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Post by sarcasmgirl on Jan 20, 2008 18:42:05 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed The Headband and Sokka's Master
Sokka's Master was very important because Sokka got some formal training and learned swordsmanship AND got his own sword to use.
Some episodes may be fillers, but they're still enjoyable. and anyway, not every episode can be some big epic battle, and important information can't be handed out all the time. Fillers are just necessary, because the series would be way too short and boring even, without them.
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Post by nexus on Jan 21, 2008 12:09:02 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed The Headband and Sokka's Master Sokka's Master was very important because Sokka got some formal training and learned swordsmanship AND got his own sword to use. Some episodes may be fillers, but they're still enjoyable. and anyway, not every episode can be some big epic battle, and important information can't be handed out all the time. Fillers are just necessary, because the series would be way too short and boring even, without them. Well, IMO, the end of Book 2 would have done slightly better if Tales of Ba Sing Se was wiped off the face of the earth. Another episode to build up to "Lake Laogai". But we do need fillers. If you took out every filler in Book 2, you'd be left with: 1. Return to Omashu 2. The Blind Bandit 3. Zuko Alone 4. The Chase 5. The Library 6. The Drill 7. City of Walls and Secrets 8. Appa's Lost Days 9. Lake Laogai 10. The Earth King 11. The Guru 12. Crossroads of Destiny which hardly accounts for a whole season
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Post by sarcasmgirl on Jan 22, 2008 22:52:35 GMT -5
^ I actually liked watching Tales of Ba Sing Se. I thought it was cute that Zuko went on a date, and the short stories were kind of a nice break from constant Avatar action and stuff. for me, I love action, but the filler episodes still capture my interest anyway...
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Post by nexus on Jan 23, 2008 13:00:31 GMT -5
^ I actually liked watching Tales of Ba Sing Se. I thought it was cute that Zuko went on a date, and the short stories were kind of a nice break from constant Avatar action and stuff. for me, I love action, but the filler episodes still capture my interest anyway... I didn't really like Zuko and Jen's date. Zuko started off as a really crappy date with the worst convos ever. The romantic moment at the end would have been better if Zuko hadn't reeled at the end, and they'd just kept kissing. Much more romantic. Tale of Toph and Katara, most of the Tale of Iroh and Tale of Aang ruined Tales of Ba Sing Se for me. I enjoyed Tale of Sokka a lot. Short and funny. Tale of Zuko was good character developlment. Tale of Momo was needed, and the end of Tale of Iroh was heartwarming. But on the whole, it was a bit of a letdown after "City of Walls and Secrets".
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Post by fuego on Jan 24, 2008 1:51:21 GMT -5
I enjoy fillers and I think some do...I just think people don't enjoy them when there more filliers then regular episodes
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Post by nexus on Jan 24, 2008 16:12:15 GMT -5
I enjoy fillers and I think some do...I just think people don't enjoy them when there more filliers then regular episodes well, here's Book 1 and 2 without fillers: BOOK 1 1. Boy in the Iceberg 2. The Avatar Returns 3. The Southern Air Temple 4. The Warriors of Kyoshi 5. The King of Omashu 6. Winter Solstice p1: The Spirit World 7. Winter Solstice p2: Avatar Roku (Jet is really a filler IMO) 8. The Blue Spirit 9. The Storm 10. The Waterbending Master 11. Siege of the North p1 12. Siege of the North p2 BOOK 2 1. Return to Omashu 2. The Blind Bandit 3. Zuko Alone 4. The Chase 5. The Library 6. The Drill 7. City of Walls and Secrets 8. Appa's Lost Days 9. Lake Laogai 10. The Earth King 11. The Guru 12. Crossroads of Destiny as you can see, there are both about 12 non-filler episodes per book. You could argue that some episodes not there aren't fillers, but there appears to be a good filler to non-filler ratio (3:2) Anyway, certain parts of episodes I've labelled as fillers are really relevant (Aang burning Katara in "The Deserter", the kids meeting Bato and katara getting her necklace back in "Bato of the Water Tribe etc.)
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Post by inuyatta on Jan 25, 2008 5:06:11 GMT -5
Putting aside my bias, I still can't quite agree with 'Cave of Two Lovers' being considered filler, as without it, we'd never have that middle point between self-absorbed, endlessly whining Zuko and the pariah he became in 'Zuko Alone'--Zuko wasn't in a whole lot of the first half of S2, so CoTL is significant in that respect, as well as providing transportation since Zuko and Iroh would not have made it without the stolen ostritch-horse. I guess, in this case, it was filler on the side of the Gaang, and furthered the B-storyline which would be Zuko's half. I hope that makes sense.
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Post by nexus on Jan 25, 2008 12:18:48 GMT -5
Putting aside my bias, I still can't quite agree with 'Cave of Two Lovers' being considered filler, as without it, we'd never have that middle point between self-absorbed, endlessly whining Zuko and the pariah he became in 'Zuko Alone'--Zuko wasn't in a whole lot of the first half of S2, so CoTL is significant in that respect, as well as providing transportation since Zuko and Iroh would not have made it without the stolen ostritch-horse. I guess, in this case, it was filler on the side of the Gaang, and furthered the B-storyline which would be Zuko's half. I hope that makes sense. Well... I'll accept that. But I don't think you can count a tiny thing like the ostrich horse as making the episode less of a filler. It's like a 10-second moment. But those moments with Song certainly show effect in DoBS p2: The Eclipse
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Post by inuyatta on Jan 25, 2008 14:43:56 GMT -5
Well, actually--you can. Sorta like how the fight between CM and the Gaang makes 'The Beach' a tiny bit less of a filler--if it gets referenced to later on in the series, then that episode isn't a complete filler. I mean, that bird carried him all the way from Song's village to the Desert--he never would have made that in good time without it.
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Post by fuego on Jan 25, 2008 16:09:13 GMT -5
Even though there is a definition for the word filler...I very hard to know exactly what really consider filler episode. I mean we can all say Avatar Day is consider a filler, even though the episode contain information that will be use for the whole series (Suki).
Also arguing that season one it self is season fillier is hard cause because it up to the creator if they want to continue a certain part of the story like in Jet case.
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Post by FireRani on Jan 25, 2008 23:36:54 GMT -5
I actually like some of fillers better than the actual episodes. For example "Appa's Lost Day's" was an important plot it let you know where Appa was and what happened to him exactly, but I hated that episode. It was really boring to me. And a good filler episode for me was "The Headband". Also there are some episodes that are half fillers because they can lead to important events such as "Jet".
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Post by nexus on Jan 26, 2008 3:08:11 GMT -5
Well, actually--you can. Sorta like how the fight between CM and the Gaang makes 'The Beach' a tiny bit less of a filler--if it gets referenced to later on in the series, then that episode isn't a complete filler. I mean, that bird carried him all the way from Song's village to the Desert--he never would have made that in good time without it. well, there's no such thing as a complete filler. Tales of Ba Sing Se has Momo finding Appa's footprint, which is relevant in the story arc. Even the Avatar State is relevant, as it builds up to "The Guru". And I completely agree that lots of episodes that are fillers are still enjoyable. The Beach is a filler on Zuko's side, but the Gaang has that short run-in with CM. Nevertheless, I thoroughly enjoyed the Beach. My 3rd fav. Season 3 episode. I didn't enjoy Appa's lost Days much either. It's really depressing.
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Post by admirality on Jan 26, 2008 11:58:23 GMT -5
In my opinion any episode without Ozai (or soming seriously seriously mega mint happening) is a filler..............Buts thats just me
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Post by pg15 on Jan 26, 2008 23:43:33 GMT -5
How the heck was The Avatar State a filler?
Not only do we launch the plot for Season 2, but we also got more info on the Avatar State, got the spirit water, met Azula, and Iroh and Zuko became fugitives. It was a very important episode...
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Post by fuego on Jan 28, 2008 15:03:15 GMT -5
I just think people are losesing the defention of the word filler or baseing there own meaning toward the word fillier.
Maybe we should create a panel of judges to deside once and for all what episode are fillers and what are not.
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