Aanglover
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Post by Aanglover on Sept 9, 2010 20:34:23 GMT -5
the effects of drugs(including injected drugs) can range from mild to serious side effects. some just feel "high"while others hallucinate seeing/hearing things. i havent been in the presence of people actually doing said things but i do truely just sit back and think about why people do these things. Whether to use it as a stimulant or as a depressant. i find it that most people still in school do it cuz "their friends" do it or that they complain about their "miserable, suicidal" life and use the drug(s) to help...it really just makes them more unhappy ive found (and believe me...ive been around those kinds of people in school). But It is a personal choice though a very dumb one (imo) if its used other than medical purposes. im just saying...the world would be better off without illegal non medicinal drugs.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 9, 2010 22:14:43 GMT -5
Aanglover and Longshotgirl (can I shorten that somehow?), I think we hold the minority opinion here but thanks for weighing in, it takes a lot of guts to be in agreement with me. You guys give me hope.
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Post by longshotsgirl58 on Sept 10, 2010 9:36:14 GMT -5
The usual shortening of my name is LSG lol. And Nightmare I know what you mean. I have always been in the minority with debate. However, I know my opinion and stance on this and thats whats important in the long run.
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Post by goten0040 on Sept 10, 2010 22:31:15 GMT -5
Well, Nightmare, I hope you don't think anyone is personally against you. I don't mind a good debate, and sometimes I'll even play devil's advocate to see what goes down. Still, though the subject is different in my view, I just wanted you to be aware that it's nothing personal. I'm glad to see the fire has kind of died down in here a bit. Remember, folks, this is not a personal fight. This is a debate.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 11, 2010 0:42:37 GMT -5
Well, Nightmare, I hope you don't think anyone is personally against you. I don't mind a good debate, and sometimes I'll even play devil's advocate to see what goes down. Still, though the subject is different in my view, I just wanted you to be aware that it's nothing personal. I'm glad to see the fire has kind of died down in here a bit. Remember, folks, this is not a personal fight. This is a debate. Thanks for posting this. I didn't take anything you posted personally. It's okay with me, though, if I'm not everybody's favorite. I am a nightmare after all, rarely are we well liked. lol
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Post by Sweet Dreams on Sept 15, 2010 22:29:35 GMT -5
I don't think people should be taking drugs. It ruins your life and it's bad for you and it hurts people around you. The stuff in drugs is made from rat poison and unhealthy junk that just makes you die faster and maket he people around you feel sad and upset because your hurting you're body. Don't do drugs!!!
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 15, 2010 23:06:17 GMT -5
I don't think people should be taking drugs. It ruins your life and it's bad for you and it hurts people around you. The stuff in drugs is made from rat poison and unhealthy junk that just makes you die faster and maket he people around you feel sad and upset because your hurting you're body. Don't do drugs!!! Well, you have simplified the matter a bit too much. You need to take this back to the drawing board and make yourself knowlegable - in theory only, of course - with the nature of drugs, the different kinds there are. It is most definitly incorrect that they are all made from rat poison. Some have actually medicinal purpose, and others are just that: medicine taken in the wrong way for the wrong reason.
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Post by Sweet Dreams on Sept 15, 2010 23:19:06 GMT -5
I don't wana say all drugs are bad just the ones that are bad for you. It's bad if people do them like drinking and alcohol and pre marriage sex. sorry you wanted sources right? I have sources here take a look I think you can believe that what I'm saying is real haha. forums.myspace.com/t/4794779.aspx?fuseaction=forums.viewthread
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Post by Horyo on Sept 16, 2010 0:32:30 GMT -5
You can't substantiate your reasons based on some MySpace thread, especially because the thread is useless and filled with critical comments rather than logical processions.
And Gran Gran is correct in that not all drugs contain rat poison; true, there are very many recreational drugs that can possible lead to self harm, but generalizing them all in one single group will only fuel more ignorance about proper understanding of these substances.
Whether your morals are a part of this also doesn't further your argument, based on your comparison to other unrelated behaviors.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 16, 2010 1:39:06 GMT -5
I don't wana say all drugs are bad just the ones that are bad for you. You know water can kill you if you drink too much, right?! Whether or not something is bad for you does in most cases depend on the dose. Only a few substances that are currently in use are bad from the first ounce on, Like meth...one should really stir clear of that stuff. well in this context alcohol absolutely qualifies as drug: It does change once perseption of reality and can make one addicted, that it is legally available is another matter. Pre-marritual sex has absolutely nothing to do with this. That is a moral issue. As Horyo pointed out, a thread on a forum is not a source. news paper articles, research publications, such things are sources. A thread in a forum only mirrors opinions.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 16, 2010 6:50:10 GMT -5
Here's a story about a mom admitting to prostituting her 10 year old daughter for money and drugs. If that's not immoral, I don't know what is. www.wtov9.com/news/23933250/detail.htmlDrug abuse and certainly drug pushing are moral issues, especially once it reaches the point your drugs mean more to you than anything or anyone else. If drug abuse only led to self destruction or harm to the user, I probably wouldn't oppose it as much as I do. I mean, I hate to see anyone throw their life away, but if that's the choice they make for themselves, I can't stop or change that. The minute, though, someone commits a crime or causes harm to another, no matter how minor, lock 'em up and throw away the key.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 16, 2010 9:03:08 GMT -5
It is illegal, well past imoral again, this is not a matter of morality. Well, there are many ways you can cause harm to a person without using drugs. Makes no difference to them how you hurt them. But this discussion is really moot, since there is no distinction made between drug not equaling drug while at the same time use set on the same level as abuse (or with sex outside of marriage, now THAT is purely a matter of morals.)
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 16, 2010 11:25:17 GMT -5
It is illegal, well past imoral So, if something's illegal that means it's "well past immoral"? Because drugs are illegal (or illegally obtained). That's your opinion. I think it is a moral issue. Using drugs "recreationally" is not just a bad decision, it's wrong. Well, I agree and disagree. Of course I know that folks hurt other folks without any assistance from drugs. What I'm saying is the first time you're caught, say, stealing $5 from a classmate, and you did it because you were high or did it because you needed money for drugs, the punishment for the theft should be more harsh (okay maybe not life in prison), not less. This is because you have made your addiction or habit or hobby or whatever somebody else's problem and, by all accounts, stealing the five bucks is only the beginning. You need to read a bit more carefully. All I did in my last post was draw distinctions. If you can keep your little drug "hobby" (better?) to where the potential harm is only to yourself, well that sucks for your family, but I guess that may or may not equal addiction. On the other hand, I used the example of a mom prostituting her kid, most would agree that indicates a serious, serious addiction. As an aside, props for using "moot" correctly. I mean that for real. It drives me just a little crazy when folks claim that a point is "mute".
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 16, 2010 15:55:43 GMT -5
You have a huge problem understanding the difference between law and moral.
While the morals of the land influence the passing of laws, by themselves they are not enforcable.
So, If a woman pimps out her minor child, that is not just immoral, it is illegal on many levels. Drug use not even calculated. Having sex outside of marriage might be immoral, but it is not a criminal offense. So there.
Now, We have the problem of the equation of drug = drug. We all know that's not the case. Aspirin is a drug, heck even peppermint is. You liken smoking a joint with doing meth. That is not exactly in the same ball park now, is it! marihuana has properties that have professional health care providers give it to a certain set of the sick , some smoke it, some take it in pill form. So following your argument, since they are doing drugs, they are all stupid.
opiates are powerful painkillers, without them a lot of people would suffer a great deal, when their body's own drugs wear off and sever injuries make themselves known.
There are people out there who depend on drugs like Oxicodone to lead a functioning life. Again, they are doing drugs, hard core stuff, too, so they have to be stupid?
Whether a person steals is not a matter of morality (only for politicians and CEOs) it is a matter of law. Circumstance might weigh in on the punishment.
And let's not forget, drinking a glass of wine or beer is also recreational drug use. Alcohol affects the brain chemistry, changes the perspective of reality.
So, the definition of what constitutes a drug is hardly clear, nor is the matter of abuse.
Morality is totally of the chart, so what we have left is the matter of law. And those usually only cover the making and distribution of drugs...
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Post by Sweet Dreams on Sept 17, 2010 0:22:09 GMT -5
but having underage sex is against the law of GOD!! I think that law surpasses all other laws in our country because its important and moral since its the word of God. i think people who take drugs are stuck in their own underworld with the devil and that they don't know they're hurting the people who love them most. This is the source bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=256 it says that sex before marriage is a sin and that is aginast the laws of God. drugs are also bad because people are lured into TEMPTATION which makes them fall off the path to heaven. In their real life they suffer and create pain for others because they're selfish.
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