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Post by Nightmare on Sept 4, 2010 17:09:49 GMT -5
Addicts are incredibly selfish. I suppose you can call it that. But it's not in the way regular people are selfish. But yeah, I guess. The whining is probably not because of the pain they cause, but playing all cards, no matter if off the bottom of the deck... Selfish is selfish whatever the reason. You're right about the motives behind whining. Seems like druggies only suddenly care for the family they've neglected, lied to, stole from (or worse, I've heard where addicted mothers have prostituted out their kids) when they might actually be held accountable. If they have no regard for their family, why should anyone else? No, I haven't misunderstood anything. It's only been in the last couple decades or so that everything has suddenly become an addiction. The idea is to garner sympathy since the current psycho babble nonsense is that the addict just cannot help him or herself from doing stupid stuff. After all they have no power over their addiction right? Doesn't even the 12 step program say that? It's just another way to try to avoid responsibility. Suddenly everyone is a victim. Well tell that to those who think they should be excused because they're just a helpless victim of their addiction. How many total morons (your words - I'm shocked btw) use alcohol or drugs as an excuse or a mitigating factor when they do something stupid, forget stupid, often the behavior is downright criminal? To me, it's not mitigating at all. You wanted to get drunk and high and now you've wiped out a family because you drove your car into their living room? Just because you didn't meand to do it and you're sorry now doesn't make anyone less dead.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 4, 2010 18:18:11 GMT -5
These giant losers did drugs and look where it got them
• Abbie Hoffman • Abraham Lincoln. On a Hohner box cover but disputed. • Al Gore. • Aldous Huxley • Aleister Crowley • Alexander Dumas • Alice B. Toklas • Allen Ginsberg. Poet. • Alexis Korner. Musician. • Andy Warhol. Artist. • Annita Roddock. Founder 'The Body Shop'. • Anjelica Huston. Hollywood actress. Jack Nicholson's girlfriend for 17 years. Pro-drug statements by her in Peter McWilliams book, 'Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country'. • Arthur Conan Doyle. Author, creator 'Sherlock Holmes'. • Aswad. Musicians. • Beatles. • Bill Clinton. • Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in the Playboy interview • Bill Murray Arrested for possession • Bob Denver. • Bob Dylan. Poet, singer, song writer. • Bob Marley. Poet, singer, song writer. • The Bishop of Monmouth. • Brian Eno. Singer, song writer. Signed 'Independent' list. • Boy George. • British Lords & MP's - too many to list . • Buddy Rich. • Cab Calloway. Jazz musician. • Carl Sagan. Author. • Caroline Coon. Artist, founder 'Release', manager of the Clash. • Carl Segan . Author. • Carlos Santana. Musician, guitarist. • Carrie Fischer. • Cary Grant. • Cary Mullis. Nobel Laurate, Biology • Charles Beaudelaire • Charles Dickens. Claims but no evdience. • Cheech Marin. • Chris Armstrong. Footballer, tested positive. • Chris Conrad. • Chris Farley. 60's singer. • Chris Rock. • Conan O'Brian. • Count Basie. Jazz legend. • Dame Ruth Runsiman. Author; Police Federation Report (March 2000) advising liberlization. • Dave Gilmour . Musician ; Pink Floyd. • Dave 'Tinki Winky' Thompson - TV personality (UK); the Tellie Tubbie that was sacked. • Diego Rivera. • Dion Fortune. • Dioscorides. • Dizzy Gillespie. • Douglas Adams. Author. • Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner. • Dr Lester Grinspoon. • Dr Mark Porter. TV doctor who says cannabis is not more harmful than alcohol. • Dr Anne Biezanek (authoress) • Dr R.D.Laing. • Dr John Marks • Dr W.B. O'Shaugnessy. • Drew Barrymore. • Duke Ellington. • Eddie Ellison. Ex head of Scotland Yard Drug Squad. • Edgar Allen Poe. Author, multi-drug user. • Elvis Presley. Singer, FBI informer. • Emperor Liu Chi-nu. • Emperor Shen-Nung. • Ernest Hemmingway. Author. • Errol Flynn. • Fela Kuti. Musician. Afro/jazz king. • Felix Dennis. Publisher. • Fitz Hugh Ludlow. • Fran Healey. Musician; Travis. • Francis Ford Coppella. • Francis Rabelais. • Francis Wilkinson. Ex Chief Constable of Gwent Police. • Fredreich Nietzshe. • Ganesh - Hindu God. • Gary Johnson. • Gene Krupa. • George Clinton. Ex President's brother. • George W Bush. Possibly the greatest living hypocrite. • George Gurdjieff. • George Melly. Jazz musician (early sponsor of Legalise Cannabis Campaign, Uk). • George Michael. Singer. • George Washington. • George Soros. • Gerard de Nerval. • Gilberto Gil. Brazilian musical icon. • The Greatful Dead. • Hasan I-Sabah. • Heinrich Khunrath. • Helen Petrova Blavatsky. • Henri Michaux. • Herman Hesse. • Hiero the Second. • Howard Marks. Author, cannabis smuggller. • Howard Stern, Admitted it on the radio. • Hua T'o. • Hunter S. Thompson. Smoked weed and snorted coke with George Bush. • Ian Botham. Convicted Cricket legend. • Irvine Welsh. • Kurt Cobain. • Jabir Ibn el-Hayyan. • Jack Herer. Author 'The Emporor Wears No Cloths' • Jack Kerouac. Author ' On the Road'. • Jack Nicholson. Film actor. • Jackie Gleason. • Jackson Pollock. • Jane Fonda. Actress. • James Brown. Singer, song writer. • Janis Joplin. Singer, song writer. • Jesse 0Ventura. • Jerry Lee Lewis. Musician, song writer. • Jimmy Dorsey. • Jimmy Hendrix. Rock guitarist, singe, song writer • Jim Morrison. Musician, songwriter; The Doors. • Joan of Arc. Accused of using 'witch herbs' (another name for cannabis). • Joan Rivers. • Joe Strummer. Musician, singer, songer writer; The Clash. • John Belushi. • John Denver. • John F Kennedy. Popular US president (assassinated). • John Keats. Poet. • John Lennon. Musician, song writer; The Beatles. • John Le Mesurier. Tried it but said it's not for him. • Johnny Cash. • John Peel. DJ, BBC broadcaster. • John Sinclair. • Judge John L. Kane. Chief Judge from the US District Court • Julie Christie. Actress. • Jules Verne. • John Wayne. 'I tried it once but it didn't do anything to me.' • Kelsey Grammar. • Ken Livingston. Mayor of London - supports decriminalisation but does not smoke or support the use of recreational drugs. • Kirk Douglas. Actor. • Kurt Cobain. • Larry Adler. Harmonica player and friend of George Gershwin. May have written a song about it. • Lenny Bruce. Comedian. • Lewis Carroll. Author 'Alice in Wonderland'. • Linda St Clair • Little Richard. Musician. • Lord Avebury. • Lord Byron. Poet. • Lord Deedes. • Lord Tony Gifford. QC, civil rights lawyer. • Louis Armstrong. 'Oh what a wonderful world'. • Louis Hebert. • Mark Thomas . Comedian. • Marlon Brando. Actor. • Martin Sheen. • Mary Shelly. Author 'Frankinstein'. • Mary Tyler Moore. • Mick Jagger. Singer, song writer, The Rolling Stones. • Michael Mansfield QC. Lawyer. • Jade Jagger. • JC 100. Fastest rapper in the west. • JT Moore. Legendary white rasta guitarist. • Mike Tyson. • Miles Davis. Jazz/rock drummer. • Mo Mowlan. Genuine honest politician. • Modigliani. Sculptor. • Montgomery Clift. Mentioned in his biography. • Neil Diamond. • Nick Hornby. Author. • Niel Young. Musician. • Norman Mailer. Author. • Oasis. Rock band. • Oliver Stone. • Oscar Wilde. Poet. • Pablo Picasso. Artist. • Pancho Villa. Mexican bandit revolutionary. • Paul Flynn. Uk Member of Parliament. • Paul McCartney. Musician, song writer; The Beatles. • Paul Simon. Musician, song writer. • Pharoahs of Egypt. Traces in body samples. • Phil Donohue. • Phil Tufnell. Former test cricketer, now media celeb. • Peter Fonda. Actor; 'Easy Rider'. • Peter Sellers. Actor, comedian. • Peter Tosh. Musician. • Philip K. twig. Science fiction author. • Pierre Burton. • Pierre Elliot Trudeau. • Pink Floyd; Syd Barret and Roger Waters. • Prince Charles. Heir to the Throne. Quoted while visiting a hospital; 'I understand cannabis is good for medical use' . • Prince William. • Prince Harry. • Pythagoras. • Queen Arnegunde. • Queen Victoria. Used it for medical purposes. • Ram Dass. • Ray Charles. Musician. • Rev Kenneth Leech. • Richard Branson. 'Virgin'. Entreprenur. • Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics. • Richard Prior. • Richard Wilson. Actor; 'One Foot in the Grave'. • Rimbaud. Author. • Robert Burns. Mentioned it in a poem. • Robert 'King' Carter. Grower. • Robert Anton Wilson. Author. • Robert Mitchum. Jailed 90 days for possession of marijuana, 1949. • Roger McGough. 60's liverpool poet. • Rolling Stones. Rock band. • Ronnie Scot. Jazz club owner, musician, busted on stage 1958, at his club in Soho, London. • S Club 7. 'Super clean' pop band, busted in Soho, very embarrassing. • Salvador Dali. Artist. • Samuel Beckett. • Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Poet. • Shen Nung. One of the fathers of Chinese medicine. 2700 B.C . • Sinead O'Connor. Singer. • Sidi-Hidi. • Sigmun Freud. Shrink. • Sonny Bono. • Super Furry Animals. Welsh band who wrote a song about Howard Marks. • Stephen King. • Sting/Gordon Sumners. • Tariq Ali. Activist Writer. • Tenessee Williams. Author. • Terence McKenna. Author. • Terry Gilliam. Actor, comedian;Monty Python. • The Who. Rock band. • Thelonius Monk. • Thomas Jefferson. • Timothy Leary. • Tom Lehrer. • Top Tories. Senior members of the shadow cabinet. • Tony Elliot. Publisher, 'Time Out. • Tracy Blevins. Artist. • Tuppy Gore. • UB40. Band. • Victor Hugo. • Vincent Van Gogh. Artist. • Walt Disney. Cartoonist. • Walter Benjamin. • Whitney Houstonn. Busted at Hawaii airport but ran away. • William Burroughs. Author, poet, artist. • Will Self. Author. Did smack on Blairs plane. • William Shakespeare. Playwright. • William Straw. UK Home Sec Jack Straw's son. Cautioned for supplying undercover journalists in pub 'shocker'. • Willie Nelson. • Winston Churchill. British Prime Minister, poet, artist & multi drug user. • Woody Harrelson. Actor. Features in a book on growing medical marijuana . • Zoroaster. Persian prophet.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 4, 2010 18:27:00 GMT -5
Well, Kurt Cobain blew his head off...
But a pint well made.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 4, 2010 18:40:14 GMT -5
Boy George... lol
Actually your list could be a lot longer. How about Ozzy Osbourne, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson and every heavy metal band member from the 80's. I bet for every person listed there are 100 more successful folks that were smart enough to stay away from the poison. On the flip side, if I were to try to list every nameless, faceless person who lost everything, including their lives, because of drugs, how much longer would my list be?
Mike Tyson, seriously? He blew through everything he had, but in your mind, he's a picture of great success? Just because someone's famous, doesn't mean they're not a loser.
I don't believe Abraham Lincoln btw.
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Post by Aura of Cruxis on Sept 4, 2010 18:44:37 GMT -5
Can I ask, have you ever felt pressure to go along with what your friends were doing? I ask because I think the notion of "peer pressure" is a myth and a bit of a cop out. Growing up, I was around the illegal stuff from time to time. None of the users, I guess to their credit, never tried to change my mind about trying anything if I was clear to them that I just wouldn't do it. If anything they were just happy they didn't have to share. I think peer pressure happens when you give your friends the impression that it's something you want to do. Really? Many have researched peer pressure to be, for many, the reason why many people do what "everyone else" does. The people who fall to peer pressure are those who are usually more insecure. Those who are stronger willed and are resolute in their personal convictions do not succumb as easily to peer pressure. Now, I know that the internet is not the most reliable source, so I know posting this isn't the best source to cite, but I dunno what else to cite. D= > CLICK ME! <Anyways, if every addict is a victim of their own foolishness, then how do you explain those who have been exposed to drugs since babyhood? There are children who crave the drugs in their body that were administered by another, maybe their mother, father, or whoever. Are the children to blame for what their parents did? If they are, then shouldn't the child of a serial killer be punished for his father? Don't get me wrong, I don't support drug and alcohol abuse, but not everyone who is a drug addict became addicted the same way as every other drug addict.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 4, 2010 18:51:05 GMT -5
Boy George... lol Actually your list could be a lot longer. How about Ozzy Osbourne, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson and every heavy metal band member from the 80's. I bet for every person listed there are 100 more successful folks that were smart enough to stay away from the poison. On the flip side, if I were to try to list every nameless, faceless person who lost everything, including their lives, because of drugs, how much longer would my list be? Mike Tyson, seriously? He blew through everything he had, but in your mind, he's a picture of great success? Just because someone's famous, doesn't mean they're not a loser. I don't believe Abraham Lincoln btw. \ You do know the kind of drugs i am advocating aren't physically addictive right
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 4, 2010 18:53:27 GMT -5
Okay, fine, if parents are shooting up their kids I wouldn't blame the kid for becoming addicted. Just how common do you think that really is? I'll give you a hint, it's not common at all and any reject that would do that is guilty of child abuse and should be locked up with the other drains on society. Boy George... lol Actually your list could be a lot longer. How about Ozzy Osbourne, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson and every heavy metal band member from the 80's. I bet for every person listed there are 100 more successful folks that were smart enough to stay away from the poison. On the flip side, if I were to try to list every nameless, faceless person who lost everything, including their lives, because of drugs, how much longer would my list be? Mike Tyson, seriously? He blew through everything he had, but in your mind, he's a picture of great success? Just because someone's famous, doesn't mean they're not a loser. Oh but, yeah, point well made. I don't believe Abraham Lincoln btw. \ You do know the kind of drugs i am advocating aren't physically addictive right That you advocate any kind of mind altering drug is all I need to know. Shoot, even nasal spray can be habit forming so don't try to convince me there's such thing as a drug that has no risk of dependency. Besides, if you're going to argue some drugs are just better for you than others, I'll have no choice but to laugh.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 4, 2010 19:26:38 GMT -5
That you advocate any kind of mind altering drug is all I need to know. Shoot, even nasal spray can be habit forming so don't try to convince me there's such thing as a drug that has no risk of dependency. Besides, if you're going to argue some drugs are just better for you than others, I'll have no choice but to laugh. DMT is an illegal psychedelic drug, it is a felony to distribute it. Your brain makes it while you sleep. Vitamin C is a drug, you need it to live. etc etc etc. Grouping a vast array of things together under one negative description when they have different effects and properties is like saying "all blacks are lazy" some may be, some aren't. And there isn't a drug that doesn't have a risk of dependency, but in the same way that posting on a message board, or watching porn does. Some drugs are physically addictive, some are not. If a drug is not physically addictive that means it's the individual's fault, not the drug. You wouldn't blame NBC for someone being addicted to TV, and you wouldn't be against TV because someone is addicted to it
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 4, 2010 19:38:11 GMT -5
Peer pressure exists from both personal and interpersonal influences: Sally wants her friends to like her and Sally's friends want Sally to try drugs. Sally not trying drugs and assimilating with group standards may ostracize her from the rest of her friends. On a personal level, she feels weak and restricted. On the interpersonal level, her friends may stop being nice to her or sharing that kind of relationship with her, at all, which aggravates Sally's feeling of inadequacy and seclusion. Sounds like Sally needs better friends. Even the dopers I knew and were friendly with growing up could respect my choices so long I wasn't wishy washy about it. As I said, their take was great, more for me. Well, all I have to draw on are my own experiences and if I didn't have them, you would say my argument was laughable because I have never been placed in that situation. In a way, you support my larger point. If someone does not have the reservations that I do and had about drug use, they would be more likely to signal that they're willing or wanting to do it. I'm not saying there's no such thing as peer pressure or even that I've never given into it. I'm just saying that it only happens when you participate some in it yourself and make it seem that you really do want to do whatever they're trying to get you to do. Excessive computer use is a bad habit. Nothing more. Otherwise there would be laptop clinics like there are methadone clinics and folks would be breaking into houses just to use the Internet. That you advocate any kind of mind altering drug is all I need to know. Shoot, even nasal spray can be habit forming so don't try to convince me there's such thing as a drug that has no risk of dependency. Besides, if you're going to argue some drugs are just better for you than others, I'll have no choice but to laugh. DMT is an illegal psychedelic drug, it is a felony to distribute it. Your brain makes it while you sleep. Vitamin C is a drug, you need it to live. etc etc etc. Grouping a vast array of things together under one negative description when they have different effects and properties is like saying "all blacks are lazy" some may be, some aren't. And there isn't a drug that doesn't have a risk of dependency, but in the same way that posting on a message board, or watching porn does. Some drugs are physically addictive, some are not. If a drug is not physically addictive that means it's the individual's fault, not the drug. You wouldn't blame NBC for someone being addicted to TV, and you wouldn't be against TV because someone is addicted to it Okay, if you don't want me maligning the good reputation of drugs, I'll give you even more than you've asked of me here. I'll say that addiction is never the drugs "fault". It's always the person's doing. No drug forces it's way up your nose while your sleeping. Still, a psychological addiction can be just as strong as a physical addiction. That's no real distinction to hang your hat on in your advocacy. Risking either addiction is just not worth it. Oh vitamin c is no more a drug than water is, and if vitamin c is mind altering for you, well, you got bigger problems.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 4, 2010 19:52:47 GMT -5
Excessive computer use is a bad habit. Nothing more. Otherwise there would be laptop clinics like there are methadone clinics and folks would be breaking into houses just to use the Internet. Interesting that you mentioned it. Because there are actually clinics that do indeed treat exactly this: Computer addiction. It does develop from a bad habit into addiction once you dismiss outside real life influences in favor of the virtual gratification and blow off real existing people and jobs for example. Interestingly enough I just read a news paper article about that a few weeks back. German, but still, I am sure there is more data to collaborate their findings. So there, that argument is busted. Also, you keep referring to people as dopers. I suppose it does work for you, but it is overly simplifying the matter. there are many people out there who to little fault of their own have become dependent on drugs. And for argument's sake, lets treat 'drugs' as a gardener treats weeds: the plant not in the right place...so to clarify the substance not used correctly. Not everybody in the world started out using with the 'yeah, I'll become and addict' .
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 4, 2010 20:14:21 GMT -5
Oh, so my argument is busted because you have some vague memory of an article you read a couple weeks ago about a computer lab in Germany? Even if true, that just means some folks in Germany believe the line about everything being an addiction and acted on it. What can I say? It's Europe and it doesn't surprise me.
I don't just use doper. Sometimes I use addict, stoner, pot head, wastoid, oxygen thief, brain dead and druggie. Which do you prefer? You tell me though, how is one not responsible for their own addiction? Grandi's not going to like you suggesting it's the innocent drugs to blame?
I do agree that folks don't start out wanting to become addicts. I told Aanglover essentially the same thing earlier today.
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Post by Aura of Cruxis on Sept 4, 2010 21:06:10 GMT -5
I don't just use doper. Sometimes I use addict, stoner, pot head, wastoid, oxygen thief, brain dead and druggie. Which do you prefer? You tell me though, how is one not responsible for their own addiction? Grandi's not going to like you suggesting it's the innocent drugs to blame? I do agree that folks don't start out wanting to become addicts. I told Aanglover essentially the same thing earlier today. Perhaps it may have been missed, but I did mention this in my previous post. From babyhood, some children have been given drugs by others, whether by their parents or by someone completely unrelated. Some children, as they grow older, exhibit withdrawal syndrome and begin to crave drugs, fueling their addiction. Knowing this, do you still condemn all drug addicts for being addicted? Their addiction is not what I condemn, however; it's their refusal to take responsibility. Let's face it: people get addicted to gambling, drugs, alcohol, internet, exercise, shopping, tanning, and whatever else to which one might get addicted. However, it is an addict's responsibility to take whatever action to stop his addiction, whether that's to take therapy or to verbally and physically reject that to which they're addicted through his own willpower. Not everyone becomes addicted because he chooses to do so. However, everyone stops because he chooses to do so. If you take away the drugs from the drug addict, he will do whatever he can to satisfy his insatiable desire. Only the addict can decide to stop.
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Post by Nightmare on Sept 4, 2010 21:28:01 GMT -5
I don't just use doper. Sometimes I use addict, stoner, pot head, wastoid, oxygen thief, brain dead and druggie. Which do you prefer? You tell me though, how is one not responsible for their own addiction? Grandi's not going to like you suggesting it's the innocent drugs to blame? I do agree that folks don't start out wanting to become addicts. I told Aanglover essentially the same thing earlier today. Perhaps it may have been missed, but I did mention this in my previous post. From babyhood, some children have been given drugs by others, whether their parents or someone completely unrelated. Some children, as they grow older, exhibit withdrawal syndrome and begin to crave drugs, fueling their addiction. Knowing this, do you still condemn all drug addicts for being addicted? I've already said I won't blame all the 4 year olds out there cooking meth because their parents taught them how. I'm just saying, that's not the majority.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 4, 2010 21:59:53 GMT -5
Oh, so my argument is busted because you have some vague memory of an article you read a couple weeks ago about a computer lab in Germany? Even if true, that just means some folks in Germany believe the line about everything being an addiction and acted on it. What can I say? It's Europe and it doesn't surprise me. It was not a computer lab, it was a psychiatric ward, treating people who have by all definition grown addicted to computers. I did not pay too much attention to it, I believe it was the first of it's kind. Sad, to, because you can live perfectly fine without alcohol and such, most of the time without painkillers, too, but these days if you can't be trusted - or trust yourself around a computer, you are pretty much up the creek without a paddle. And what is the line about 'it's Europe, doesn't surprise me' mean? We can go a few rounds on whether or not non Americans can have logical scientific deductions, too.... Either is a derogatory term. Brain dead is a medical term for a lack of brain function. I do believe we had this discussion in private that we are keeping this on a respectful level! Not to mention there are people who are directly affected by family members and close friends who are addicts. It is painful enough for them to watch somebody close self destruct in this way, they don't need outside comments to deepen the pain. Grandi will have no problems pointing out flaws in my theory, I am sure. he is not subject of the discussion. People have slipped into addiction of things like painkillers for numerous reasons, not all of them malicious, for example painful conditions being treated with strong medications. Happens all the time, maybe the threshold for the individual is lower than for others or their doctor sucks and can't tell the warning signs. Others just need the high to diver from whatever it is that ails them until the body registers a demand, a need for the substance. If addiction was that easy to explain, it would be easier to cure, too. Which btw is hardly the case, addicts go dry and have to work their whole life to keep it that way. Much of an addiction is habit, beyond the physical need for a drug. So you can detox a person but as soon as they go back to their lives all the mechanisms are back in place, it's not uncommon for people to relapse shortly after. There are also people who don't 'function' right in our society. There are a lot of people who go undiagnosed for certain ailments that do 'self medicate' with drugs or alcohol because it makes them more 'normal' Before ADD and ADHD were the popular childhood ailments a lot of those folks would resort to this. Most people don't give it much thought I suppose. Some are just preoccupied with life - the not so good parts.
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Post by Horyo on Sept 5, 2010 13:42:52 GMT -5
I'm not saying there's no such thing as peer pressure or even that I've never given into it. I'm just saying that it only happens when you participate some in it yourself and make it seem that you really do want to do whatever they're trying to get you to do. Good thing you clarified. The post I was responding to seemed dubious about your assessment of peer pressure. And to the rest of your message: Lately, peer pressure and psychoactive drugs aren't as correlated as parents would try to tell their children. Typically, there's no gain for a drug-user to spread his interests, unless he were profiting in the drug-trade. Excessive computer use is a bad habit. Nothing more. Otherwise there would be laptop clinics like there are methadone clinics and folks would be breaking into houses just to use the Internet. I don't think anyone needs to break into a house when they can steal off Wi-Fi. And if you're going to simplify computer addiction, or any other non-drug addiction, then you might as well say drugs are a bad habit too. The only reason there aren't any clinics is because most recreational drugs produce a direct stimulation on the body, which, when removed, causes a psychological withdrawal. When the non-drug addiction, such as computers or gambling, is removed from an addict, they experience similar withdrawals, but not on the level with drug-addicts because their fix is usually legal and can be readily accessed, even in moderation. By the way, Grandi, posting a list of successful people who have taken drugs in their lifetime doesn't necessarily imply that drugs helped with their success, unless you're Lindsay Lohan and you end up using your drug problems as a way to gain publicity.
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