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Post by ILZ on Sept 24, 2010 17:50:38 GMT -5
That's the problem that I have with this theory. It seems way too predictable, maybe there will be a small conflict between them or something along those lines, instead of them being one of the key villains. Mike and Bryan seem very adamant about making this series different and separate from ATLA, so I don't think they would choose the next villain to not only be from the Fire Nation, but also a descendant of a previous villain. It should be borne in mind that we still dont know to what extent any of the 4 nations in their original form still exists. Talking about the Fire Nation maybe as defunct as talking about the Soviet Union today. Not disagreeing with your point but its something to consider. That is a good point, especially since people from all the nations seem to be living in Republic City. Of course the benders are always going to be associated with their element, and as a result that nation. (Perhaps that even why the bender/non-bender conflict is occurring, because of the benders loyalty to their element or nation comes before their loyalty to the government of Republic City).
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Post by dirtyyasuki on Sept 30, 2010 1:22:45 GMT -5
It should be borne in mind that we still dont know to what extent any of the 4 nations in their original form still exists. Talking about the Fire Nation maybe as defunct as talking about the Soviet Union today. Not disagreeing with your point but its something to consider. That is a good point, especially since people from all the nations seem to be living in Republic City. Of course the benders are always going to be associated with their element, and as a result that nation. (Perhaps that even why the bender/non-bender conflict is occurring, because of the benders loyalty to their element or nation comes before their loyalty to the government of Republic City). That maybe... but from the descriptions of republic City being a "melting pot" of cultures like New York and Shanghai was in the 20's and 30's... Let's just say there also a strong chance that you will have some gangs/ groups of people who are "multi-national" in membership... Just saying.
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Post by That Kid Neo on Oct 3, 2010 12:51:31 GMT -5
I'm in the group that would rather have the characters not necessarily being related to Gaang. With the exception of Korra and Tozin (or whatever his name is) I would enjoy meeting new, unrelated characters.
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Post by valentine on Oct 7, 2010 21:00:47 GMT -5
Do you think that after her complete and utter self destruction she would calm down and becomes normal. Hahaha I just think after she went all crazy...not sure any guy would marry a crazy person =P But yeah I do have to agree with what has been said above. It's not like Azula isn't attractive, because it's impossible to not see she would be attractive.
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Post by Musogato on Oct 7, 2010 23:28:57 GMT -5
While Azula did become unhinged, that doesn't mean she's beyond help. She had a breakdown, and her life-long control/manipulate others mentality finally snapped back at her. While she certainly has her issues, we have to remember, she was 14/15 at the finale. There are a lot of real-life troubled teens out there, and they are not 100% doomed causes. Now, maybe I'm just more pro-hope, but I definitely think it's possible for Azula to recover. Now, whether she decides to keep her manipulative mentality or tries trusting in others for a change, is up to fanfic writers until Korra airs.
Personally, I like the idea of Azula trying out a new leaf, with maybe Mai and Ty Lee visiting her again. I'm sure she'd still be bitter about certain things, and a little manipulative now and then, but otherwise trying to find her way in life again.
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Post by dirtyyasuki on Oct 7, 2010 23:55:34 GMT -5
While Azula did become unhinged, that doesn't mean she's beyond help. She had a breakdown, and her life-long control/manipulate others mentality finally snapped back at her. While she certainly has her issues, we have to remember, she was 14/15 at the finale. There are a lot of real-life troubled teens out there, and they are not 100% doomed causes. Now, maybe I'm just more pro-hope, but I definitely think it's possible for Azula to recover. Now, whether she decides to keep her manipulative mentality or tries trusting in others for a change, is up to fanfic writers until Korra airs. Personally, I like the idea of Azula trying out a new leaf, with maybe Mai and Ty Lee visiting her again. I'm sure she'd still be bitter about certain things, and a little manipulative now and then, but otherwise trying to find her way in life again. Seeing as how rumors peg her kids as being the possible antagonists to the supposed new "GAANG" of Korra's... I doubt Azula became any flavor of 'well-adjusted' since we last saw her. If anything Azula having kids who're already being pegged as the "bad guys" shows she's become even more unhinged since she somehow found a way to "spread" her brand of lunacy to her kids instead of showing she found the joy of motherhood and spirit of family life. And even if she did find the joy of motherhood et al, as with all things Azula her ideas about them are bound to be "twisted". As a jaded cynic I believe that even the almost four-color world of Avatar can have irredeemable characters whether they are 14 year old girls or evil/insane crones.
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Post by Musogato on Oct 9, 2010 3:01:11 GMT -5
.... Okay, I completely forgot about the rumour of her/grandkids being the Korra villains when I wrote that. Still though, I root for redemption, even if in the rumour's case it had to be short-lived. As for Azula's twisted brand of motherhood (and well, everything), if The Beach is any indication, it'd be as hilarious as it was awful.
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Post by shen on Oct 9, 2010 17:43:50 GMT -5
Seeing as how rumors peg her kids as being the possible antagonists to the supposed new "GAANG" of Korra's... I doubt Azula became any flavor of 'well-adjusted' since we last saw her. If anything Azula having kids who're already being pegged as the "bad guys" shows she's become even more unhinged since she somehow found a way to "spread" her brand of lunacy to her kids instead of showing she found the joy of motherhood and spirit of family life. And even if she did find the joy of motherhood et al, as with all things Azula her ideas about them are bound to be "twisted". As a jaded cynic I believe that even the almost four-color world of Avatar can have irredeemable characters whether they are 14 year old girls or evil/insane crones. Azula wasn't a completely evil villain, she became evil because of her circumstances and not beyond redemption as Bryan and Mike said in Sozin's Comet book interview. Azula's grandchildren becoming the antagonists to Korra , they will be the Ivan Vanko of avatar and it will be a lot similar to Iron Man 2. Tony Stark the son of Howard Stark ( the good guys )defeated Ivan Vanko the son of Anton Vanko (the bad guys). Naruto has a similar trend, Madara Uchiha ( the bad guy) fought and lost to Minato Uzumaki ( the good guy). Naruto Uzumaki the son of Minato (the good guys) fought Itachi Uchiha ( the same clan as Madara, the bad guy) and he will likely fight Sasuke Uchiha who is from the same clan as Madara too. Of course, Madara wasn't the ancestor of the Uchihas but he was their leader. Will Azula's grandchildren become like the Uchihas who dedicate their lives to revenge? Avatar had charactesr like Hama and Jet who dedicated their lives to revenge as well. I don't think Zuko will let this happen because it will create troubles that he doesn't need. In spite of what I said, I still expect Azula and her grandchildren to be the antagonists in Korra unless Bryan and Mike show otherwise.
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Post by dirtyyasuki on Oct 9, 2010 21:14:40 GMT -5
.... Okay, I completely forgot about the rumour of her/grandkids being the Korra villains when I wrote that. Still though, I root for redemption, even if in the rumour's case it had to be short-lived. As for Azula's twisted brand of motherhood (and well, everything), if The Beach is any indication, it'd be as hilarious as it was awful. Which doesn't make the potential consequences any less painful to watch hence my mention of the "squik" trope. ;D Azula wasn't a completely evil villain, she became evil because of her circumstances and not beyond redemption as Bryan and Mike said in Sozin's Comet book interview. Azula's grandchildren becoming the antagonists to Korra , they will be the Ivan Vanko of avatar and it will be a lot similar to Iron Man 2. Tony Stark the son of Howard Stark ( the good guys )defeated Ivan Vanko the son of Anton Vanko (the bad guys). Naruto has a similar trend, Madara Uchiha ( the bad guy) fought and lost to Minato Uzumaki ( the good guy). Naruto Uzumaki the son of Minato (the good guys) fought Itachi Uchiha ( the same clan as Madara, the bad guy) and he will likely fight Sasuke Uchiha who is from the same clan as Madara too. Of course, Madara wasn't the ancestor of the Uchihas but he was their leader. Will Azula's grandchildren become like the Uchihas who dedicate their lives to revenge? Avatar had charactesr like Hama and Jet who dedicated their lives to revenge as well. I don't think Zuko will let this happen because it will create troubles that he doesn't need. In spite of what I said, I still expect Azula and her grandchildren to be the antagonists in Korra unless Bryan and Mike show otherwise. Her circumstances may have been to blame or it was just as likely that Azula was the sibling between her and Zuko who Toph regarded as being "born bad" by taking after her father Ozai and her great grandfather before her. But regardless of how she became evil the point is she is and was evil and redemption, while possible in any realm of probability, still doesn't account for what we saw (or didn't see) by the end of the series where she wasn't shown as having redemption being high on her list of life priorities. And from the rumors of her grand kids being the antagonists in the upcoming AtLoK, it seems that possible redemption Mike and Bryan alluded to at the end of the series was never realized with her as it seems more apparent that her grudge and evil survived her mortal lifespan as the legacy she left for her descendants. Saying Azula wasn't "all-evil" is like saying she had redeeming qualities. Both statements are true, but in light of her overall personality, how she lived her life that we saw and now that her life is presumably over (according to the Andrea Romano interview) we can judge her partially by the life/legacy she left behind and that legacy seems to be one potentially infused with revenge, evil and lunacy. It's possible not all of her grandkids maybe all bad. Some of them may even turn out to be the next Zuko among her descendants, but you don't leave a legacy of promoting antagonists in the story among your descendants without leading a life of villainy. So from my understanding of Azula's life/ legacy, she went from possibly redeeming herself at the end of the old series to more than likely irredeemable by virtue of the rumors of her grandkids roles in the upcoming series. But I will also concede that nothing we've heard so far has been defined as "set in stone" and I am more than willing to accept that my theories regarding Azula's legacy of villainy in the upcoming series will be wrong in more than one sense.
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Post by shen on Oct 10, 2010 14:28:49 GMT -5
Azula can't have redemption being high on her list of life priorities because she was a morally conflicted insane person. In the finale she was portrayed as a tragic sympathetic person who needed help. As we all know, she was sent to mental health facility to rehabilitate.The best judgment of any avatar character comes from Bryan and Mike not from another character. If she and her descendants become the villains, it means that the mental health failed to treat her, Zuko failed to stop it from happening ( proving Ozai was right, Zuko was a failure) and proving Aang was wrong when he said everyone deserves a second chance ( the previous avatars were right, Aang must kill Ozai and Azula) because Zuko shouldn't spared her life or Aang should've taken her bending away. Plus, it will create hate and sympathize cycle, and the new heroes correct the mistakes of the previous heroes cycle. Bryan and Mike know the anti-bender movement is similar to the Superhuman Registration Acts in comics. www.ugo.com/tv/comic-con-2010-legend-of-korra-interviewThe reason why the fans see Azula as the next villain in any post-war conflict is she is the best villain in the show and many post-war fan fictions or fan comics reflect that like Rufftoon's Water Tribe Zhao. Perhaps Azula's grandkids will try to get rid of Korra when she will go to the Fire Nation to learn firebending. From my understanding, Azula and her grandkids will create the anti-bending movement and/or crime = Akatsuki from Naruto and Arrancar and Espada from Bleach. Akatsuki created by a manipulative villain, Madara Uchiha and Arrancar and Espada created by another manipulative villain, Sosuke Aizen. It will be similar to popular anime and predictable. The idea of the next antagonists from the Fire Nation won't be that interesting. It is better that the antagonists have nothing to do with the previous villains. I agree with you. If Azula's grandkids become the next antagonists, it means that she became another Hama and another Ozai. Korra has to deal with other members of a royal dysfunctional family of the Fire Nation just like Aang. One of her grandkids or more may be like Jet or Zuko.
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Post by YourFriendlyTotoro on Oct 10, 2010 18:59:22 GMT -5
I think If any of the antagonists have any relation to Azula it would kind of be a cop out. And it wouldn't fit the direction of the show. If i'm correct there is supposed to be an anti-bender sentiment among the populace. If this turns out to be true I could see a villain being anti-bender and not belong to a fire bending or any type of bending family.
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Post by asian malaysian on Oct 11, 2010 22:40:42 GMT -5
I think If any of the antagonists have any relation to Azula it would kind of be a cop out. And it wouldn't fit the direction of the show. If i'm correct there is supposed to be an anti-bender sentiment among the populace. If this turns out to be true I could see a villain being anti-bender and not belong to a fire bending or any type of bending family. Well Ozai cant bend so I could see him having build a movement out of sheer spite but I agree with you in respect of Azula.
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Post by shen on Oct 12, 2010 18:08:48 GMT -5
Although Azula was beautiful, the Fire Nation boys in The Beach weren't interested in talking to her like Mai and Ty Lee. Chan thought she was pretty and was interested in her but he ran away when she intimidated him. So her beauty wouldn't stop her future husband from leaving her if he knew she manipulated him unless he had a weak personality combined with her controlling personality. Zuko would notice it and still not everyone would be manipulated .Still controlling people with fear or without it wouldn't work for her. Well Ozai cant bend so I could see him having build a movement out of sheer spite. It is possible. Technology flourished during his rule.
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Post by dirtyyasuki on Oct 12, 2010 23:28:44 GMT -5
The reason why the fans see Azula as the next villain in any post-war conflict is she is the best villain in the show and many post-war fan fictions or fan comics reflect that like Rufftoon's Water Tribe Zhao. Perhaps Azula's grandkids will try to get rid of Korra when she will go to the Fire Nation to learn firebending. Little nitpick there... but according to Bryke and company... Korra is in her late teens and has already mastered Water, Earth and Fire by the time the series will open. The only element she has left to learn will be Air from Tenzin in Republic City. From my understanding, Azula and her grandkids will create the anti-bending movement and/or crime = Akatsuki from Naruto and Arrancar and Espada from Bleach. Akatsuki created by a manipulative villain, Madara Uchiha and Arrancar and Espada created by another manipulative villain, Sosuke Aizen. It will be similar to popular anime and predictable. The idea of the next antagonists from the Fire Nation won't be that interesting. It is better that the antagonists have nothing to do with the previous villains. I agree with you. If Azula's grandkids become the next antagonists, it means that she became another Hama and another Ozai. Korra has to deal with other members of a royal dysfunctional family of the Fire Nation just like Aang. One of her grandkids or more may be like Jet or Zuko. Maybe... but I would much prefer that the new antagonists behind the Anti-bender revolt be started or masterminded by someone other than Ozai/Azula et al... I love continuity as much as the next geek... but if it's too obvious like Azula's descendants being the rumored antagonists in this series then I think it's a little too much. But we'll wait and see... The Order of the White Lotus... Now there's a twist mastermind to the Anti-Bender Revolt I would love to see.
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Post by shen on Oct 16, 2010 12:57:55 GMT -5
No matter how Azula's descendants being the antagonists is well executed, it will be very obvious. Since a Nick mod was the only one who posted the unconfirmed rumors, it might be a mix up. Assuming only Mike, Bryan, Nick executives and the people who are working on Korra know everything. . The Order of the White Lotus... Now there's a twist mastermind to the Anti-Bender Revolt I would love to see. I would like to see that as well.
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