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Post by ~*Tea Sage*~ on Oct 6, 2007 19:18:50 GMT -5
I don't understand what people has against katara this season?
Oh she cried? And got jealous? And felt empathy towards other? HUMANS WOULDN'T DO THAT!!! - Oh come on people, don't tell if you never cried before, or got jealous, or felt sympathy for other people.......
I do feel however that Katara's character development is nearly complete, I think she just have to do the following four -
1) Find peace with her mother's death - she will encounter the firebender that killed her mother. 2) Have a confrontation and talk things out with zuko. 3) Learn to accept her abilities - she will pull a jeong jeong later on. 4) Confess her love for aang
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Post by Firework on Oct 6, 2007 19:32:16 GMT -5
I don't understand what people has against katara this season? Oh she cried? And got jealous? And felt empathy towards other? HUMANS WOULDN'T DO THAT!!! - Oh come on people, don't tell if you never cried before, or got jealous, or felt sympathy for other people....... I do feel however that Katara's character development is nearly complete, I think she just have to do the following four - 1) Find peace with her mother's death - she will encounter the firebender that killed her mother. 2) Have a confrontation and talk things out with zuko. 3) Learn to accept her abilities - she will pull a jeong jeong later on. 4) Confess her love for aang People have issues with Katara because she's being forced into the spotlight. The creators can't just let her sit on the sidelines while Sokka or Toph take reign. Katara is being forced to be important, do great things, and be such a saintly female role model it's getting annoying. 1) Her mother was killed during a raid, Katara couldn't possibly know or meet the one person who killed her mother. Why would Katara have to confront the person responsible for her mother's death? Katara has never shown resentment towards one person for her mother's death, only the FN, meaning Katara doesn't know which faceless, look-alike soldier killed her mother. 3) Why hasn't she accepted her abilities, she isn't facing problems like a superhero, what is their to accept? Her powers aren't destructive or "evil".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2007 19:40:39 GMT -5
I don't understand what people has against katara this season? Oh she cried? And got jealous? And felt empathy towards other? HUMANS WOULDN'T DO THAT!!! - Oh come on people, don't tell if you never cried before, or got jealous, or felt sympathy for other people....... I do feel however that Katara's character development is nearly complete, I think she just have to do the following four - 1) Find peace with her mother's death - she will encounter the firebender that killed her mother. 2) Have a confrontation and talk things out with zuko. 3) Learn to accept her abilities - she will pull a jeong jeong later on. 4) Confess her love for aang I complete agree with you. Katara has taken a lot of heat this season and I don't see why we are finally seeing more than just her caring and I think that's great.
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Post by ~*Tea Sage*~ on Oct 6, 2007 19:45:27 GMT -5
Firework, here's my response for you, but be warn, its all spoilers... 1) If you read bought and read the all nick magazine, you will know that Katara and Sokka will cross-path with an "enemy from the pass," this indicate that its the firebender that killed their mother.
3) If you read the book 3: part 2 summary of the DVD information provided, you will know that katara will regret and try to unlearn an ability.
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Post by kitsuneopal on Oct 6, 2007 19:45:49 GMT -5
The ending reminded me of a scene in "Spirited Away," where an ugly stink spirit is in fact a pollution covered river spirit, having been turned into a stink spirit because its river was being polluted. Perhaps the reason the Painted Lady didn't help the villagers was because the pollution was preventing her from even appearing to them. To me what happened reminds me of a saying from a movie I saw a long time ago; "The gods will not do for man what man can do for himself."
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Post by Firework on Oct 6, 2007 19:50:41 GMT -5
Firework, here's my response for you, but be warn, its all spoilers... 1) If you read bought and read the all nick magazine, you will know that Katara and Sokka will cross-path with an "enemy from the pass," this indicate that its the firebender that killed their mother.
3) If you read the book 3: part 2 summary of the DVD information provided, you will know that katara will regret and try to unlearn an ability.
3) Just because it's a past enemy doesn't mean it's the one person who killed their mother. What are the chances that in a raid that Katara happened to see the person who killed her mother? That soldier must have been a high ranking person to not wear a mask so Katara could see his face.
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Post by ~*Tea Sage*~ on Oct 6, 2007 19:56:26 GMT -5
I'd say there are many scenarios in which that could happen, and here's the exact quote: "....and another form a distant past-with a disturbing connection to Sokka and Katara."
I don't know what can be more disturbing enemy then the guy that killed your mother. And even if he guy is wearing a helmet, someone could of knocked off his helmet, break of the mask. Come on use logic will yah?
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Post by Firework on Oct 6, 2007 20:34:10 GMT -5
I'd say there are many scenarios in which that could happen, and here's the exact quote: "....and another form a distant past-with a disturbing connection to Sokka and Katara." I don't know what can be more disturbing enemy then the guy that killed your mother. And even if he guy is wearing a helmet, someone could of knocked off his helmet, break of the mask. Come on use logic will yah? Don't be rude, it isn't logic, it is random convenience for the sake of drama; it would be unrealistically convenient and overall really stupid if the person who killed Katara and Sokka's mother suddenly popped up. Seriously, why? Why does this need to happen? How convenient that Katara and Sokka can avenge their mother's death despite how unrealistic it is that they saw her killer's face and then run into the same guy a couple years later.
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Post by jillrg on Oct 6, 2007 20:38:53 GMT -5
Toph is an awesome character who deserves more screen time. Agreed. It was cool how she ownd (that's the term, right?) Sokka with that " on the hook" joke. BTW, love the sig. And you're right - God rocks!
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Post by theelements on Oct 6, 2007 21:30:04 GMT -5
i know me to. welll at my place it is 10/6/07 so we already saw the painted lady soooo it was pretty kool and katara was hot in that episode.
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Post by The Faceless King on Oct 6, 2007 21:45:44 GMT -5
My personal opinion of this episode is that is simply showed Katara's character, and helped develop the world by showing the better side of Fire Nation citizens. Why should they care if the Fire Lord says all Earth and Water benders are evil? Yeah, at first they show prejudice, but so do most people, until they get to know someone, granted it was rather rushed at the end. But they have a rather small time block after all. And I have no idea why some of you are getting so peeved over Sokka's and Katara's reactions. Sokka see's his big picture and feels to help the one, you must help the many. Katara see's the opposite, to help the many, you must first help the one. I would have sided with Katara on this one, I have a friend who would agree with Sokka, yeah, we'd fight it out, but we'd both agree that so long as they people are helped, either way is functional.
I rarely view any episode as "filler" treat each episode as apart of the journey and take it in stride. Everything that occurs can't be helpful to the overall plot, if it did, the show becomes too "epic" and would feel that it is droning on and on. What episodes like this do, is take the heart of the series and place it in a smaller environment. People who care enough to help others, even those who don't appreciate it.
Finally, I conclude that this episode is not another Zuko Alone. Zuko Alone was all about Zuko fitting in, while he did care enough for those people to help them, he did it to prove to himself that he was a good person, not to simply help others. The Painted Lady showed Katara helping others solely to do good, not to prove anything to herself, she is more comfortable with herself than Zuko, who has some serious issues.
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Post by fuego on Oct 6, 2007 22:04:10 GMT -5
pretty funny about the rumor of Spider-Man 3 plot coming to avatar.
BTW nice analysis of the show The Faceless King...couldn't have said better
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Post by jillrg on Oct 6, 2007 22:37:12 GMT -5
Zuko Alone was all about Zuko fitting in, while he did care enough for those people to help them, he did it to prove to himself that he was a good person, not to simply help others. The Painted Lady showed Katara helping others solely to do good, not to prove anything to herself, she is more comfortable with herself than Zuko, who has some serious issues. I think it's the other way around. If Zuko had been trying to prove something, he would have defended himself when the villagers turned on him. After he saved them and they didn't thank him but just hated him for being a Firebender, he left without a second glance, letting them think what they wanted. He did the right thing without needing any acknowledgement in return. But when these villagers turned on katara when they found out she was a Waterbender, she and Sokka went into PR mode and gave a speech to (successfully!) convince them to change their ways. If Katara really just wanted to do the right thing, she shouldn't have cared if they were grateful or not. People don't always appreciate help; Zuko accepted that, Katara didn't.
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Post by The Faceless King on Oct 6, 2007 22:53:02 GMT -5
If Zuko hadn't had the need to prove himself, then why proclaim himself? He didn't need their acknowledgement, but his own, that he is a great warrior and a good person.
Sokka and Katara had to tell the people who they were, not to make themselves feel better, but to be sure the Zuko or Azula didn't find out that Katara and Sokka were not continuing their quest, if Zuko and Azula would have heard tell that Katara and Sokka were causing trouble, they may have hunted them down out of fear the Avatar lived.
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Post by Avatar Pooface on Oct 6, 2007 23:10:57 GMT -5
I'd say there are many scenarios in which that could happen, and here's the exact quote: "....and another form a distant past-with a disturbing connection to Sokka and Katara." I don't know what can be more disturbing enemy then the guy that killed your mother. And even if he guy is wearing a helmet, someone could of knocked off his helmet, break of the mask. Come on use logic will yah? Don't be rude, it isn't logic, it is random convenience for the sake of drama; it would be unrealistically convenient and overall really stupid if the person who killed Katara and Sokka's mother suddenly popped up. Seriously, why? Why does this need to happen? How convenient that Katara and Sokka can avenge their mother's death despite how unrealistic it is that they saw her killer's face and then run into the same guy a couple years later. Now the thread has turned into borderline character bashing. More importantly board members are getting angry at each other. I'm just trying to say, debate, not verbally attack, try to be respectful of each other. Character fanbases are strong and loyal, like ships. Which is the main reason why I stay away from the character and relationship threads as much as I can. Sometimes it gets really heated for no reason. We don't need the mods doing some cleaning in here. I know we can't all possibly get along, but we can be civil. I see where you are coming from firework. I agree and disagree with what you said. (you know why I would disagree of course ) It does seem convenient in a way. But if it does happen, whether or not it will be good storytelling is up to the writers. I thought about the enemy that has the connection to Sokka and Katara and I thought it would be interesting if it was their mom. Yeah, I know she's dead, but what a twist huh? ;D *pats firework on the back* More Toph for her, please.
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