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Post by volcomxreckless on Oct 8, 2007 7:35:21 GMT -5
Honestly if you've seen Anime fillers then I don't think you really have room to complain. I agree, because InuYasha has 7 Seasons and I bet a bunch of filler episodes together could create 2-3 Seasons! Like episodes where they help 1 person with NOTHING to do with storyline. Avatar does have it's filler episodes too though. I mean, this Season I'm not trying to say "Filler Episodes" I guess maybe "Filler Scenes?" Because important things happened in "The Headband" but certain parts, could've been avoided to do something useful. Now, now guys I'm not trying to bash the creators I'm just saying, I hope the rest of new episodes, have a DAM[n] good plot!
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Post by element. on Oct 8, 2007 9:17:02 GMT -5
I have to agree. there rushing S3 cause of all the info they talked about in S2. when S2 came out, i remember it was enjoyable like S1. but S3 is all different and i dont like it.. (but i do liek the episodes!)
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Post by attonbitus on Oct 8, 2007 9:18:31 GMT -5
I think after the huge plot reveals in season 2 most people want to jump right into the meat of the story. Season 2 started a bit slow but the main hook was finding an earth bending master for Aang.
So far season 3 began with, we'll be hiding out till the day of black sun. They haven't even really mentioned finding a firebending teacher for Aang. We all know that it's important that he learns, but no one has used any screen time to emphasize this.
As far as "filler" goes, I would have rather seen a flash back ep to show what happened between the end of season 2 and the beginning of season 3. We've already seen that Katara as a huge heart, but some of the character jumps (Maiko, Katara dealing with her dad, the Earth King, heck maybe even a Suki update) needed more time to develop rather than jumping right in.
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Post by Zenjamin on Oct 8, 2007 16:39:01 GMT -5
I like the idea of following Zenjamin's advice: "So let’s revaluate the story every week based on what the creators have given us, guess what is coming next, be patient, and do it all over again next Friday." [Iroh voice] "Awww, That’s very sweet." [/Iroh voice] But it looks like now I might be resetting my schedule to Tuesday if what they are saying about Canada is true. Also, to those who say they wish the gAang would mention fire-bending. I understand where your coming from, but the reason for not doing this is really quite obvious if you stop and think about it. The gAang is on a very tight time-table, something they stressed in the painted lady. They are going to have a tough enough time getting prepared for the eclipse without searching for a fire-bending teacher trust-worthy enough (or stupid enough)enough to teach Aang fire-bending well enough for it to be useful during the solar eclipse… in which fire-bending would be near useless anyways. It’s just an unrealistic and completely illogical thing to peruse. Further, the gAang already knows Aang has emotional hang-ups about learning fire-bending. (Opening chakras is not a permanent experience, as the continued connection with katara shows). So why bother bringing all of that up? Infact, if it were brought up at all, it would fall into the very broad definition of what some consider to be "filler". Assuming you’ve thought about the events in the show before laying into them that is. EDIT: wow. ive gotten alot of karma for my posts in this thread... thanks people.
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Post by brilliantlygreen on Oct 8, 2007 18:27:14 GMT -5
paleiko: I understand the fact that you don't like the way they are handling Aang. He completely changed in one episode to the next. However, that change made sense to me. The first episode was very serious, very intense, and the happy-go-lucky Aang was a COMPLETE opposite. He was angry, scared, frustrated, confused and felt like a failure. After what happened and where we left off from S2, he had every right to feel that way. If he didn't, it would be very unrealistic, no matter how happy a person normally is. But at the end of the episode, it was resolved, because not only did Aang have two spirits backing him up, but his three best friends as well. He knew he had acted irrational, and he knew that mistakes happen. He accepted it and when he burned his glider ( ), I think that was symbolic in a way that it showed the end of the avatar (for now) and the end of his pessimistic thinking (for now). Of course, I'm sure there was much more symbolism behind it, but I'm not going to get into that. Then we go to The Headband. My guess is that there were a few days between the episodes. Simply because of all the traveling they did. That is plenty of time for Aang to change. He changed back to his usual self because he was now going to focus on the fire nation, getting to know it, etc. He has remained that way because he really doesn't have anything to be that upset about anymore. BUT I don't think this side of him will last. When the Avatar State comes into play again, and his love for Katara, he might turn bitter again. The way he is acting now could easily be a facade. Or he might just be avoiding thinking about things that upset him. Basically, the point of that long, drawn out nonsense that I just typed, is that we are only 3 episodes in. You can't really judge 'how they are handling Aang' until we get further in, and see the reasons for his actions. Most of all, this is a kids show. A light-hearted episode needed to follow the dramatic premiere. And no one can really stand to see Aang angry for to long. Or at least I know I can't. <3
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Post by paleiko on Oct 9, 2007 8:52:55 GMT -5
I agree with what you said in general, but I appreciate a developement that's taking place gradually, stepwise... Of course there are also turning points (Zuko in CoD for example), but in my opinion the things Yue and Roku said were to "weak" to cause such a difference.
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Post by Alouncara on Oct 9, 2007 9:23:00 GMT -5
Gjuys each episode may have more Plot to it than you think!
(I was left wanting more with the Awakening... So short it needed to be a hour premeire! They left it Hanging)
'The Headband', The Dance Party tuaght the kids freedom they will NEVER forget... They'll will continue having Dance Partys for who knows how long!
'The Painted Lady', at the ned the Sprit vistited katara and Said, "Tahnk you" Do you think that is all the spirit will do?!? Katara cleaned her river! She saved the Town! i am betting that The REAL Painted Lady will come into veiw later in the episodes! See Things like that we are leaving out... Each avatar episode has a point/polt somthing I am betting is going to happen involving the Spirit!
For all those Zuko is and idot people i'd like to point out he is a confused Teenager and I con relate to him more than anybody else in the show right now... He is trying to figure out what to do with his life! Yes he was an idot! I think most of us Teenagers are at points! Am I wrong!?! xD
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Post by Zenjamin on Oct 9, 2007 10:39:59 GMT -5
What the hell is up with all the exclamation points!?! We are right here!! you dont have to yell!!
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Post by volcomxreckless on Oct 9, 2007 17:28:23 GMT -5
I hope the episodes turn back to all the importance and bending! lol I just want some awesome stuff to happen in the rest of the episodes.
@zenjamin: I don't think the exclamation points were meant for yelling. BIG LETTERS are yelling, aren't they? Besides I use exclamation points in EVERY one of my posts! << See. lol
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Post by Firework on Oct 9, 2007 19:27:53 GMT -5
I like the idea of following Zenjamin's advice: "So let’s revaluate the story every week based on what the creators have given us, guess what is coming next, be patient, and do it all over again next Friday." [Iroh voice] "Awww, That’s very sweet." [/Iroh voice] But it looks like now I might be resetting my schedule to Tuesday if what they are saying about Canada is true. Also, to those who say they wish the gAang would mention fire-bending. I understand where your coming from, but the reason for not doing this is really quite obvious if you stop and think about it. The gAang is on a very tight time-table, something they stressed in the painted lady. They are going to have a tough enough time getting prepared for the eclipse without searching for a fire-bending teacher trust-worthy enough (or stupid enough)enough to teach Aang fire-bending well enough for it to be useful during the solar eclipse… in which fire-bending would be near useless anyways. It’s just an unrealistic and completely illogical thing to peruse. Further, the gAang already knows Aang has emotional hang-ups about learning fire-bending. (Opening chakras is not a permanent experience, as the continued connection with katara shows). So why bother bringing all of that up? Infact, if it were brought up at all, it would fall into the very broad definition of what some consider to be "filler". Assuming you’ve thought about the events in the show before laying into them that is. EDIT: wow. ive gotten alot of karma for my posts in this thread... thanks people. But the next episode "Sokka's Master" is going to be all about Sokka learning how to sword fight so he can be more useful to the gaang.... wait, he was the one that was willing to sacrifice potty breaks to stay on schedule, so him wanting to learn sword fighting is stupid! Sword fighting is a complex art which takes years to learn properly- obviously Sokka will only train for a few days tops but that won't be enough to be very good at it. And if Sokka (the one who wanted to combine eating and potty breaks together to save time) is willing to sacrifice a few days so he can learn sword fighting, why doesn't Aang at least learn some Firebending? Because the eclipse is still long off and danger is still lurking until then. But the creators should at least mention this issue.
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Post by Zenjamin on Oct 10, 2007 23:13:05 GMT -5
and i think they will.
i was woundering about that as well. perhaps they have no money to buy supplies so some of the gAang have to get a tempoary job.
perhaps aAng does look for a firebending teacher, but cant find one for free.
lota ways little side plots like this can happen.
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Post by demonofthewest on Oct 10, 2007 23:44:20 GMT -5
@brill Say what you will, The Awakening, The Headband, and The Painted Lady were far from amazing. Enjoyable? Yes. But when you compare The Awakening to The Avatar State, it just doesn't hold a candle to it. Mike and Bryan are not perfect, and believe it or not, some people criticize the show on things besides the appearance of certain characters or how the characters are handled. Things like sloppy editing and bad writing also come in to play.
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Post by fuego on Oct 11, 2007 1:16:03 GMT -5
Look everyday were doing stuff that is just fillers....I don't see why sokka can't be buy grocery just like us. I'm pretty sure most of us did imporant things today but were they big events that your expect life like in aang?
That being said, none of the episode currently right now aren't fillier cause for the moment were learning much about the fire nation and that what it mostly about...seeing the fire citizens in there natural behavor with there community and customs. At the moment there just in the travel discovery phase and seeing what this nation is about. Like I said, this the claim before the strom and there will be an effect from these episode as we move ahead.
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Post by demonofthewest on Oct 11, 2007 18:36:41 GMT -5
I don't watch TV so I can watch people buy groceries. In case you haven't noticed, most shows and movies shy away from showing us boring events like a trip to the grocery store. Or, if they do present these things, they show them in an interesting way. The great thing about TV is that you can skip the everyday things and go right to the interesting stuff. Come on, if someone documented a guy buying groceries and doing other mundane things, would you want to watch it? Anyway, my criticism of the last three episodes stems more from the writing and less about the "filler content."
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Post by conspiracytheorist on Oct 11, 2007 22:48:53 GMT -5
The only reason why people are so disappointed this season is because they've had over 9 months to create in their own mind what they want to happen. But people need to stop making up their own storylines and need to accept what Mike and Bryan are doing here. Or people could be disappointed because there's been a drop in overall episode quality between the first two seasons and this one. Who's "making up their own storylines"? Not me. Not dozens of other people who are upset at episodes like the ones we've seen so far. I will accept anything and everything that happens in this show as far as the plot is concerned. The path Avatar takes isn't ours to mess with - many more people realize this than you think, if your tone in this thread is any indication of what you believe. If Aang, Katara, Sokka and Toph take a seemingly meaningless detour to some dumb Fire Nation village and help some people out (replace "Fire" with "Earth" and what do you have?), and the episode is awesome, then I'm okay for a whole week. But if the episode is polluted (SEE WHAT I DID THERE?) with bad dialog and hard-to-believe character decisions, then I'm going to be frustrated. It's up to the minds behind the show to sell us their story. It is up to us to buy it. Whenever you use "It's their baby/creation/life's dream/masterwork/whatever" as a crutch to excuse a mediocre episode, you are lowering the bar. To those of you who are upset because "The Painted Lady" is being called filler: A filler by any other name would smell as disgusting. Want to nitpick? Want to say that since there's no manga equivalent, there can't be fillers? Or is your argument more general - that all episodes are created equal and calling one of them fillers detracts from the greatness that is Avatar, or somehow offends Mike and Bryan? WAKE UP! All episodes are NOT created equal! Watch "The Blue Spirit", "The Storm", "Zuko Alone", "The Siege of the North", "The Crossroads of Destiny." Then watch "The Awakening", "Avatar Day", "Tales of Ba Sing Se", "The Painted Lady." They don't compare at all. Some episodes are epic, and some are letdowns BY CONTRAST. You don't hear ANYONE calling "Siege of the North" a filler. Well, why not? There HAS to be a reason. Most of the arguments for Avatar (as if anyone here is arguing AGAINST Avatar ) rely on the "Avatar is such a great show, it delivers week after week, and you have no right, you can't judge, you don't work for this show, I'm talking to you like your mother does when she makes something special for dinner and you comment that you don't care for it and she freaks out at you!" line(s). But we watch this show in the present, not the past. If a show has been great in early seasons, and it slips a few notches, should we turn a blind eye and bear the new and un-improved episodes? My answer is no, as you've probably guessed. Think about the flip side of this coin. Maybe instead of expecting too much, we aren't getting enough. It's subjective, right? For the record, not all of us who are disappointed with the third season so far just want to hurry up with the invasion and the comet and the firebending lessons and the fight scenes and the Avatar state battles and whatever else you think it is we want. I have NO IDEA how this season is going to go, except that the invasion fails around the middle, and I happen to love it that way. I like to speculate and theorize but I don't mope around when things don't go my way or I don't get to see such-and-such in Episode 4 instead of Episode 5. I agree with you here entirely. I shy away from calling episodes filler, but I won't scream and yell about it. "The Painted Lady" was a letdown and that word jumped to the forefront of some peoples' minds based on their experiences in other anime shows or exposure to the word through message boards. I think we should all be able to look over those kinds of "offenses." Despite the fact that I agree about the filler topic, I find episodes like "Imprisoned" and "The Great Divide" to be much more satisfying than "The Painted Lady". If people find the need to call any of those episodes "filler," then I understand. The word gets thrown around a lot, so it's only natural that you're going to see it used to describe episodes like the above. Apparantely there are some who can deny it. I love around 90% of what you've said in this thread, paleiko. But it's not so much that Aang is acting so carefree again or that Katara is being a secret hero. It's that, and the dialog, and the easy ways out, and the coincedences, and the ill-timed humor, and the squeezed feeling I'm getting from watching these episodes, and everything else. What it comes down to is episode quality! What is comes down to is every minute detail of the show packed up into one thirty-minute experience, and whether or not it all fits together! This is such a complex question that I really can't answer it in full. However, I can tell you what the dominant thought in my brain was upon reading your question. I thought, "Well, what does my watch say?" I love to help people. I'm rather good at math, so a lot of people come to me for advice regarding their Calculus homework or whatever course they're taking. I love to help them with their problems, and not because I get a rush from writing numbers on paper and solving the puzzle (like House from House MD on Fox... have you ever watched that show? It's an excellent show =D), but because I really love to help those people out, and to see them recognize what they were missing when I explain the problem to them. But if I'm late for work already, and I need to be on my way, then that's the way it has to be. I might feel a little guilty about leaving the "poor person on the sidewalk," but that's something I will get over. I am fascinated by these kinds of questions. I love the fact that this show makes you think. But I hadn't thought about that question until you brought it up (at least, not recently). The reason for this? "The Painted Lady" did NOT make me think! And trust me when I say that I am one of the biggest thinkers that I know. I lie awake at night thinking about things that normal people don't contemplate in their lifetimes, and for good reason. It drives me to make big long posts like this that nobody reads (well, that and a LOT of free time...). "The Painted Lady" made me think of many things - about how Katara's mothering nature felt like a lesson I had already learned - about how Aang was probably disapproving of Katara's actions even when he used the "secret hero" line, but in light of the recent romantic tension between the two ("The Headband"), he went along for the ride - about how ridiculous Sokka saying "potty" every two seconds was - about how funny Appa looks with a purple tongue (and as a hill with horns!) - about how stupid the villagers were to not immediately accept Katara's help when it was revealed that she was the real painted lady - about how dumb that "You gave me a fish!" kid's voice sounded - about how Aang's wound probably wasn't helped any by the pollution in the river... But most of all, I thought about how great a show Avatar can be, and isn't right now. And when that is the biggest thought you get in your mind after watching an episode, then something has to be out of place! Thank you all (yeah, all one of you) for reading.
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