls. His decision is why Book 2 ended on a downer. Azula and the Fire Lord can always be counted upon to try to foil Aang, but Zuko is a much more wild element, he can hurt or harm, and due to that unpredictability he is worth being more feared than Azula. Zuko is not a good guy. He has never been a good guy and I doubt he will, he may switch sides but that doesn't make him good it just shows that he's not completely evil. Zuko is an anti-hero, a villian who has the capactiy to do heroic things. But I agree, Zuko will most likely be the deciding factor in the end of the war. He has the power to make or break the outcome for Aang. Azula of course is a villian and will be a villian to the end. You may want to read the latest interview done with one of the creators. It's about the new video game, but they talked about more than that! The creator himself said "sometimes you forget that ZUKO IS A GOOD GUY!!!!" @hama: Great connection there! I didn't catch that, but it is a good theory! Aang has that story fresh in his mind, I could totally see some fear coming from that.
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Post by Alouncara on Nov 19, 2007 15:00:31 GMT -5
I agree with the previous few posts, and thus have little to add and this will more than likely be redundant. Anyway, Zuko is Aang's counterpart on the other side of things. Azula and the Fire Lord will always be evil, but Zuko we've received bucketloads of character development into and has the power to make things right. Zuko has the ability to win or lose the war for Aang, depending on which way he falls. His decision is why Book 2 ended on a downer. Azula and the Fire Lord can always be counted upon to try to foil Aang, but Zuko is a much more wild element, he can hurt or harm, and due to that unpredictability he is worth being more feared than Azula. Zuko is not a good guy. He has never been a good guy and I doubt he will, he may switch sides but that doesn't make him good it just shows that he's not completely evil. Zuko is an anti-hero, a villian who has the capactiy to do heroic things. But I agree, Zuko will most likely be the deciding factor in the end of the war. He has the power to make or break the outcome for Aang. Azula of course is a villian and will be a villian to the end. You don't know that... He's definatley not a bad guy... He's a lost confused teenager... If you have never not known what to do with you life then you have problems... His porblems are 10 times harder than ours so most likely it will take take times longer... You and a few other people out their need to stop accosiating these KIDS with wise all knowing 'gurus'! Zuko at ios Crossraods of Destiny xD He doesnn't know what to do... He lost and a mood swingy teenager couldn't really get any worse! The wroters do a wonderful job of portraying everyone like the age they are. Zuko has family isues like no one could beleive! His father blasted him in the eye leaving a permanent scare mark! His sister is trying to get the thrown but cunningly getting him kicked out once again! Not to forget the fact his mom ran away/dissapeared because she most likely killed Azulon... He was exiled from his home land into three hyeas of wandering and only excepted by his uncle. He wanted to be loved by his father but because of Azula he was always over shadowed by his YOUNGER sister! Do I need to go on? Next time you hate a charector look at them with a real life perspective That's just my bit... I agree with you with Azula though XD She will NEVER change and even if she does change it will be when no jope is left for her. And it won't even be changing! She'll just switch sides to save her hide not for the sake of the 'good guys'.
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Post by bongalak on Nov 19, 2007 16:01:13 GMT -5
dude... spoiler
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Post by fuego on Nov 20, 2007 0:42:24 GMT -5
I love this arguement about Zuko' Behavior and wondering about is bad guy status because it like the question of what make a "bad guy".
To me, He still is a bad guy because of the choices and attitude...I laugh when early during the year, we where hating on him because of the choice he did with Iroh and now with this season, were having this sort change of heart but...dose he know what he did is wrong and he correcting it because it not showing...he confuse about right and wrong and in our book of law, that make "a reason for insanity".
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Post by dragonflly on Nov 20, 2007 0:43:43 GMT -5
^^What spoiler..............Where, Where!!!
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Post by chii on Nov 20, 2007 2:24:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see any spoilers. If we were allowed to include spoilers, well...this discussion of whether Zuko is bad or good really wouldn't exist anymore
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Post by nandireya on Nov 20, 2007 2:26:51 GMT -5
Actually...he is... Bryan Konietzko: I love Zuko...for the fact that he has the farthest to go of any character on the show. I’m always fascinated by the fact that he is a good guy, but he was just placed in a very difficult environment. Source
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Post by mike1921 on Nov 20, 2007 5:57:15 GMT -5
there is no spoiler, everything Toph addict said could be either found, or assumed in the first 49 eppies.
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