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Post by admirality on Jan 18, 2008 15:14:25 GMT -5
We also need to see what happened to Zuko's cute osterich horse!!!! That is defn the most important end that needs tying up!!!!! (not really but I liked that osterich horse)
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Post by firenationstooge on Jan 18, 2008 15:53:48 GMT -5
Hate to disappoint the topic creator, but Jet's death has been pretty much confirmed. The same fate possibly met his two companions as well. Not necessarily because I have any evidence, but because they were stuck deep in enemy territory.
As for the Ursa/Azulon issue. They will probably not show what happened that night, but something tells me it wasn't a violent death either. Ursa was trying to pass the throne onto Ozai, and that wouldn't have happened if Azulon was bloodied up. The aging leader was probably poisoned or smothered to quell suspicion. I mean he was old enough. No one would question (too much) if they just found him dead in his bed one morning.
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Post by manzai on Jan 19, 2008 1:41:19 GMT -5
ursa killed azulon. for sure. In "Zuko Alone", Azula tells Zuko that last night Azulon died and Ursa left. That was also the same night Ursa came into Zuko's bedroom, and told him tearfully that she does everything for him, before leaving. Kuzon is nothing. Just shows that Aang has a friend in the Fire Nation. Serves no other purpose Airbenders were covered pretty well in Aang's flashbacks. The FN probably attacked the Southern Air Temple too, and when they couldn't find Aang, they systematically attacked every other Air Temple. Monkey guy was irrelevant. Just a small joke. That's all. I didn't realy mean how she killed him, like what method. Technically, although strongly hinted at and 99.9% likely to be true, Ozai did not specifically say that Ursa killed Azulon. Yes, i know that is what will happen in the series, but until Zuko finds Ursa and she says "yes, I killed Azulon," (which is also 99.9% likely to occur in the series) it is technically not confirmed. I'm taking a conservative view of this, so I just think it should be on the list until that time. And the other part of my question is valid; we do not know where she went. Yes, you're probably right about Kuzon. (But no one knows for sure). I disagree about the airbender question. Although it is not vial to the plot, which is why I realize it may never be resolved, we still know very little about airbender culture. We don't even know whether airbenders were raised by their families or by guardians, as Aang was. Also, Aang says that no one can reach an air temple without a flying bison. The only assumption we can make as to how they reached the temples is that the FN had tanks like those seen in 117 100 years earlier. But what stopped the airbenders from escaping on thier bison? And if they were nomads, why were they all at the temples when the attack occurred? You are probably also right about the monkey, but given how little we know about the spirit world, it seems like kind of a tease if his only purpose was that joke.
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Jan 19, 2008 1:57:46 GMT -5
I agree on all the stuff about Iroh. There is so many things about him that have been mentioned that we still do not know about. I am also waiting to find out the purpose of the White Lotus society. It seems they are concerned with spreading knowledge but are they also a resistance group plotting against Ozai? Did Ursa's parents arrange a marriage between her and Ozai in hopes that it would bring balance back into the world? Who is this Admiral Chan that keeps getting mentioned? He was mentioned in the Awakening and Azula's "boyfriend" from the Beach is his son. And when am I going to get some Koh?
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Post by inuyatta on Jan 19, 2008 2:38:11 GMT -5
Holy crap, where do I begin?
- White Lotus Society/Iroh - Aang's blocked chakra - Longshot and Smellerbee - Ursa - Koh - Song - Suki - Jeong Jeong - Bumi - Ozai vs. Azula: Daddy's little girl is a liar - Ba Sing Se in the hands of a Joo Dee--easy for reclaiming?
This is sadly, probably only a fraction of what needs to be resolved. I'm somehow quite doubtful they'll manage it in the last half of the season. =\
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Post by *Erin* on Jan 19, 2008 14:08:29 GMT -5
About Long Shot and Smellerbee:
Did anyone notice at the end of "Lake Laogai" after the Gaang left, Long Shot lifted up [and aimed] his bow? What exactly was he doing? I mean there wasn't anyone around to fight, so was he putting Jet out of his misery, or what?
I think we really need to know what happened to Jet after the Gaang vacated Lake Laogai, and the only people that know the truth are really Long Shot and Smellerbee.
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Post by dragonflly on Jan 19, 2008 14:22:16 GMT -5
^^Well, the creators pretty much confirmed Jet's death, so he most likely just laid there and died. As for the other two, Longshot was readying himself for the next wave of Di Li agents to come through the door. Kinda that going out shooting thing ya see in westerns. He was pretty much taking his last stand.
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Post by Kin~ on Jan 19, 2008 15:48:31 GMT -5
I'm actually curious to see what happened to Long Feng. Might be the only one but...ehhh. Maybe he'll show up near the end. I'd like to know what happened to him too. I wouldn't mind them tying up his final story with the Freedom Fighters. In which they would probably completely terminate him for killing Jet. Yay! About the Jet thing two posts previous, they were originally going to have Longshot put him out of his misery but had to cut it due to violence... but like dragonflly said Longshot was taking up his stance to prepare for the Dai Li agents that were comming. Even though people keep saying those two could have died, I don't think so. First, I don't think the creators would be cruel enough to kill off half the Freedom Fighter core group in one blow. Loosing a leader was enough, but all of them is too harsh. Secondly, those two are pretty smart. They'd know when they'd be outmatched and would probably make a run for it before the whole building collapsed. But if they did die... I DEMAND a scene of them dying in eachothers arms with SHIPPING!
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Post by inuyatta on Jan 19, 2008 18:57:14 GMT -5
I've been speculating on what happened--I imagined they waited for Jet to finally pass away--then they took his body, escaped from Lake Laogai and buried him at his home town. It just seems like something they would do...
I really think Longshot and Smellerbee should come back and settle the score, for Jet. I mean, it'd be something awesome for them to do--help end the war that tore everything apart.
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Post by avatarish on Jan 19, 2008 20:28:06 GMT -5
the question i would like answered is.... what were ozai and iroh like as kids, was ozai as the younger brother always trying to one up his brother in front of azulon....... what made ozai so power hungary?
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Post by nexus on Jan 20, 2008 16:33:30 GMT -5
the question i would like answered is.... what were ozai and iroh like as kids, was ozai as the younger brother always trying to one up his brother in front of azulon....... what made ozai so power hungary? well, Ozai has obviously been jealous of Iroh for A LONG TIME. There's a pretty big age cap (about 15 years), so Iroh would have been a firebending prodigy (possibly even master) when Ozai was still struggling to produce films. Jealously of course would ensue. And then iroh become a powerful general... the jealousy continued. And all along, Ozai- who desperately wants the throne- knows that it is Iroh's birthright. I'd feel pretty jealous if I was Ozai too.
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Post by Kin~ on Jan 20, 2008 23:43:41 GMT -5
I've been speculating on what happened--I imagined they waited for Jet to finally pass away--then they took his body, escaped from Lake Laogai and buried him at his home town. It just seems like something they would do... I really think Longshot and Smellerbee should come back and settle the score, for Jet. I mean, it'd be something awesome for them to do--help end the war that tore everything apart. Well I think we can at least expect them in the final battle. I mean, it'd be so cruel for them to not be in it. They've devoted their life's to taking down the Fire Nation so it would only make sense for them to appear at least once more. Also, I think the creators wouldn't be as unfair as to not allow the Freedom Fighters to avenge Jet and let the group join back together. I've been imagining some pretty awesome scene in the final battle lately where those two just appear out of no where with freaking awesome new outfits and weapons and just own everything... well that is probably more my fantasy. XD I'd also like to see, even though this isn't as much a sub plot, The Duke find out that Jet has died. Poor kid... but he needs to know, they can't hide it from him...
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Post by dragonflly on Jan 21, 2008 1:14:04 GMT -5
the question i would like answered is.... what were ozai and iroh like as kids, was ozai as the younger brother always trying to one up his brother in front of azulon....... what made ozai so power hungary? That is a very good question. I would like to see what made Ozai into a powerhungry pos! What made him snap? I'd love to see Longshot and Smellerbee again too, but I just have a feeling we won't. I really think their end was at Lake Laogai.
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Post by inuyatta on Jan 21, 2008 2:33:20 GMT -5
I've been speculating on what happened--I imagined they waited for Jet to finally pass away--then they took his body, escaped from Lake Laogai and buried him at his home town. It just seems like something they would do... I really think Longshot and Smellerbee should come back and settle the score, for Jet. I mean, it'd be something awesome for them to do--help end the war that tore everything apart. Well I think we can at least expect them in the final battle. I mean, it'd be so cruel for them to not be in it. They've devoted their life's to taking down the Fire Nation so it would only make sense for them to appear at least once more. Also, I think the creators wouldn't be as unfair as to not allow the Freedom Fighters to avenge Jet and let the group join back together. I've been imagining some pretty awesome scene in the final battle lately where those two just appear out of no where with freaking awesome new outfits and weapons and just own everything... well that is probably more my fantasy. XD I'd also like to see, even though this isn't as much a sub plot, The Duke find out that Jet has died. Poor kid... but he needs to know, they can't hide it from him... I agree with this a lot--though I think the Gaang needs to head back east and reclaim BSS--it can't be that hard with a Joo Dee in charge--and really, they need to go east anyway for the Guru. Not to mention, if they re-take BSS, I'm sure it'd draw out Azula and Ozai since they JUST got it after 100 years of nothing. I mean, they're not really doing anything in the Western Air Temple, are they?
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Post by nexus on Jan 21, 2008 12:03:55 GMT -5
I agree with this a lot--though I think the Gaang needs to head back east and reclaim BSS--it can't be that hard with a Joo Dee in charge--and really, they need to go east anyway for the Guru. Not to mention, if they re-take BSS, I'm sure it'd draw out Azula and Ozai since they JUST got it after 100 years of nothing. I mean, they're not really doing anything in the Western Air Temple, are they? no, they won't retake BSS. It's near impossible with the resources they have. Ba Sing Se is incredibly strong, and there is a HUGE FN army defending it. Don't underestimate Joo Dee, btw. She is a very powerful and menacing person. And they've only spent 1 ep. at the Western Air Temple (Firebending masters was spent at the Sun Warriors palace). Aang IS learning firebending, which is important. If anything, we need to see Omashu get freed. I'm hedging my bets that King BUmi and the Earth army of Omashu will account for a large portion of the invasion force (Master Pakku and the Northern Water Tribe will be the other big portion of course). Bumi said he'd wait and listen for an opportunity, and then strike to free Omashu. He's had A WHILE now. He's gonna have to do it sometime soon.
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