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Post by Escalus (Syn) on Mar 28, 2008 18:06:33 GMT -5
Just to point out: This theory is result from doing nothing most of the week. Alright, we I have been going around in my head the idea that Katara might do something in the next episodes that is, well, not that nice. We have seen her go from season 1, where she was less then determined. Season 2 sticks her with the responsibilty to hold things togather. In this season thusfar, she has shown that she will do whatever is neccessary. Not counting her conversation with Zuko in the Western Air Temple
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Post by .....:~~LordToph~~:...... on Mar 28, 2008 19:51:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised at all. Katara has been a b*tc* to zuko and toph sends june after katara
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Post by girlunderglass on Mar 28, 2008 20:29:35 GMT -5
I have to agree here. Katara was always a really great character up until this third season.
She was even horrible to her father... and let's face it, she's a little too old to be "acting out" because she's had it rough since her father went off to fight the war. I saw that as entirely selfish- did she consider how much her father had been through as well? After not seeing him for so long, she could have been a tad more receptive.
Everything about her personality has been horrible this season.
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Lisa31468
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Post by Lisa31468 on Mar 28, 2008 22:54:43 GMT -5
You know how at high school reunions they give out those cheesy awards comparing your graduating class to what everyone was like 'then' and 'now?'
Katara would definitely win the S3 award for "Most Changed."
To say that she has shed her 'Miss Mary Sunshine' persona is an understatement.
It's kind of like the neighbor who everyone says was just so quiet and friendly (for all of S1 and S2) and then like ends up on CNN for snapping and going on an incomprehensible homicidal rampage. (S3 thus far)
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Post by mentalmishaps on Mar 29, 2008 6:48:38 GMT -5
I do believe that Katara is NOT the nice sweet little girl we have imagined her to be- not even in the first two seasons. Katara has always been a bit moody.
Quite frankly, I get angry when people whine about her and her father. That was a TOTALLY NORMAL TEENAGE REACTION! God forbid, a teenager have one of those! In the end, she knew that she was being a bit selfish and uncaring, but that didn't change the way that she was feeling. I liked that moment because it showed how Katara was growing up.
Katara has also always shown that she is willing to put everyone around her at risk to help other people or protect people's honor (Imprisoned, Jet, and now the Painted Lady) so that is nothing very new. Katara has always been at odds with Toph, always fought a little with Sokka, and always been a bit of a surd (The Waterbending Scroll, anyone?)
So Katara's personality really hasn't chnaged that much. She is a little more touchy than normal at the moment, but I'm sure she'll swing back eventually.
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Post by .....:~~LordToph~~:...... on Mar 29, 2008 8:32:33 GMT -5
She better Zuko is replaced katara as my 4th fav
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Post by Zenjamin on Mar 29, 2008 8:57:29 GMT -5
I agree mentalmishaps, Katara really hasnt changed for the worse at all in S3.
In fact, Id say the worst katara has acted all season was in S2, the runaway
I mean, she was making fun of tops blindness... what a *itch.
seriously, the only thing that has changed is that katara's two emotional outbursts have been a result of her feelings for aang (the awakening and WAT)
PS I dont play pokomon much... or at all... ever. but the title made me think of it.
"Katara uses water-beam!" "Its supper effective!" "Zuko has been defeated!" "Wha-? whats this? Karata is evolving!" "Katara has evolved from pointless, prideful *itch, to protective, needy *itch!"
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Lisa31468
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Post by Lisa31468 on Mar 29, 2008 14:02:51 GMT -5
I do believe that Katara is NOT the nice sweet little girl we have imagined her to be- not even in the first two seasons. Katara has always been a bit moody. Quite frankly, I get angry when people whine about her and her father. That was a TOTALLY NORMAL TEENAGE REACTION! God forbid, a teenager have one of those! In the end, she knew that she was being a bit selfish and uncaring, but that didn't change the way that she was feeling. I liked that moment because it showed how Katara was growing up. Katara has also always shown that she is willing to put everyone around her at risk to help other people or protect people's honor (Imprisoned, Jet, and now the Painted Lady) so that is nothing very new. Katara has always been at odds with Toph, always fought a little with Sokka, and always been a bit of a surd (The Waterbending Scroll, anyone?) So Katara's personality really hasn't chnaged that much. She is a little more touchy than normal at the moment, but I'm sure she'll swing back eventually. I completely disagree with your assertions that Katara's personality is unchanged. She is not at all the innocent and dare I say extremely naive young Inuit girl we found at the South Pole. Her character has been seasoned and developed immensely since S1 and S2. True she has become darker but not in a negative way, darker by way of being much more of a realist as a sign of her maturation and strength. **WAT SPOILER WARNING** She basically threatens Zuko's life in S3. In 'The Boy in the Iceberg' she quakes in fear at the very sight of Zuko. She clearly has evolved as a woman and has come full circle in her character development. I believe fully when she threatened Zuko, she was not kidding. Therefore for her to threaten someone's life and really mean it, is definitely a change in her perceived persona prior to S3. Where else in S1 and S2 have you ever heard or seen Katara go to such lengths with anyone? I am not making a value judgment on her actions as clearly after Aang's near death in COD, she's entitled to have venomous anger directed at Zuko. I'm making observations about her character evolution from S1 and S2 in comparison to S3. I agree mentalmishaps, Katara really hasnt changed for the worse at all in S3. In fact, Id say the worst katara has acted all season was in S2, the runawayI mean, she was making fun of tops blindness... what a *itch. seriously, the only thing that has changed is that katara's two emotional outbursts have been a result of her feelings for aang (the awakening and WAT) PS I dont play pokomon much... or at all... ever. but the title made me think of it. "Katara uses water-beam!" "Its supper effective!" "Zuko has been defeated!" "Wha-? whats this? Karata is evolving!" "Katara has evolved from pointless, prideful *itch, to protective, needy *itch!" I don't believe she's changed for the worse Z. I never said that. I do however believe she's become and is still becoming the 'Water Tribe Warrioress' she's always had within but was too busy being everyone's mother-figure to explore and find.
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Post by FireRani on Mar 29, 2008 14:11:34 GMT -5
I don't think Katara's changed her personality a lot just that a lot of her bad qualites have been enhanced. At first it was just human for her to freak out or act like a brat. Now it's like every episode it getting worst and worst in S3.
I personally don't like how she' been acting in S3 but imagine if you were trying to a help a thwelve year old kid save the world and having people trying to kill you all the time. You'd become a b**** to.
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Post by Lisa31468 on Mar 29, 2008 14:45:06 GMT -5
I don't think Katara's changed her personality a lot just that a lot of her bad qualites have been enhanced. At first it was just human for her to freak out or act like a brat. Now it's like every episode it getting worst and worst in S3. I personally don't like how she' been acting in S3 but imagine if you were trying to a help a thwelve year old kid save the world and having people trying to kill you all the time. You'd become a b**** to. I'm hesitant to label her behavior as 'bad' or merely 'moody' in S3. I know I said 'tongue-in-cheek' that she seems like she's on a rampage in S3 in an earlier post, but I was really trying to illustrate her new 'tough-as-nails' persona has replaced the idyllic schoolgirl she was once. I agree that Katara has every reason in S3 to be angry with Zuko, Hakoda, Aang and even the world at large. I don't think being enraged is at all a negative thing for her character. It's actually good thing and in many ways overdue. One of my favorite Katara scenes from S3 is when she is angry with her father and yells at him for his absence from her life. Mike and Bryan are just exquisite in their ability to 'allow' Katara to have very real feelings about war, the absence of a parent and genuine feelings of loss and anger even when there is a higher or greater need that takes the center stage, namely the war. How many kids right now are 'allowed' to feel that way about the war in Iraq? I mean even in our country military kids are told to 'understand' the sacrifice and this is just something that has to be done for the 'greater good.' Mike and Bryan gave that population a voice through Katara. Katara wasn't told to be brave or strong because her father had been away at war this entire time. She was beautifully 'allowed' to be angry and rightfully sad at being cheated out of that time with him because of a war she had no choice in whatsoever.
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Post by Azula's Flames on Mar 29, 2008 15:01:35 GMT -5
Well there has been the running joke in the famdom that Katara suffers from permenant PMS and has been known to have a short fuse since season 1 even in the first episode she thows a szich at Sokka. In season 3 these have probably become more frequent and feicer. How ever this is totally understandle because of aang dying in COD. Any time she as gotten angry or upset it usually has something to do with Aang. proof she likes aang too
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Post by Lisa31468 on Mar 29, 2008 15:14:02 GMT -5
Re: Permanent PMS
I think in some ways someone has to be the 'parental figure' otherwise why would the Gaang even bother with the whole 'saving the world and defeating the FireLord' thing when they could roam the Avatar countryside gambling, making money and picking up a new hot chick in every town they visit. (See Sokka)
In a group of kids/teenagers who are all around the same age, who would logically fill that role? I think a lot of that was explained in 'The Runaway' when Sokka has a heart-to-heart with Toph, explaining basically why Katara is well Katara.
To mean that someone has to be the 'responsible one' or the 'heavy' and since Katara has been fulfilling that role since her Mom died, she naturally continues that role in the Gaang as well.
I'm not sure if that's being motherly, having a case of permanent PMS or just being an obsessive-compulsive control freak with no where else to express it except through micro-managing everyone around you! LOL
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Post by Zenjamin on Mar 29, 2008 20:09:25 GMT -5
Where else in S1 and S2 have you ever heard or seen Katara go to such lengths with anyone? I am not making a value judgment on her actions as clearly after Aang's near death in COD, she's entitled to have venomous anger directed at Zuko. I'm making observations about her character evolution from S1 and S2 in comparison to S3. How about at the end of S1 when she slamed Zuko into the snow after freeing aang, and was ready to leave him for dead? or even in the earlier fight when she incased him in ice, unconscious, for hours... I didnt exactly see her checking his vitals. Im sorry if thats now what you meant, some people do feel that way though (Zutaran's in particular have voiced their dislike for S3 katara) But I agree that Katara's drive has always been there. its just now more... focused. and in response to your post above, I feel it should be mentioned that, yes, katara has always tried to be the responsible maternal one... all of her actions seemed to be careful and logical, except, when Aang is involved. that measured responsible side seems to get overridden when aang wants to go to go to a fire-festival, go skinny dipping swimming with his tattoos showing, invade the earth palace to talk to the earth-king, ect... and lets not forget the "I will fracken end you!" conversation.
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Post by Alleluia on Mar 29, 2008 20:52:29 GMT -5
How about at the end of S1 when she slamed Zuko into the snow after freeing aang, and was ready to leave him for dead? Aang wasn't free yet when she did that. And she didn't say one way or the other how she felt about leaving him there. It wasn't hours, it was moments. Remember when he wakes up, Katara had been wlalking back toward Aang from where she had been when she pulled that move? And both of these were battle scenarios. They were fair fights and they were not freinds then. You don't stop to check your enemy's vitals if you knock him down once or pin him to something. Thats asking to get burned. Literally, in this world. Speaking as a Zutarian, I love her in season three. She's grown up. I am actually kinda happy she has acted the way she has toward Zuko. It wouldn't be realistic otherwise. She has very strong emotions toward that boy due to past events. I agree. Its very interesting, to me. She definitely has an indulgent, soft-side toward Aang. Though I think the Earth King thing was also because it was the right course of action to take. Sokka was behind it, too, and together he and Aang made a good argument to not cut and run.
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Post by conspiracytheorist on Mar 29, 2008 21:38:24 GMT -5
We have seen her go from season 1, where she was less then determined. Season 2 sticks her with the responsibilty to hold things togather. In this season thusfar, she has shown that she will do whatever is neccessary. Katara was quite determined in the first season. When Sokka told Aang to get the heck out of the south pole, Katara blurted out that she was going with him. When Zuko captured him, she was determined to rescue him. She was determined to free Haru from prison in "Imprisoned". She was determined to learn waterbending (so determined that she put their lives in danger by stealing a waterbending scroll) in episodes nine and eighteen, especially. In the second season, it's true that Katara takes on the mother hen role for a few episodes there in the middle. But she was just as divisive in "The Chase". 9, 10 and 11 are usually the ones in Book 2 that stick with Katara in people's minds, but there are plenty of episodes in which her character isn't in a leadership role or a "my way or the highway" one. This third season has shown her in a less than favorable light, yeah. She's been put in a few bad scenes (the Hakoda scene was badly timed and badly delivered for me), and one bad episode (Painted Lady). It was really just a rehashing of old themes that has made hundreds of people here alone like Katara that much less. But she wasn't doing "whatever was necessary" when she refused to learn bloodbending from Hama. When she suggested that Toph pull off that one last scam in "The Runaway", that definitely wasn't doing whatever it took. Even though it took that eavesdropping incident to change her mind, she swallowed her pride instead of recognizing the fact that Toph was going to drop it and taking the high road. Sure, she's been pretty rough on everybody's favorite firebender, Zuko. But who would use that as a springboard for "she's a horrible person" after that ordeal in the crystal catacombs (besides millions and millions of Zuko fangirls)? There's obviously big potential for a screw-up on Katara's part here. Bloodbending? Death threats? Yeah, she's been properly set up for a fall. And hey, I'm not a Katara superfan (not this season, anyway). But I guess I'm just a bit tired of the Katara hate.
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