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Post by anitajob on Jun 23, 2012 12:17:55 GMT -5
Based on the season 1 critique thread, it seems there is near-universal agreement that LOK thus far isn't what it could or should have been. vyou.com/server/geturl/file_name/101217_qp9yq_1340317526199.mp4Based on the above video, it turns out Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko ditched the writers for LOK and did a lot/most of the writing themselves, unlike ATLA where they were executive producing rather than writing. George Lucas did the same thing with Star Wars. Episode IV's dialogue was mediocre at best, so they got writers to take over V and VI, which were classics and built the franchise. Then, Lucas decided to ruin episodes I-III by taking these responsibilities himself. I really hope they re-hire the writing team from ATLA for seasons 3 and 4 (season 2 I think is already done or halfway done). Now I understand why LOK did not feel the same way ATLA did -- it was not being written by the same hands and minds.
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Post by GROOONK'D on Jun 23, 2012 12:23:51 GMT -5
The link is broken.
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Post by anitajob on Jun 23, 2012 14:28:46 GMT -5
^Fixed.
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Post by Musogato on Jun 23, 2012 17:21:52 GMT -5
Bryke did write some of the episodes in ATLA, usually the big episodes like the Book 1 premiere and the season finales. But definitely, having more writers and crew in general to bounce ideas off of really improved ATLA. Things always get better when you have multiple people to pull creativity and constructive ideas from, unless it gets to the point where there's no longer any cohesion.
On one hand I understand them wanting to do the bulk of the writing themselves, as it is their show and their original idea. Plus, some of the scenes were really good. Emotional, intense, funny, action-packed. And the characters themselves were interesting as well.
But on the other hand, the loss of input from Aaron Ehasz and the others could definitely be felt. The pacing was too fast, most character development was brief to non-existent, and the romance was generally lacking.
The real problem is that Mike and Bryan are human, so they have their strengths and weaknesses. And since they're the main ones writing LoK, the show more strongly reflects that, unlike in ATLA where there were more people to help balance things out and add in their own strengths.
But yeah, I think Mike mentioned somewhere recently that the writing for season 2 was wrapping up, so any new crew additions would have to be for future seasons, if there are going to be any. But at the same time, it's always possible that Bryke can learn from what didn't work in this season and try to improve it for the future ones.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 23, 2012 19:14:03 GMT -5
Part of me hopes that since Bryke are now active on tumblr, they're reading feedback and taking some constructive criticisms from it. No one is perfect - like you said, but it definitely helps to have people bounce ideas off and make sure things are flowing evenly/make sense.
When writing a story, you have to make sure your audience can follow the story easily. Being the author makes that challenging because you have a perfect visual image of what's going on/what something looks like/where a character is coming from; if you get a lot of people in the room, it'll help reduce things like plotholes or things that don't make sense. Since Bryke created the story, it can make perfect sense to them why something is the way it is because they have it in their headcanon, but for us plebes we're kinda sitting here going, "wut."
Bryke aren't horrible writers; they're pretty much creative geniuses for coming up with the entire plot/series, so kudos to them, but it's nice to keep your writing staff and make sure things stay solid.
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Post by nandireya on Jun 24, 2012 2:44:29 GMT -5
Given the way they're...well...Bryan at least...are dumping crap on the Zutarians...I doubt it.
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Post by Leaf on Jun 24, 2012 5:26:11 GMT -5
What has been wrong with The Legend of Korra?
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 24, 2012 11:59:45 GMT -5
The general consensus is that there's a lot of weak character development/romance, plot holes, and very vague/ambiguous explanations.
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Post by Elisabeth Blanctorche on Jun 24, 2012 14:27:43 GMT -5
The general consensus is that there's a lot of weak character development/romance, plot holes, and very vague/ambiguous explanations. I will agree with the weak character development and romance. However, it's kind of hard to accuse LoK of having plot holes when this was only the first season. I've read that some of the themes from the first season will continue in the second season, and that's when I feel a lot of things will be more fleshed out. It's still too early to scream plot hole.
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Post by Dr. Joe on Jun 24, 2012 18:17:24 GMT -5
The general consensus is that there's a lot of weak character development/romance, plot holes, and very vague/ambiguous explanations. While I agree that there were some flaws (be fair though, ATLA had a couple of flaws too), your 'general consensus' feels more like a 'vocal minority' to me. Like I said, there were still some flaws but I absolutely loved the show.
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Post by Sheogorath on Jun 24, 2012 21:47:55 GMT -5
I agree with Dr. Joe. Every show has it's flaws, it's a fact of life, but all in all, I loved the vast majority of Season 1 of The Legend of Korra. Yes, there was weak character development and romance and vague and ambiguous explanations, but I feel it's too early to cry plot hole just yet, not when we've got three more seasons to look forward to. Now, if we got to the end of Season 4 and something more or less unanswered from this season was never addressed again, then yeah, that's a plot hole. But since there's seasons to come, I hesitate to use the term when there's the possibility the unanswered questions will be answered in time.
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Post by bolinfangirl on Jun 25, 2012 1:07:19 GMT -5
I wonder what would have happened if the series was given at least 25 episodes? Maybe they could have done more, 12 episodes you can only do so much. I do agree, the season was not as good as the original series but than the other series had more episodes and seasons to do things with. Hopefully the Legend of Korra will get three seasons like the original + movies ^
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Post by Horyo on Jun 25, 2012 3:07:10 GMT -5
^This.
12 episodes versus 61?
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 25, 2012 10:56:04 GMT -5
lmfao ok well here's the thing: there's a difference between having unresolved storylines that will be answered (ie, what about the nonbenders) or gaping plot holes such as why was Korra's airbending not cut off, how was Amon bloodbending to cut off bending connections, how did Aang fix her bending, etc, etc. At the end of every series, Bryke comes up with this deus ex machina to solve all the problems but there's no explanation of what it is/how it works.
General consensus is my opinion based on feedback from fans on tumblr/DH, so it's my interpretation of it. I still loved the show, but I'm not going to say there was nothing they could have done better/differently to improve the caliber of the series.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jun 25, 2012 23:03:38 GMT -5
I wonder what would have happened if the series was given at least 25 episodes? Maybe they could have done more, 12 episodes you can only do so much. I do agree, the season was not as good as the original series but than the other series had more episodes and seasons to do things with. Hopefully the Legend of Korra will get three seasons like the original + movies ^ Cosign. Actually I dont wonder at all. This was what Nick should have greenlit from day one.
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