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Post by yiceman on Jun 10, 2012 17:13:01 GMT -5
I'll throw my hat in with the "We need more character development" crowd. Why do we care who ends up with Mako? He first struck me as a semi-surly Zuzu clone, but lately it's become clear that Zuko's left toenail was more interesting than this guy. I'm thinking both girls should just become Bolin's harem, y/y?
Was pretty sure, and checked to confirm, that Yokone was voiced by Clancy Brown, aka Long Feng himself.
Also, am I the only one who's convinced that Sokka probably told an anecdote about his "trusty boomerang" before every single ruling he made on that council?
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 10, 2012 18:39:34 GMT -5
I really don't much like to compare characters because then expectations are set and you can get disappointed but Bryke were the ones who initially compared Mako to Zuko.
They are nothing alike.
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Argyle Bender
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Post by Argyle Bender on Jun 10, 2012 18:58:24 GMT -5
I would tend to agree with everyone who feels sorry for Asami. The hits just keep coming for her, don't they? It's pretty obvious after this episode that Mako does indeed care for Korra, and that's just painful to watch. Especially since Mako is not a compelling character. Like many of you, I rode with him for a while out of Zuko nostalgia; but with no substance of his own to add, my emotional investment in Mako has flared out. That being said, this episode saw a huge jump in my interest in Amon. He is a total badass and I am deeply intrigued by his obvious but unexplained spiritual connection. I want to know his real motivations and past, as the burned-face one is patently fictional. Aside from Amon's rise in the ranks of my esteem, the other thing from this episode that captured me was the reference to Yakone bloodbending only when it was not the full moon. Perhaps he did do this to be trixytrixy, but I think perhaps not. Why would they address it so explicitly? I wonder if, instead, by-day bloodbenders draw their power from a force which Yue actually opposes, and it is only when she is strongest that their forbidden bending is blocked. I couldn't think who, unless it is the ocean spirit. After all, those two have their eternal dance, push and pull, life and death, good and evil. Edit: P.S. Is there anywhere I can see the promo online? I don't have a TV, so I don't see any of the promos. Edit 2: Nevermind, here it is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmMjBdBuHSI
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Zidaneski
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Post by Zidaneski on Jun 10, 2012 23:38:16 GMT -5
Nice promo but man i'm really hating Mako now. Korra seriously needs to turn him down and give him the friend card.
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Post by copshowguy on Jun 11, 2012 15:16:35 GMT -5
I really don't have much to say about this episode. Good to see the flashbacks all connected and played out. I don't really consider it connecting with past lives/Aang though. Korra was mostly just watching a recording. A spirit recording. She never conversed with Aang.
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Post by nandireya on Jun 11, 2012 16:47:03 GMT -5
I'm thinking both girls should just become Bolin's harem, y/y? They don't deserve him...
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Post by Musogato on Jun 12, 2012 2:33:46 GMT -5
MasterEcabob: "Then again, if Aang had had Bumi and Iroh or some of the other tough benders helping out from the start Katara and Sokka probably would have fallen by the wayside too."That is a really good point. It would be really hard for a character to grow and shine when there's always someone there to handle stuff for them. Reminds me of this interview quote; I can't remember if it was from J.K. Rowling or something related to Disney, but they said the first step to writing a youth-based story was to Remove The Adults, because otherwise they would solve the kids' problems for them. Although on the flip side, by having Tenzin and Lin be overpowered by the Equalists, it shows how exceptionally tough these bad guys are. Horyo and Nandi re: the metal box, what do you mean? Unless her shoes had rubber soles, wouldn't she be electrocuted by standing on the metal? I thought the reason she was safe by hanging was because that ceiling grate was made of a different material. Regarding the bloodbending, that's a really good point that we only had limited information on it, so it seems very plausible that further studies would expand the art. If the part about not being able to bloodbend during a full moon was true though, perhaps some kind of genetic anomaly played a part too, since there was an emphasis on Tarrlok being Yakone's son. As for Yakone, I also agree it was pretty ridiculous to have him in open court without any precautions when he allegedly could control people like puppets. I'm not sure what the prison life sentence would have done either, considering he could just control the guards to set him free. I mean really, were they hoping he'd just go along with it? yiceman, Haha, yeah, I'd totally believe the council heard too many 'trusty boomerang' stories over the years. xD As for Mako, it's troublesome on two parts. A comparison to Zuko is inevitable because they're both handsome(ish) and moody(ish), but it's unfair because Zuko had 61 episodes to develop and character arc, and Mako has... 12? 26? What more, Zuko is emotional and sometimes volatile, so it's easy to see where he's at and to either connect or make fun of him. Meanwhile Mako is more reserved and closed-off, making it much harder to connect. Plus he can be a jerk sometimes which never helps, especially if he doesn't get called out on it which he should be, though it's not like there's time for it. Honestly I still think episode 3 was one of his best episodes, just because it forced him to open up. Maybe the last 3 eps will help too since there's such high stakes and Korra is clearly one of his important people now, but... I guess we'll see. Maybe the character development will be more rounded next season. But yeah, with so many potentially interesting characters in the line-up, it's kind of... I don't want to say wasteful, but.. maybe unfortunate, that the little time allowed for character development is spent not really further developing the characters. But at least there's always fandom to help fill in the gaps.
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Post by nandireya on Jun 12, 2012 3:05:36 GMT -5
Horyo and Nandi re: the metal box, what do you mean? Unless her shoes had rubber soles, wouldn't she be electrocuted by standing on the metal? I thought the reason she was safe by hanging was because that ceiling grate was made of a different material. The tyres of the car actually don't make a difference apparently...the lightening just arcs around the metal.
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Post by Escalus (Syn) on Jun 12, 2012 14:28:33 GMT -5
I really don't much like to compare characters because then expectations are set and you can get disappointed but Bryke were the ones who initially compared Mako to Zuko. They are nothing alike. I wouldn't say that, since I still think that Zuko and Mako are connected.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 12, 2012 19:12:58 GMT -5
I really don't much like to compare characters because then expectations are set and you can get disappointed but Bryke were the ones who initially compared Mako to Zuko. They are nothing alike. I wouldn't say that, since I still think that Zuko and Mako are connected. Okay, sure, at the end of the day, they're both firebenders, and males, and have some baggage attached with their past, blah, blah, blah, yes. There are some good, solid similarities. But I think Bryke saying "Mako reminds us of Zuko without the angst" is a stretch. (As for Zuko and Mako being connected, I personally think that would be a bit of a cop out - depending on how 'connected' is defined but we are all entitled to our own theories.) @jade: Those are definitely some great points about the development of Mako versus Zuko. I think episode 3 was definitely the peak of Mako's development and since then he's plateaued a bit aside from mostly being Asami's boo thang. I'm hoping that the last 3 episodes work on that as well though, and next season continues to flesh him out. (Personally, I think that Mako/Korra could be a great relationship but I'll be severely disappointed if they get in a relationship this season. Mako needs a lot of work before I'll give it my seal of approval.) I also agree about the influence of adults in the series. If anything, we can look back at the formula of the original series. It could have been very easy for Aang to have Pakku, Bumi, and Jeong Jeong or Iroh to be his element masters for water, earth, and fire, but instead, Katara, Toph, and Zuko were his masters. While I love Lin and Tenzin, I think their major parts in the show has changed the formula in a way, and since Korra had already mastered earth and firebending, Mako and Bolin don't have anything to contribute to her (aside from lightning on Mako's part and potentially metal). kasjdkasfhajsd it's just so confusing. There are really pros and cons to everything in this series and everything that's been done so far.
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Post by Escalus (Syn) on Jun 12, 2012 20:12:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that, since I still think that Zuko and Mako are connected. Okay, sure, at the end of the day, they're both firebenders, and males, and have some baggage attached with their past, blah, blah, blah, yes. There are some good, solid similarities. But I think Bryke saying "Mako reminds us of Zuko without the angst" is a stretch. (As for Zuko and Mako being connected, I personally think that would be a bit of a cop out - depending on how 'connected' is defined but we are all entitled to our own theories.) @jade: Those are definitely some great points about the development of Mako versus Zuko. I think episode 3 was definitely the peak of Mako's development and since then he's plateaued a bit aside from mostly being Asami's boo thang. I'm hoping that the last 3 episodes work on that as well though, and next season continues to flesh him out. (Personally, I think that Mako/Korra could be a great relationship but I'll be severely disappointed if they get in a relationship this season. Mako needs a lot of work before I'll give it my seal of approval.) I also agree about the influence of adults in the series. If anything, we can look back at the formula of the original series. It could have been very easy for Aang to have Pakku, Bumi, and Jeong Jeong or Iroh to be his element masters for water, earth, and fire, but instead, Katara, Toph, and Zuko were his masters. While I love Lin and Tenzin, I think their major parts in the show has changed the formula in a way, and since Korra had already mastered earth and firebending, Mako and Bolin don't have anything to contribute to her (aside from lightning on Mako's part and potentially metal). kasjdkasfhajsd it's just so confusing. There are really pros and cons to everything in this series and everything that's been done so far. I meant literally connected, as in grandson or great-nephew. (obviously estranged via Azula) I don't find it much of a cop out if the proper backstory is given, and that it vindicates his non royal status. He is obviously not character developed enough yet, since we still have no real idea how he and his brother got to RC, plus if they are even really blood. I'm not looking for a zuko clone, but something that shows that the moody/emo character can surcome to his demons.... the opposite of Zuko in many ways.
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Post by Argyle Bender on Jun 12, 2012 21:42:57 GMT -5
Horyo and Nandi re: the metal box, what do you mean? Unless her shoes had rubber soles, wouldn't she be electrocuted by standing on the metal? I thought the reason she was safe by hanging was because that ceiling grate was made of a different material. I'm not sure about the science...if you're standing next to a tree that is struck by lightning, you can be killed even though the current didn't need to go through you to ground itself. She definitely could have been seriously harmed or killed if she was, for example, leaning on or touching the wall while standing--any position that would allow the current to travel through her heart. I'm torn, but anyway, hanging via an insulated material was clever cheese.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 13, 2012 15:12:46 GMT -5
Okay, sure, at the end of the day, they're both firebenders, and males, and have some baggage attached with their past, blah, blah, blah, yes. There are some good, solid similarities. But I think Bryke saying "Mako reminds us of Zuko without the angst" is a stretch. (As for Zuko and Mako being connected, I personally think that would be a bit of a cop out - depending on how 'connected' is defined but we are all entitled to our own theories.) @jade: Those are definitely some great points about the development of Mako versus Zuko. I think episode 3 was definitely the peak of Mako's development and since then he's plateaued a bit aside from mostly being Asami's boo thang. I'm hoping that the last 3 episodes work on that as well though, and next season continues to flesh him out. (Personally, I think that Mako/Korra could be a great relationship but I'll be severely disappointed if they get in a relationship this season. Mako needs a lot of work before I'll give it my seal of approval.) I also agree about the influence of adults in the series. If anything, we can look back at the formula of the original series. It could have been very easy for Aang to have Pakku, Bumi, and Jeong Jeong or Iroh to be his element masters for water, earth, and fire, but instead, Katara, Toph, and Zuko were his masters. While I love Lin and Tenzin, I think their major parts in the show has changed the formula in a way, and since Korra had already mastered earth and firebending, Mako and Bolin don't have anything to contribute to her (aside from lightning on Mako's part and potentially metal). kasjdkasfhajsd it's just so confusing. There are really pros and cons to everything in this series and everything that's been done so far. I meant literally connected, as in grandson or great-nephew. (obviously estranged via Azula) I don't find it much of a cop out if the proper backstory is given, and that it vindicates his non royal status. He is obviously not character developed enough yet, since we still have no real idea how he and his brother got to RC, plus if they are even really blood. I'm not looking for a zuko clone, but something that shows that the moody/emo character can surcome to his demons.... the opposite of Zuko in many ways. Eh, maybe. I think it'll be a cop out in the sense of I really don't want this to be "THE SECOND GENERATION" type of thing but, to each his own.
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Post by Escalus (Syn) on Jun 13, 2012 15:39:23 GMT -5
I meant literally connected, as in grandson or great-nephew. (obviously estranged via Azula) I don't find it much of a cop out if the proper backstory is given, and that it vindicates his non royal status. He is obviously not character developed enough yet, since we still have no real idea how he and his brother got to RC, plus if they are even really blood. I'm not looking for a zuko clone, but something that shows that the moody/emo character can surcome to his demons.... the opposite of Zuko in many ways. Eh, maybe. I think it'll be a cop out in the sense of I really don't want this to be "THE SECOND GENERATION" type of thing but, to each his own. While I'm not to hot on that either, I think you can't really avoid it now, since this episode made an even more concrete connection to what is happening in the present to what happened with the Gaang in the past. My hope is that they will humble Team avatar (Past not present) even more in the coming season. I may not have totally been on board with the way they where humbled in this episode..... but I would love a deep and abiding divide between the Gaang that facilitated the conflict now. (A nice allusion to the mistakes and unresolved problems of past avatars)
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Post by attonbitus on Jun 13, 2012 16:45:48 GMT -5
No much needs to be said about the ep.
On the rushing feel of the season... that's all on Bryke. I find it hilarious that Nick begged them for more eps. Instead of fleshing this arc to be character driven they seemed have something else in mind and are content with this rushed approach.
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