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Post by fullmetalavatar on Nov 16, 2006 15:30:46 GMT -5
i think christians are like the only religion that a majority of people like to bash(im not saying that every one dos but SOME peoples)i know when to stop talking and to talk about God because you know theres some people that can get in a fight or debate with you for saying just a small sentence...i only speak when they want my opinion and when they actually need it but not randomnly out of no where I wouldn't go that far, gangstahobo, I think every religion has/ is bashed by another group, and Christians don't take the worst brunt because they are, as Grandi pointed out, the overwhelming majority in America. Jews have been not only bashed but persecuted for millennia, in America Muslims often face harsh, uninformed criticism, if not bigotry...then there's the major bashing that goes on between Christian sects...so yeah, in a way Grandi was right -- Christians do bash, even oppress (thinking more historically here) other Christians...
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Post by KyoshiWarrior on Nov 16, 2006 17:06:37 GMT -5
i think christians are like the only religion that a majority of people like to bash(im not saying that every one dos but SOME peoples)i know when to stop talking and to talk about God because you know theres some people that can get in a fight or debate with you for saying just a small sentence...i only speak when they want my opinion and when they actually need it but not randomnly out of no where I wouldn't go that far, gangstahobo, I think every religion has/ is bashed by another group, and Christians don't take the worst brunt because they are, as Grandi pointed out, the overwhelming majority in America. Jews have been not only bashed but persecuted for millennia, in America Muslims often face harsh, uninformed criticism, if not bigotry...then there's the major bashing that goes on between Christian sects...so yeah, in a way Grandi was right -- Christians do bash, even oppress (thinking more historically here) other Christians... you have a point there.....i've seen alot of jews being teased in my school for wearing different stuff and dat also bothers me because its there beliefs and religion....and iin my school theres this guy and he's from iraq and i forgot religion he is and every one makes up rumors that he's a terrorist cause of where he's from and his religion.....they are so mean to all kinds of religion...
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Post by force on Nov 17, 2006 15:35:25 GMT -5
I’m atheist so naturally I do not believe one word of the Bible. Why? Simply put, it’s an ancient text written how many thousands of years ago by men living in the desert who thought the earth was flat and that colds were caused by demons. The Bible is full of hypocrisy, lessons in bigotry, and scientifically disproved things. Anyone with a mind who is completely sure that the Bible is absolutely perfect and right about everything is delusional. Not to say all who believe in the Bible are delusional, as long as the at least have some form of skepticism of it. Sadly many Christians, especially the fundamentalists, act as if the Bible is an infallible source of truth, goodness, and morality. It’s not.
The Bible, especially the Old Testament (and yes, I have read the Bible), is a book designed to both recruit and lead religion. When people say "it's a book to live your life by", I can not help but worry for the thousands of people who do just that. It is true the Bible is laced with various good morals like love your neighbor, turn the other cheek, that sort of thing, but it is also filled with some of the most despicable things ever. Allow me to read you my most favorite Bible scripture:
If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," unknown to you or your ancestors before you, god of the peoples surrounding you, whether near you or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God. If you hear that in one of the towns which Yahweh your God has given you for a home, there are men, scoundrels from your own stock, who have led their fellow-citizens astray, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," hitherto unknown to you, it is your duty to look into the matter, examine it, and inquire most careful. If it is proved and confirmed that such a hateful thing has taken place among you, you must put the inhabitants of the town to the sword; you must lay it under the curse of destruction-the town and everything it. You must pile up all its loot in the public square and burn the town and all its loot, offering it all to Yahweh your God. It is to be a ruin for all time and never rebuilt... - Deuteronomy 13:7-16
It was exactly those kinds of thoughts that fueled the Inquisition that put thousands of innocent people to death because of what they deemed heresy to God. It’s almost beyond belief that the Christian God commands his followers to kill any and all who choose to follow other gods (or else none at all). If your sister says to you, "Hey, I'm thinking about becoming Buddhist, will you come with me to the monastery tonight?” you are required by your god to mercilessly kill your own sister. God, or else just his writers, were so afraid of their religion and beliefs being opposed by anyone, they deemed it necessary to kill any and all who would think differently and thusly be a threat to their religious dominance. To quote Richard Dawkins, “The God of the Old Testament has to be the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, petty, vindictive, unjust, unforgiving, racist; an ethnic cleanser urging his people on to acts of genocide.”
Here’s another of my favorite passages:
The person who does not show respect for the judge or the priest who is there serving Yahweh your God must be put to death. You must get rid of that evil from Israel. Then everyone will hear about this and will be afraid, and they will not show disrespect anymore. - Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Respect the Priest or we will kill and make an example out of you. The Bible tells you to kill anyone who would disrespect the church and in doing so scare the rest of the community into obedience. Oh, and God bless!
The book of Deuteronomy is a glowing example of why the Bible is such a dangerous book to live by. Some will say the New Testament is better, and this is true. The New Testament was written for the Jews who did not believe Jesus was the son of God, and Jesus after all did preach a lot about peace. Anyone who would call into question the goodness of Jesus Christ need only refer to his sermon on the mound. There is a group of atheists called “Atheists for Jesus” which is basically a group of atheists that read the New Testament for the moral lessons of Jesus, while choosing to not believe in the supernatural aspects of the book. However, to believe that the New Testament is morally perfect is untrue and, indeed, nor does it make up for the atrocities of its predecessor.
Jesus said unto them [the Jews], If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded fourth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. - John 8:41-45
Jesus quite literally calls the Jews the spawn of Satan for not believing him. Regardless if he was being literal or metaphorical, in that time, calling these people the devil’s children was quite the smack down. The Jews were skeptical of whether or not Jesus was indeed the son of God, after all they only really had his word to go by and a couple “miracles” that he supposedly pulled off but I wont even get into how all that could have been manufactured. The point is the Jews choose to not believe his word, so thusly they were called the spawn of Satan. Then, of course, we all know what happened next. And since then the Jews have been continually oppressed. The Munich Olympics, the holocaust, all because of the Bible’s word.
With things like this in it, why do we in the 21st century continue to lead our lives by such a malevolent book? These passages, and many like them, reside in churches, book stores, libraries, and schools all over the planet. Yet churches seem to simply choose to over look these glaring passages against the very moral codes set down in the book. Moses, the man who carried the tablet that said “Thou shalt not kill”, in the Book of Numbers, has a village burnt to the ground, the men and older woman of said village slaughtered, and the younger woman raped. These kinds of acts would later go on to be repeated by people like Hitler and Saddam Hussein.
And all that is why I am an atheist.
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Post by historyman12 on Nov 18, 2006 12:01:02 GMT -5
Oh, Joy, Christian bashing. How fun! I'm a Christian too here, a proud, Conservative Catholic. I trust the Bible dang it, it's a source for living your life. Force, the passage in Deuteronomy is stressing that God must be above the world. You cannot let other men rule your faith in God and divert it, that apostasy, a great sin. And priests are God's representatives on Earth, they are God speaking through men, like mini-prophets, disrespecting them is closing your ears to God and thus it is a sin. So the Bible Bible is old. What's your point? We revere old stuff, we hate when old is replaced, we yearn for the 'good old days' and lament the current world! You interpret the passages to literally, it is when someone encourages you to leave God, going to a monastery is not converting yourself, letting others convert you without your consent, to a foreign religion is. Your sister does not say, "I am converting to Buddhism, so shall you, because I said so." According to Christians if you don't believe in the Lord, you are sinning, being controlled by Satan. Being his steward, his spawn. Jesus wants love, yes, but also wishes that there is no sin! He condemns sin, and loves love. Thou shalt not kill, is for reasons of this Earth, reasons of Jealousy, that is a crime. And just because a man is of God, does that mean he cannot sin? No, hell no! See I'm a man of God and I just sinned right there, 13 words ago! Well, don't be sorry for me Force, I live by the Bible and am getting along just fine! The Bible was written to keep the Word of God there, to allow it to spread, so of course it was to convert! The Bible is to guide those who live in God, and to teach those who don't.
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Post by gambitia on Nov 19, 2006 1:51:33 GMT -5
Force didn't bash. He said his point quite bluntly, but he didn't bash. Therefore, don't accuse him of such. This is the Critical Thinking board--if you can't handle someone who dislikes and opposes your religion, I suggest you leave.
How can you interpret " you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following" as meaning anything else?
"You must kill him" does not sound like it's supposed to be symbolic or anything. It sounds like a straight command.
Force isn't a hypocrite. You don't seem to know what the word means.
hypocrite--a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
((Off-topic--would anyone know if a "Paraphrased" Bible would be good? Because I found one in my house, and I'm wondering why someone who paraphrase the Bible...))
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Post by historyman12 on Nov 19, 2006 9:51:27 GMT -5
Sorry, I fixed those 2 issues, again sorry (I feel like that little smiley, sad that I screwed up), and when I said, "You interpret the passages to literally," I meant the saying, "Let us go worship other gods." The passage again stresses that "God must be above the world." to quote my previous post. The, "Let us go worship other gods," is a command to abandon your faith. Going to the monastery to use your example again, Force, is not leaving your faith. Also, the people don't bash religion was a general suggestion, not aimed at Force, sorry if it sounded like that, I took it down just in case. Also Force, Hitler didn't try to kill all the Jews because of the Bible. Hitler was insane, a total madman, who, by the way, was not to keen on Catholocism either. By the Way: Grandi, when you said "using that logic humans are the biggest killers ever." You were exactly right! That is why we needed Jesus because we messed it all up! You finnaly got it, ironically whiled defying it! But you got it!
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Post by force on Nov 19, 2006 14:29:10 GMT -5
Also Force, Hitler didn't try to kill all the Jews because of the Bible. Hitler was insane, a total madman, who, by the way, was not to keen on Christianity either. If you knew anything in depth about history you would understand that while Hitler's and in turn Germany's oppression of the Jews during the time of the Holocaust was indeed racial, it stemmed from a very long standing religious oppression of them in Germany. Hitler originally hated the Jews from religious grounds but later developed racial hatred of them as well. The Holocaust was a social movement on the surface but religious grounds gave it weight and backing. And, yes, Hitler was a Christian. I have no idea where you’re getting that from, but it only serves to show your naivety.
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Post by historyman12 on Nov 19, 2006 14:49:35 GMT -5
Okay, Force, maybe I should re-clarify, I meant to say Catholicism, I never said Hitler wasn't Christian. (OFF TOPIC) He should have been an artist, though, I just saw one of his paintings, it was pretty good. (BACK TO TOPIC) I never said Hitler wasn't racially against Jews, I knew that, I was just challenging your stance that it was the Bible. Even if their was religious prejudice in Vienna, there were new racial theories in Vienna circulating as well, not everyone there was an anti-Semite, so it takes someone with that hate bred into them from mental issues. From your logic, it sounds like you believe Hitler was mentally fine, it was all religion. I doubt, if put in a position of power, other anti-Semites would kill all Jews. Hitler hated all things that could interfere with Aryans, he disliked Catholics, (who were the people who wrote the Bible!) Slavs, Gypsies, Russians, and Blacks, and Muslims, none of these except Jews are criticized in the Bible therefore, the Bible couldn't be his motivation for his 'ethnic cleansing'. Hitler said, in Mein Kampf "There were very few Jews in Linz. In the course of the centuries the Jews who lived there had become very Europeanized in external appearance and so much like other human beings that I even looked upon them as Germans. The reason why I did not perceive the absurdity of such an illusion was that the only external mark that I recognized distinguishing them from us was the practice of their strange religion. As I thought they were persecuted on account of their faith my aversion to hearing remarks about them grew almost into a feeling of abhorrence. I did not in the least suspect that there could be such a thing as systematic anti-Semitism. ... Once, while passing through the inner city, I suddenly encountered a phenomenon in along caftan and wearing black side-locks. My first thought was: 'Is this a Jew?' They certainly didn't have this appearance in Linz. I carefully watched the man stealthily and cautiously but the longer I gazed at the strange countenance and examined it feature by feature, the more the question shaped itself in my brain: 'Is this a German?'" it was the sight of an Orthodox Jew that changed his anti Semitism, not the Bible. It seems as though your sole answer for problems in the world is religion. You have found ways to tie religion, and, more specifically, the Bible, to all wrong with the world.
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Post by Gandalan on Nov 21, 2006 23:57:40 GMT -5
I’m atheist so naturally I do not believe one word of the Bible. Why? Simply put, it’s an ancient text written how many thousands of years ago by men living in the desert who thought the earth was flat and that colds were caused by demons. The Bible is full of hypocrisy, lessons in bigotry, and scientifically disproved things. Anyone with a mind who is completely sure that the Bible is absolutely perfect and right about everything is delusional. Not to say all who believe in the Bible are delusional, as long as the at least have some form of skepticism of it. Sadly many Christians, especially the fundamentalists, act as if the Bible is an infallible source of truth, goodness, and morality. It’s not. The Bible, especially the Old Testament (and yes, I have read the Bible), is a book designed to both recruit and lead religion. When people say "it's a book to live your life by", I can not help but worry for the thousands of people who do just that. It is true the Bible is laced with various good morals like love your neighbor, turn the other cheek, that sort of thing, but it is also filled with some of the most despicable things ever. Allow me to read you my most favorite Bible scripture: If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," unknown to you or your ancestors before you, god of the peoples surrounding you, whether near you or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God. If you hear that in one of the towns which Yahweh your God has given you for a home, there are men, scoundrels from your own stock, who have led their fellow-citizens astray, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods," hitherto unknown to you, it is your duty to look into the matter, examine it, and inquire most careful. If it is proved and confirmed that such a hateful thing has taken place among you, you must put the inhabitants of the town to the sword; you must lay it under the curse of destruction-the town and everything it. You must pile up all its loot in the public square and burn the town and all its loot, offering it all to Yahweh your God. It is to be a ruin for all time and never rebuilt... - Deuteronomy 13:7-16It was exactly those kinds of thoughts that fueled the Inquisition that put thousands of innocent people to death because of what they deemed heresy to God. It’s almost beyond belief that the Christian God commands his followers to kill any and all who choose to follow other gods (or else none at all). If your sister says to you, "Hey, I'm thinking about becoming Buddhist, will you come with me to the monastery tonight?” you are required by your god to mercilessly kill your own sister. God, or else just his writers, were so afraid of their religion and beliefs being opposed by anyone, they deemed it necessary to kill any and all who would think differently and thusly be a threat to their religious dominance. To quote Richard Dawkins, “The God of the Old Testament has to be the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, petty, vindictive, unjust, unforgiving, racist; an ethnic cleanser urging his people on to acts of genocide.” Here’s another of my favorite passages: The person who does not show respect for the judge or the priest who is there serving Yahweh your God must be put to death. You must get rid of that evil from Israel. Then everyone will hear about this and will be afraid, and they will not show disrespect anymore. - Deuteronomy 17:12-13Respect the Priest or we will kill and make an example out of you. The Bible tells you to kill anyone who would disrespect the church and in doing so scare the rest of the community into obedience. Oh, and God bless! The book of Deuteronomy is a glowing example of why the Bible is such a dangerous book to live by. Some will say the New Testament is better, and this is true. The New Testament was written for the Jews who did not believe Jesus was the son of God, and Jesus after all did preach a lot about peace. Anyone who would call into question the goodness of Jesus Christ need only refer to his sermon on the mound. There is a group of atheists called “Atheists for Jesus” which is basically a group of atheists that read the New Testament for the moral lessons of Jesus, while choosing to not believe in the supernatural aspects of the book. However, to believe that the New Testament is morally perfect is untrue and, indeed, nor does it make up for the atrocities of its predecessor. Jesus said unto them [the Jews], If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded fourth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. - John 8:41-45Jesus quite literally calls the Jews the spawn of Satan for not believing him. Regardless if he was being literal or metaphorical, in that time, calling these people the devil’s children was quite the smack down. The Jews were skeptical of whether or not Jesus was indeed the son of God, after all they only really had his word to go by and a couple “miracles” that he supposedly pulled off but I wont even get into how all that could have been manufactured. The point is the Jews choose to not believe his word, so thusly they were called the spawn of Satan. Then, of course, we all know what happened next. And since then the Jews have been continually oppressed. The Munich Olympics, the holocaust, all because of the Bible’s word. With things like this in it, why do we in the 21st century continue to lead our lives by such a malevolent book? These passages, and many like them, reside in churches, book stores, libraries, and schools all over the planet. Yet churches seem to simply choose to over look these glaring passages against the very moral codes set down in the book. Moses, the man who carried the tablet that said “Thou shalt not kill”, in the Book of Numbers, has a village burnt to the ground, the men and older woman of said village slaughtered, and the younger woman raped. These kinds of acts would later go on to be repeated by people like Hitler and Saddam Hussein. And all that is why I am an atheist. With all due respect, those first two are OLD TESTAMENT quotes. After Jesus came and forgave us for our sins, we don't have to kill you all. You'd better be thanking him.
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Post by Grandi on Nov 22, 2006 0:58:35 GMT -5
With all due respect, those first two are OLD TESTAMENT quotes. After Jesus came and forgave us for our sins, we don't have to kill you all. You'd better be thanking him. So half of the Bible is wrong?
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Post by gambitia on Nov 22, 2006 1:06:14 GMT -5
Okay, Force, maybe I should re-clarify, I meant to say Catholicism, I never said Hitler wasn't Christian. (OFF TOPIC) He should have been an artist, ....it feature by feature, the more the question shaped itself in my brain: 'Is this a German?'" it was the sight of an Orthodox Jew that changed his anti Semitism, not the Bible. It seems as though your sole answer for problems in the world is religion. You have found ways to tie religion, and, more specifically, the Bible, to all wrong with the world. Hitler really isn't a good person to be basing all this on (for both you and Force). Hitler was nuts. Nobody's really sure why he did what he did. There was something really wrong in his head. Anyway, I think people are responsible for their own actions. Plently of people read the Bible and don't commit genocide. Of course there's a few whackjobs out there who try to use the Bible as justification for their evil, but anything can be used as justification. It really depends more on the person than on the object. It's like when people blame music for violence. Eminem's second album sold 21 million copies worldwide. 21 million people listened to that album. That album talks about killing all sorts of people. Did all 21 million people who heard it go kill someone? No, but a few nutcases used it as justification for killing someone. But the CD really isn't the culprit here--it's the person him/herself who's to blame. EDIT: Out of curiosity, why is there such a difference between the Old Testament God and the New Testament God?
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Post by force on Nov 22, 2006 1:12:33 GMT -5
With all due respect, those first two are OLD TESTAMENT quotes. After Jesus came and forgave us for our sins, we don't have to kill you all. You'd better be thanking him. Then why, pray tell, does the Old Testament still reside in your churches? Why do preachers still preach from it if the New Testament is to "replace" it as you are trying to make it sound? It’s also nice to know that you (NOTE: Not ALL Christians) apparently need Jesus to tell you it’s not ok to kill people cause they don’t agree with your beliefs. Nice. And while we're on the whole "Jesus dieing for our sins" thing, God sent his "son" to the cross to die for out sins, correct? If God and God alone has the ability to absolve us of all our sins, then why doesn't he just do it? Why does he go through all the trouble of reincarnating himself as Jesus then going to the cross and through all that suffering just to forgive our sins if he could just do it? Who's he trying to impress? And if God loves us so much, then why does he feel the need to throw us into a lake of fire and suffering for all eternity if we sin? As punishment? What purpose does that serve? If we’re being punished forever then it isn’t as if he’s trying to teach us a lesson, cause how could we ever take that lesson and better ourselves with it if we’re going to be punished forever?The only possible answer is that God wants us to suffer for our sin for his own appeasement and no one else’s. Yeah, that sounds like a truly loving God; someone you really wanna work for. The fact is, the Bible spells out God as a very unpleasant character. He can be loving, then turn right around and throw some smite at you. It simply doesn't make sense. The fact that this book was written by how many different people how many years ago and has gone through how many translations makes it incredibly unlikely it is completely right about everything, or anything. Would you be living your life today by a book that was written by Indians? Of course not. But how would a book by Indians be any less viable than a book written by Middle Eastern desert dwellers? Anyway, I think people are responsible for their own actions. Plently of people read the Bible and don't commit genocide. Of course there's a few whackjobs out there who try to use the Bible as justification for their evil, but anything can be used as justification. It really depends more on the person than on the object. It's like when people blame music for violence. Eminem's second album sold 21 million copies worldwide. 21 million people listened to that album. That album talks about killing all sorts of people. Did all 21 million people who heard it go kill someone? No, but a few nutcases used it as justification for killing someone. But the CD really isn't the culprit here--it's the person him/herself who's to blame. I'm not blaming the Bible only for the acts of terror inspired by it (which are numerous), I blame it for the tens of thousands of people in this country who are openly intolerant to homosexuals because it told them to be. I blame it for the fact that research in stem cells is being brought to a dead halt while so many of our citizens suffer and die from ailments that stem cells could heal because the Bible supposedly is against it. I blame it for this kinda stuff right here which is all too common over there in the Bible belt (link). Just because they're not torturing people on the rack for heresy anymore doesn't mean that society isn't being negatively affected by the Bible.
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Post by Gandalan on Nov 22, 2006 10:05:38 GMT -5
With all due respect, those first two are OLD TESTAMENT quotes. After Jesus came and forgave us for our sins, we don't have to kill you all. You'd better be thanking him. So half of the Bible is wrong? The Old Testament, so far as I know, is a historical record. The New Testament is the story of Jesus Christ. Explained above. Explained above. Oh, I target a person every now and then to stay in practice, but I don't actually kill them. [/sarcasm] With all due respect, you're ranting here. All I see here are reasons that you don't like God, and your own conclusions based on your world views (which are terribly wrong, I must say). You can have your opinion on God, and I can have mine.
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Post by historyman12 on Nov 22, 2006 12:58:34 GMT -5
Then why, pray tell, does the Bible still reside in our churches? Well, force, it's because the Old Testament contains the work of the Hebrews, who were the chosen people, so their history is important. It also gives us reasons as to why we needed Jesus. Last, Jesus mentions prophets dozens of times in the Gospels, here an example: Matthew 4:12-16 "When Jesus heard that John had been put in prison, he went away to Galilee. He did not stay in Nazareth, but went to live in Capernaum, a town by Lake Galilee in the terriotry of Zebuluun and Naphtali.This was to make true what the prophet Isaih said 'Land of Zebuluun and land if Naphtali, on the road to the sea, on the other side of the Jordan,Galilee, land of the Gentiles! Those who live in darkness shall see a great light. on those who live in the dark land of death the light will shine'"If we were cut out the old Testament we wouldn't have a clue whjo Zebuluun, Naphtali, or Isiah were.
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Post by force on Nov 22, 2006 15:03:10 GMT -5
With all due respect, you're ranting here. All I see here are reasons that you don't like God, and your own conclusions based on your world views (which are terribly wrong, I must say). You can have your opinion on God, and I can have mine. So basically you’re avoiding the questions. Your saying I'm "terribly wrong" yet you don’t explain exactly how or why I'm wrong. I'm just wrong, is that it? What a wonderful way to debate, and it's so appropriate for the "Critical Thinking" forum too! Seriously, who needs support for anything? It's much more fulfilling to just say "I'm right, your wrong" without backing it up at all. Well, force, it's because the Old Testament contains the work of the Hebrews, who were the chosen people, so their history is important. It also gives us reasons as to why we needed Jesus. Last, Jesus mentions prophets dozens of times in the Gospels. Fair enough, but this does not make up for the various attrocities in the book. Why not paraphrase it? Edit it perhaps? Remove all the "killing in the name of the lord" business and leave only the important stuff like this that pertains to the New Testament? Of course, the prospect of changing the words of the Bible would instantly bring the Christians of the country to an uproar. Why? Simply put, the Christian community cherishes the Bible so much that they choose to ignore the bad side of the book. They like to pretend it doesn't exist, whether they're aware of doing so or not. Regardless of what Testament the "bad stuff" is in, the fact remains that the passages are still sitting in the "good" book to this day. I'm in my school library right now looking at a bookshelf where two Bibles sit. If I look in them, I'll find passages about "stoning the nonbelievers". And the fact that this is not distressing to more people is staggering.
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