yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Dec 19, 2007 5:42:49 GMT -5
Azula was hardly naive from what we saw in Zuko Alone. She fully understood military strategy and was already connecting how many steps away from the throne she was.
She seemed to know and accept full well that her mom was gone, and understood that fact.
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attonbitus
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Post by attonbitus on Dec 19, 2007 10:31:56 GMT -5
I could see Azula saying to her mother, "So, this is where you've been hiding all these years. What a dump, but then that's why it suits you." /evil smirk
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Dec 19, 2007 12:14:44 GMT -5
Maybe she was jealous of Zuko for kissing Mai ;p Makes more sense. Yes. Yes, it does. ew, yiceman, that's disgusting! >< How, exactly, is what yice said "disgusting"? It's not because Mai is a girl, is it? I should hope the idea of Azula wanting to kiss Mai would be "less offensive" than wanting to kiss her own brother, which is incestuous. And I concur with the sentiment that there was nothing indicative of jealousy in that scene. She walked up to them while they were making out, which clearly wasn't something she wanted to see.
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Post by admirality on Dec 19, 2007 13:24:40 GMT -5
Azula wud totally attack her.........
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lilabby
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Post by lilabby on Dec 19, 2007 13:50:41 GMT -5
Maybe she was jealous of Zuko for kissing Mai ;p Makes more sense. Yes. Yes, it does. ew, yiceman, that's disgusting! >< How, exactly, is what yice said "disgusting"? It's not because Mai is a girl, is it? I should hope the idea of Azula wanting to kiss Mai would be "less offensive" than wanting to kiss her own brother, which is incestuous. And I concur with the sentiment that there was nothing indicative of jealousy in that scene. She walked up to them while they were making out, which clearly wasn't something she wanted to see. Maybe she was jelaous, not because she wanted to kiss mai or zuko (which is equally disgusting), but maybe she was jelaous like a little sister would be of having to share her big brothers' attention? maybe I think if Azula ever met her mom she would try to kill her or something, she seems pretty resentful to the fact that she loved her brother more than she did her.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Dec 19, 2007 15:32:39 GMT -5
In any event, I'm of the mindset that Azula would try any of the following:
- Twisting the situation to her favor. While Ursa's reappearance might not do anything for her in a personal sense, it would certainly hit Zuko hard. A hostage setup, or blackmail, would work to her advantage. - Yes, I could see her attacking her mother with the intent to kill, especially if given "proper motivation". If Ursa has been aiding the enemy in any way, even as a member of The White Lotus ( many of us seem to appreciate this theory ), I doubt Azula would hesitate to bring her down. Heck, she might not even need motivation. - She could ask Ursa why she favored Zuko, but in an emotionally devoid sense. What I mean is: no tears, no raised voice, no sign of inner conflict. More along the lines of, "You should've loved me more; I was better than Zuzu at everything. Well, it's your loss..." ...followed by an attack in cold blood, or something.
I can't see her having an emotional breakdown; it's just not in her character archetype to do so. She might do as little as say, "Well, fancy seeing you again, Mother," and stroll away.
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ethe
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Post by ethe on Dec 19, 2007 16:42:55 GMT -5
It's interesting reading everyone opinions. But I think you made me lol the most xDD Especially in that line.
Can't deny that if Ursa proved to be.. "useful" to any particular plans Azula would try her best to utilize her. And I also can't see her breaking down.. in a sense that she's a gooey object of flesh and tears on her hands and knees crying xD. But I think that some type of emotion we haven't seen from her yet will definitely show; And for once in her life, even if for just a second, she'll actually be hesitant, just a little~. I can’t imagine she’d be completely void of any emotion (but she’ll definitely hide it, of course)
Ursa was just about the only person who acted negatively toward her when she was a kid, except maybe Zuko as well; But Azula purposely picked on Zuko because Ursa like him so much. Like most kids her age, whenever someone has something they don’t or can do something they can’t do, they act out. This is shown when Azula pushes Ty Lee for being such a pwnsome cart wheeler, and also with her overall attitude toward Zuko as they were kids. It must have been mind-boggling to her that even though she was such an awesome fire bender, mommy didn‘t like her. But I digress
Basically, I think that if Azula met up wit Ursa, she’d probably say something snide and cruel to her. I can definitely see Azula ruthlessly attacking Ursa, especially if she’s a White Lotus Member. I just don’t think she’d kill her. Even if Ursa is backed against the wall, a fiery fist in her face, Azula would scoff bitterly and let her go with a threat.
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Post by spirityue on Dec 19, 2007 18:17:57 GMT -5
Azula was hardly naive from what we saw in Zuko Alone. She fully understood military strategy and was already connecting how many steps away from the throne she was. She seemed to know and accept full well that her mom was gone, and understood that fact. While I do agree with you on this, that was when she was young, now that she's older, actually seeing her mom face to face, might actually shake her up a bit, what I mean is it will catch her off guard and she might just stand there not knowing what to do. Also, it seems that everyone is taking for granted that Azula knows Ursa is alive, but maybe she doesn't. If that where true, then I think it would definately muddle her thinking for at least a few minutes.
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Dec 19, 2007 19:21:28 GMT -5
Azula knew Ozai was going to kill Zuko. She was grinning when Ozai was coroneted as Fire Lord. She could probably put two and two together.
I mean, what did she do when she saw her uncle and brother for the first time after three years? Tried to kill them. Did she like her mom any more than she liked either of them? I don't think so. Does she have any reason to dislike Iroh? No. From what we saw he was nice to her...gave her gifts, even if they weren't to her taste. She just didn't respect him because he wasn't ruthless. Same goes for mommy dearest.
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Post by spirityue on Dec 19, 2007 19:34:13 GMT -5
how can you be so sure she didn't just think that Ozai already killed Ursa before the coronation?
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Dec 19, 2007 19:36:52 GMT -5
I can't be. But is that any better? Look at this. Look how happy she is. Her mom is gone...her grandfather is dead. Maybe her mom killed her grandfather. Maybe her father killed them both. And she's grinning. She understands death...she's not naive. How can this be passed off as anything resembling a girl who holds affection for her family?
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Post by spirityue on Dec 19, 2007 19:51:07 GMT -5
I completely agree with that, I don't think she has any feelings for her family other than pure hatred or how she could use them for her gain, I just was thinking that if she didn't know if Ursa was alive or dead, and then she suddenly pops up out of nowhere, it might be enough to throw her a curve. After all, even the most purest evil ends up letting its guard down at some point.
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Post by bongalak on Dec 19, 2007 20:57:14 GMT -5
I know Azula is one cold-blooded biznatch, and it's a pretty good bet that her heart is made entirely of stainless steel and ashes of something beautiful. And that almost inhumane cold heartedness is what makes her such an awesome villain.
But she is a human, and all humans have emotions. AND EMOTIONS CAN BE MOVED. As for Azula's emotions, we've seen them in action several times actually. When her lightning practice wasn't going along perfectly, she expressed feelings of anger and frustration. At the beach party she showed feelings of jealousy toward Tai Lee because she was getting more guys than her. And at the campfire therapy session she appeared deeply hurt (condisering) at the thought of her mother. All in all, Azula is more than capable of feeling and expressing emotions.
Now I don't know how Azula will emotionally react if she is to be reunited with Ursa, that's completely up to debate. But I do believe that if anyone can emotionally move Azula to the point that she behaves in a way we've never seen before, it's Ursa. Because of all the emotions we've seen in Azula, the one inspired by Ursa seemed the strongest.
As for Azula's past feelings about her mother, as in not giving a dang that she's gone, well those feelings change too. Remember how Zuko used to feel about Ozai? It's not entirely impossible that Azula could have started developing feelings of hurt toward Ursa after her absence.
But it's also entirely possible that she may not have developed those feelings at all too so, yea speculations.
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kaibasgirl
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Post by kaibasgirl on Dec 19, 2007 20:59:20 GMT -5
I like your speculating, bongalak ^^
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Dec 19, 2007 21:19:53 GMT -5
It's interesting reading everyone opinions. But I think you made me lol the most xDD Especially in that line. That's nice to hear! It really is. 'Glad you got a kick out of what I said. Though I'll continue to have reservations, I suppose a reunion with Ursa could bring clarity to this picture... Again, knowing what we do of Azula and her contestable range of emotions, I'm not committed to stand behind this theory, as I'm hesitant to believe the presence of her mother could cause such a powerful reaction -- simply throwing an idea out there. I won't write it out, but still...
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