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Post by asian malaysian on Feb 10, 2009 23:24:11 GMT -5
Im sure youve all heard about the single unemployed mother of the octuplets who has been apparently depending on her own retired mum's pension to raise her previous 6 children. I came accross an artcile on msnbc that estimates it will cost 1.5 million bucks to raise these 14 kids. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29128794/Since there is no way that she can raise the money, who should foot the bill? Also what are your views on stopping irresponsible people from having children they are not equipped to support or care for (assuming that you see that as a problem in this case which I certainly do).
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Post by mike1921 on Feb 12, 2009 18:36:38 GMT -5
I think normally the kids should be tooken away since it's abuse to force 14 people to survive on anything short of 35$ an hour and I think that's really stretching it.. Since this woman had octuplets and you really can't be expected prepare for something like that, I'd be fine with some third party covering what it would cost for 7 of the kids. She handles the other 7 or I call her a child abuser for having more than she could afford.
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Post by asian malaysian on Feb 12, 2009 19:46:23 GMT -5
She doesnt have a job and isnt earning any money to feed herself let alone any of her kids. Shes said she intends to get by on student loans. Im still wondering how she paid for all those in vitro procedures to get pregnant in the first place. She says she spent about a hundred thousand dollars on them. Kids, babies are like puppies; They are for life not just Christmas. They get bigger and cost more too.
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Post by mike1921 on Feb 13, 2009 3:54:05 GMT -5
She doesnt have a job and isnt earning any money to feed herself let alone any of her kids. Shes said she intends to get by on student loans. Im still wondering how she paid for all those in vitro procedures to get pregnant in the first place. She says she spent about a hundred thousand dollars on them. Kids, babies are like puppies; They are for life not just Christmas. They get bigger and cost more too. In that case, I want all of them tooken for child abuse.
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Post by Gran Gran on Feb 13, 2009 7:27:45 GMT -5
how about the doctors you put 8 embyos into that woman...
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Post by mike1921 on Feb 13, 2009 17:11:05 GMT -5
Revoke his license.
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Post by Yakuza on Feb 14, 2009 2:03:56 GMT -5
Have Congress pass a stimulus bill.
I really dont see a problem with someone having that many kids and not being able to support them. I'm pretty sure that a kid right out of college isnt gonna be like "well I have nearly 30,000 dollars in student loans to payback, better throw out 10 kids!"
Granted, stealing money off your mum's pension isnt the greatest way to raise 14 kids.. But I'd just like to add a side to argue in this debate. We all invariably pay for someone elses kids sometime in our lives... Its just not fun when they are taking up an actual significant percentage.
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Post by asian malaysian on Feb 14, 2009 2:40:25 GMT -5
^ Yakuza, I have to ask what you would constitute as a "problem ". I dont see how Ive paid for someone elses kids but I can see how it would be cheaper to have some people "fixed" .
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Post by Yakuza on Feb 14, 2009 10:26:20 GMT -5
We've been paying for other kids for years. Mainly through taxes. Having bonds passed to have high schools rebuilt is one example of a multi-million dollar project. But its insane, ney asinine, that someone's family takes up a tax hike of approximately what would be equivalent of building a wing onto a high school that is bound to get under our skin.
What I think is a problem, is just simply bad timing. There have been families before that have thrown out 8-12 kids. I see them all the time in the news. The only reason why 14 is a landmark is just because.. well.. thats 14 kids. Before it would be just another bulletin on Yahoo News.. now its only causing a stir because 1.5M is a lot of money now. It would have been a million dollars for 12 kids back in the late 90s, and it wouldnt have raised an eyebrow, but its only in this time that its ruffling our feathers. I think that if we are going to critique this woman, we need to at least look back over the past 2 decades to the women who have used the super fertilization drugs to have kids and who caused a small setback of their own.
Its not a hypocrisy check, I just like to put things into perspective.
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Post by asian malaysian on Feb 14, 2009 11:54:25 GMT -5
^^ Taxes are for the common good and having an educated population benefits everyone. This is on a whole different level. To me the number of kids had nothing to do with it at all. If she had the funds, ability and support to care for them, she could populate China with my blessings. Without it, even a single child is one child too many. In the human species, theres supposed to be a difference between an adult and infant that transcends height and biological functions. Check that; that would be an insult to the many species of animals that know enough not to reproduce in unfavourable conditions. Im outraged at the complete and utter absence of adult responsibility. Having a child you know that you cant afford to care for and raise because you think "it completes you" is absosutely irresponsible. In her circumstances, she would probably not have been able to adopt a single child in the first place for the very same reasons. I know, she's hardly the first and the figure puts her in the news but after all the other bail-outs that have been forced through Congress lately, the milk of human kindness has somewhat curdled.
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Post by mike1921 on Feb 14, 2009 13:33:38 GMT -5
High school's help the general populace (or atleast the ones with kids and the kids), paying one million dollars on one family is absolutely insane. Just the same as the state doesn't give everyone who can't afford it a high-tech security system, we get police. Actually, it's not even like that. Most people don't have high tech security systems because we can't afford them, this women needs help because she's a complete imbecile who shouldn't be allowed to have kids ( it's because she has way too many kids for her paycheck. I'm open to the possibility of being able to afford one kid on low pay. infact I'm open to the possibility of it on minimum wage.) and probably needs to be reminded to breathe.. I hate anyone who has more kids than they can handle (barring twins and other multiple people in one birth). Yea I wasn't complaining about it back then, but I was 5 or 6 when the 1990's ended. Also, as far as me hating everyone who has more kids than they can handle, obviously there are exceptions other than multiple births. but nothing happened to this lady's income, this is a lot more kids than she could handle not just one or two that a person might not realize is too many . This is atleast 4 more kids than she can handle if she had a single birth.
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Post by Gran Gran on Feb 14, 2009 15:37:00 GMT -5
oh well, she will receive welfare, not a new concept, been done for years...she will dump them off at public funded daycare where they are fed and paid for by the tax payer while collecting food stamps at home...
I think the Doc who did the treatment ought to pay for it...I mean, there is a case of ethics....
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Post by mike1921 on Feb 14, 2009 17:19:12 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure wellfare is for a set amount and is nowhere near able to actually cover 15 people. I really doubt that between a public funded daycare,wellfare checks, and her mom's pension that she could afford 7 children.
If she could afford the amount of kids she tried to get I'd agree, but to be honest if the government took money from the doctor, I'd rather give it to the government than her. she doesn't deserve the money or the kids in my opinion.
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Post by Gran Gran on Feb 14, 2009 18:59:39 GMT -5
true, but the money she will get is also dependent on the amount of kids she is having. She will get a sizable check every month. Plus she can't be expected to work with 14 kids...
But you are right, kids are the last thing she deserves....
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Post by mike1921 on Feb 14, 2009 20:52:49 GMT -5
An amount that looks big is really a lot smaller when you're using it to feed and clothe 15 people. I still highly doubt that wellfare, the pension, and a public daycare will cover everything. by the way she doesn't deserve the wellfare either. I wish there were more rules to wellfare that would make it so she wouldn't/couldn't get it. She could be expected to work as soon as these octoplets are 5.
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