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Post by Sir Tukkun on Apr 9, 2008 16:46:54 GMT -5
still that will disrupt the blood flow, thus killing the person. Also Humans and animals don't have cell walls. Only plants have that.
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Post by melloyello on Apr 9, 2008 18:00:45 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant cell membranes. Regardless, if you break them (walls for plants, membranes for people), it's going to cause damage.
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Post by wydawg on Apr 9, 2008 18:23:28 GMT -5
If they control the blood then they can like make sure they don't break the cell membranes. Unless there trying to kill in which they probably can but Katara wouldn't ever kill anyone no matter how far they pushed her. She would just get really mad.
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Post by Alleluia on Apr 9, 2008 19:50:22 GMT -5
Well if a bloodbender wanted to kill someone I don't see why they couldn't just dessicate them, like Katara and Hama did to the plants. Unless people are supposed to be different b/c of a spiritual component, here. Like, "its my body, you can't have it", kinda thing. Like how Katara managed to fight her way out of hama's hold. That was sheer will power and sheer Katara. And, yes, *if* you break the cells, it will cause damage. I just think it would be possible to do things like move a body or a body part, without breaking the cell memberanes. By spreading out the strain on the individual cells. Basically, you move the water in a large enough section of tissue, you are ok, but if you applied the same amount of force to a few cells alone, you would rupture them. But since that still wouldn't be bending the bloood in your veins, I suppose it may be neither here nor there. Bending a person's blood, therefore stopping its flow(even temporarily), would kill them. ... Wait. Or would it? If you stoped the flow in someone's arm and made it flow the way you felt like it, then the blood would only stop flowing naturally in that arm, not their whole body. That actually may *not* kill them. I mean, if someone loses an arm(gets it cut off somehow), it doesn't lead to immediate death. It takes a while. Ofc, the blood is still flowing in that case... just flowing out of the body. In bloodbending's case I suppose there would be a backup of blood b/c it would just stop flowing naturally in a section of the body?
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Post by conspiracytheorist on Apr 9, 2008 23:04:23 GMT -5
Alleluia, I think you should take your own advice and simply suspend disbelief.
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Post by kiffer on Apr 10, 2008 7:38:05 GMT -5
Wait. Or would it? If you stoped the flow in someone's arm and made it flow the way you felt like it, then the blood would only stop flowing naturally in that arm, not their whole body. That actually may *not* kill them. I mean, if someone loses an arm(gets it cut off somehow), it doesn't lead to immediate death. It takes a while. Ofc, the blood is still flowing in that case... just flowing out of the body. In bloodbending's case I suppose there would be a backup of blood b/c it would just stop flowing naturally in a section of the body? Uh... You cant change the direction of blood flow... It would kill the person... The blood in the body only goes one way... To make any of it, in any part try to go the other way would cause a stroke or something... Blood flowing out of the body isnt the same as blood flowing against the main current of blood...
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Post by admirality on Apr 10, 2008 11:54:02 GMT -5
Based on the fact that aang and sokka were fine after they were blood bended ... I'm gonna guess that Hama pulled the water in their blood they way she santed to move them but kept the blood flow the same...
Think of it like this... If u charge a nylon rod by rubbing it with a cloth (static electricity principle) and u hold this by a tap that has a light stream of water coming out when u bring the rod close to the water stream the water bends to or away from the rod depending on the charge on it... This is because water is a polar molcule... As the water bends it is still going down but moving to the side...
This is kinda like what Hama cud be doing moving the water but still maintaining the blood flow... (btw I'm not implying Hama uses static electrcity to bend blood that was just an analegy)
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Post by lunar-tsunami on Apr 10, 2008 13:46:59 GMT -5
Well, if you think of what blood is, it's totally possible to move it around without breaking any cells. Your blood is completely housed in a tunnel system, and that is just fluid with little cells floating in it. It's like if you had a clear rubber hose filled with Cheerios and milk. You can move the milk mixture inside the tubes without breaking the hose (made of cells) or the Cheerios (also cells).
I guess with blood bending, she's moving the bodily fluids towards a certain direction faster, so the body is pulled by the momentum of the mass of the water? I would guess she might be moving more than blood, maybe she's just moving all of the net fluids in the body towards a certain way. Which sounds horribly uncomfortable.
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Post by Alleluia on Apr 10, 2008 14:40:37 GMT -5
Alleluia, I think you should take your own advice and simply suspend disbelief. LOL XD Maybe I should. But its fun to see if we can puzzle out the mechanism all scientific-like and come up with a semi-plausible explanation.
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Post by kiffer on Apr 10, 2008 20:44:47 GMT -5
The only "semi-plausible explanation" I can come up with is... Alternate universe... Alternate rules...
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Post by Sir Tukkun on Apr 10, 2008 21:25:50 GMT -5
Ok. So we have established that any alteration with blood would kill the person. Remember that this is a kids cartoon on Nick, you cant expect it to be 100% accurate on that sort of stuff. We are looking to deep into the loopholes of this that kids wouldn't even notice.
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Post by Zoya on Apr 18, 2008 14:01:30 GMT -5
You have a point Kiffer. But for a waterbender to even move blood so much that it moves body parts, it should cause the blood to stop moving in there direction and start to move all together to push that body part in the wanted direction. Thus killing the person instantly because of stopped blood flow. It's kind of like stopping a person's pulse. But theory of blood bending is that the waterbender controls the water and liquids in you, not your blood because blood is a bunch of bloodcells. If thats the case then a waterbender could control your individual cels inside of your body. Waterbenders and bloodbenders only move the chemical liquids in your body the same way Aang bended the drinks at the earth king's party and the same way Katara stirs the group's soup when she is making it. When you say that the waterbenders are bending the cells, you mean the cytoplasm in the cell, right? I'm getting all science-y here.....
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Post by songbird21 on Apr 20, 2008 18:40:49 GMT -5
Spam removed. The Theories board is not a place to post fanfiction.
I only posted it because it pertains to the discussion at hand. I apologize. I didn't mean to spam, just help the discussion along.
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Post by songbird21 on Apr 20, 2008 19:23:08 GMT -5
what about Aang and sokka... Their whole bodys were used... And even if just an arm was used... I dont think it matters, because thats how people have heart attacks and stuff, blockage in just one tiny area... And the blood in just her arms or whatever was being held in one place to be bended... Creating a blockage... Well, clots aren't created by blood. They're created by plauqe build-up on the inside of the arteries. If the bloodbender stopped all blood from the body from moving for a long enough time, then, yes, it would kill them-- but when they're only bending limbs then they're not keeping allblood from getting back to the heart.
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Post by kiffer on Apr 21, 2008 18:35:35 GMT -5
Do you not get it... Blood is like 98% water... So, blood is the fluid in the arm... And you cant stop any of the blood from flowing AT ALL... Or it kills... And yes, they only stop blood flow in one body part... The blood in the veins of the arm stops flowing... So it stops all blood flow... The heart pushes the blood out, once the oxygen is used up, the blood returns to the heart... So the heart pushes non stop... If one tiny part is blocked, and the heart pushes, and the blood doesnt flow, it puts a strain on the heart... Too long a strain and you die... Im sure its measured in seconds... not hours...
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