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Post by Fire Nation Goddess on May 16, 2012 17:03:48 GMT -5
I find myself wondering if Amon is truly able to permanently take away a person's bending, or if it will eventually wear off/if there is a way to reverse or fix it.
When Tenzin first heard about Amon's ability, he remark that it was "impossible" - mostly likely out of sheer shock/surprise.
Nonetheless, it makes me wonder. Do you think Amon is really as powerful as he seems to be?
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Post by ILZ on May 16, 2012 19:58:58 GMT -5
If if is not permanent, it is at least lasts for several weeks. He took Lightning Bolt Jolt and the other triads' bending back in the third episode. The next episode seems to happen right after that encounter, but we've been led to believe that some time passes between the next couple of episodes. Since Tahno and the Wolfbats don't laugh off the removal of their bending as only temporary, this suggests that the loss lasts at least a month or two, since I'm sure it would be publicized if the triads regained their bending.
Of course, there is still a chance that the change isn't permanent, but I have a feeling that it is. I really hope that we get some more insight into how Amon gained this power, because it does seem like something that should be limited to the Avatar.
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Post by Seabiscuit on May 16, 2012 23:02:09 GMT -5
I think he somehow wound up learning from a spirit of some sort, because I don't see Mr. Lion Turtle having a whole lot of people he talks to. I have this idea in my head that he somehow learned from Koh, because he was awfully important for us not to see again. And if he stole Amon's face (which he couldn't have since Amon has eyes but you get my point) it would explain the mask!
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Post by dirtyyasuki on May 18, 2012 8:34:39 GMT -5
Until we can hear news from the series that those affected by Amon's blocking of their bending regain their abilities at any subsequent point we can only assume that it is practically permanent.
From a story standpoint I don't think it would be very intimidating for the Equalists to claim to be able to openly take away someone's bending and just have it come back later at some point no matter how long it takes. However it does make sense that if it's a matter of blocking the chi/energy of the bender to take away their bending, then unblocking the energy/chi in a victim will probably restore their ability. At least as far as theory regarding the manipulation of chi/energy is concerned.
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Post by attonbitus on May 18, 2012 9:17:01 GMT -5
I'm going with the Library thing. If they have scrolls on spirits, i'm sure there's one about taking chi or at least where to learn about taking chi.
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Post by ILZ on May 19, 2012 18:17:43 GMT -5
^But, I would think that any scrolls on things like taking bending would only be found in Wan Shi Tong's library, and he took that back to the spirit world most likely before Amon was even born.
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Post by attonbitus on May 20, 2012 12:04:25 GMT -5
A lot of time has past since he went back, who's to day he didn't come back to learn about all the new technologies.
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Post by ILZ on May 20, 2012 19:19:05 GMT -5
A lot of time has past since he went back, who's to day he didn't come back to learn about all the new technologies. That's possible, but wouldn't he still be able to send his knowledge seekers into the physical world to bring back any new information to the spirit world without having to actually move the library? |
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Post by Nashk Tategami on May 20, 2012 22:21:39 GMT -5
Well with the latest episode none of the best healers in the city were able to heal the afflicted, but that was a very generic statement and without details we still have no way of knowing whether or not Amon is legit.
For example were the healers waterbenders? Doctors of practice medicine? We're any spiritual guru's? I don't know if The statement was the writers shorthanded way to tell us without too much time wasted, or if it's a red herring to throw us off.
In any case my personal theory is that Amon does take bending away legitimately, but can be healed of you know the right technique. I doubt it's energy bending, but perhaps has something to do with chakra's, and blocking them. After all, spirituality seems to have faded in republic city, and no one has ever had to deal with losing their bending in such large numbers.
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Post by dirtyyasuki on May 21, 2012 9:40:30 GMT -5
I'm beginning to wonder a great deal if whether or not Amon really learned how to take away people's bending from the spirits or Aang taught him when he was young to get justice on those who took his family from him.
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Post by Nashk Tategami on May 21, 2012 12:54:40 GMT -5
I'm beginning to wonder a great deal if whether or not Amon really learned how to take away people's bending from the spirits or Aang taught him when he was young to get justice on those who took his family from him. I doubt Aang taught him anything. Aang took away Ozai's firebending via energy bending, which was a sort of battle between souls (and rather flashy at that.) Amon seems to be using something different. When he takes away someone's bending, it much more subtle (relatively speaking) and looks more like a sort of chi-blocking technique with the way he uses pressure points (such as the chakra(?) in the forehead.) |
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Post by KpKimberly on May 22, 2012 11:54:01 GMT -5
I don't believe he can't bend.
I think he controls the blood in a Person,bloodbending,and is able to block the chi forever.
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Post by Nashk Tategami on May 24, 2012 0:43:03 GMT -5
Unlikely. I don't think blood bending has much to do with chi blocking, which is an art of attacking pressure points in the body to block the flow of chi.
Blood bending is a delicate and rare (rare in, as far as we know, only one person knows how to use it and it doesn't have a utilitarian use like lighting does) art that is used as a torture and invented as a tool of revenge. Blood bending is meant to humiliate, to control the body in a broad and clumsy way. I don't think it can be used to (directly, as amon does) block chi and remove bending.
Amon's ability to remove bending seems to put specific emphasis on a few important pressure points and chakra's, (specifically the ajna in the brain behind the eyebrows) which in a rough bastardization of the hindu beliefs is a spiritual "gateway" that allows external spiritual energy to enter the body.
As such it is likely Amon is directly messing with chakra's to disrupt bending, a very spiritual matter (and lends some credence to the claim he learned from spirits) but of course only time will tell the truth.
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Post by dirtyyasuki on May 24, 2012 1:13:45 GMT -5
I doubt Aang taught him anything. Aang took away Ozai's firebending via energy bending, which was a sort of battle between souls (and rather flashy at that.) Amon seems to be using something different. When he takes away someone's bending, it much more subtle (relatively speaking) and looks more like a sort of chi-blocking technique with the way he uses pressure points (such as the chakra(?) in the forehead.) I don't think energybending and chi blocking in the series is mutually exclusive. Energybending ties into chi blocking/chi manipulation of the body since Chi in real life translates to it's western equivalent: the body's energy. Maybe Amon's way of doing it is more subtle than Aang's due to possibly being able to do it despite being a non-bender. According to real life sources, Blocking Chakra's, Chi and manipulating pressure points not only involves blocking nerve fibers and bloodflow but the flow of energy or chi itself in the body. In many cases the flow of one's life force/energy is supposedly the tangible parts of a person's soul, which is why the Hindu's believe that when a person's body dies his soul transfers into another body in the divine cycle, because the soul is energy and energy according to even science can never be destroyed only change forms. Reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChakrasIn essence, I believe energybending and chi-blocking are simply one and the same in the real world and in the Avatar's world just as Guru Pathik described. It's more than possible that what the Dragon Turtle meant was that at the dawn of time when the spirits were closer to those who lived in the world taught literally everyone to bend the energy within their bodies. Although people in later eras have largely forgotten how to master this type of discipline, some of its techniques continued to be passed down through the ages in the form of chi-blocking/manipulation and recently taking away someone's bending. I think it would be interesting to see a true energybender that survived to the present. I believe they would be able to manipulate the chi/energy in living beings but not the elements themselves. |
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Post by Nashk Tategami on May 25, 2012 13:00:09 GMT -5
Mmm, I don't entirely agree, but not because of the lore with chi and body manipulation, but because we have seen energy bending first hand, and it looks nothing like what Amon is doing.
Of course we simply don't know anything yet, and there could be multiple styles of energy bending, with what we know I don't agree that it is energy bending. Especially with how much emphasis on the danger of its use by the Lion Turtle that energy bending is a duel between souls.
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