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Post by thedudeishere on Nov 12, 2006 1:41:23 GMT -5
I don't believe in forgiveness or the removal of shame from myself. My belief is that I am , at the core, only the sum total of my actions. I also believe that if I commit some crime, I should d*** well pay the price for it. If I did something so bad it required a million dollars to get me off the hook, then I guess they'd better throw me in jail. That million could be best spent on someone else - maybe a lot of someone elses considering how much poverty and pain exist in the world today. What you're basically saying is that God is too merciful. I agree somewhat. God's love and mercy towards us in His offer does not make sense to me. I do not understand why God the Father loved me enough to send the Word (another way of calling Jesus) to die for me, because he is the God of the Universe, and is above all 80 billion lightyears of it...and I...make up probably 1X10^-50 of the space of this universe. Yet God loved me enough to die for me...despite my offenses against him. It's like...somebody dying to save a pile of ants in the comparative nature of it. It's so wonderful to me...I know that most everyone else on this thread right now would disagree. And I understand. I lived in opposition to Christianity myself for a while, so I can sympathize with everyone who also does now. May God bless you all. I am going to sleep. Great talking with you people. EDIT: Also, about you doing something that would require a million dollars, if Christianity is true, then every sin that we commit is going an infinitely high God. Furthermore, sin in general does not require any third parties to the situation (in that it does not require a party outside of us and God). The Bible says that God was reconciling the world to himself. We are being reconciled to the righteousness of God by his offer to us. God loves us so much that no sin that we commit can ever divide us from God. We do have to repent (which, in the Greek, translates literally as to turn your back on something. We have to give up our former ways), believe in Him, and let Him do the rest. I think it's beautiful. Anyway, goodnight.
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Post by Grandi on Nov 12, 2006 1:54:58 GMT -5
1). Beliefs are the biggest cause of murder in human history. 2). Atheism has resulted in people's deaths, and it is a belief. 3). Therefore, I can assault atheism by pointing out deaths caused by beliefs in general. That's the sort of fallacy that one is committing when one says that religions are the biggest cause of murder in human history and uses it to attack Christianity: Christianity is only one religion, just as atheism is only one belief. What other beliefs or religions have committed is irrelevant to both debates. Using that logic, the biggest killer is humans. Therefore I can safely say that humans are the biggest problem in the world. I wasn't referring to Christianity specificly, just religion. You can broaden anything to include about anything. But that doesn't make it not true. Yep, but people interpret it differently. Look at all the denominations and fringe groups. People take what the Bible says in different ways True, I actually believe that. I was just pointing out how religion still actually played a part in it. Because people interpret religion however they want, it becomes a very dangerous weapon. One that's hard to stop because it is based in the very core of a person's belief system. You would have to believe in God to make that true. It seperates Christians from non-Christians and breeds contempt. Go ahead, I'm interested in how something can be a decree from God before God actually decreed it. Which is the basis of humanity. If something hurts us, we don't do it. We evolved into social beings. And developed those restrictions. We didn't develop them before we evolved. That would be impossible. God's insight that basically serves no purpose whatsoever. I'm just looking at it from a logical point of view. In order for me to believe something, it has to be proven. Don't do that.
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Post by Growly on Nov 12, 2006 2:02:34 GMT -5
I'm with Grandi on this... I don't wish to be blessed by God. If I did, I would be Christian, wouldn't I? I can do without it, thanks.
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Post by Horyo on Nov 12, 2006 4:16:29 GMT -5
I believe that there is some supreme being, and they have control over our universe, but unlike the Bible states, I think they may have stepped back in MOST affairs, not all, but most.
And with the Bible, I don't agree with everything it says because it is more, to me, of an interpretation.
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Post by Earth King Sunny on Nov 12, 2006 7:27:51 GMT -5
The only religion I can identify with is PastafarianisimMay his noodly appendage touch you
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Post by mikael on Nov 12, 2006 10:36:23 GMT -5
May I point out that I am NOT an athiest?
An athiest believes that God doesn't exist. I don't believe anything at all (i.e. even if he exists, I don't care). Huge difference between the two.
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Post by thedudeishere on Nov 12, 2006 10:55:14 GMT -5
I'll address more of your post later Grandi; I have to go to church. As you wish.
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Post by gacho on Nov 12, 2006 20:44:23 GMT -5
Well I grew up in a strict catholic family. I'd say I believe there is a God. But somethings about the religon don't really make sense. So What I do is I focus on what I think the basis of the religon is really steeped in. As corny as this is gonna sound I believe its the truth. *sighs* I think its all based on love. Sure some parts of the bible don't really agree with whats going on at the moment, but if you really get down to it I belive the catholic religon is just knowing you place, loving god, and spreading his word.
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Post by mikael on Nov 12, 2006 20:47:47 GMT -5
But how do you know what his word is now? I'll carry this on with the assumption that he exists and that he cares about human affairs.
You could say that your priest tells you, but it's been exposed that the Cathloic church as it stands now is sinful. So who gives you his word? And how can you be sure that they're telling the truth? How can you be sure you're not being manipulated?
I already know the answer: Faith. But how far can faith really take you?
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Post by gacho on Nov 12, 2006 21:04:22 GMT -5
In my opinion I think faith can take you anywhere. As long as you have the motivation behind it will work. Well It's true you can't really know who you can the real word of God from. But I think when you look at all the versions of the bible they all speak out a message. Love and Trust. No matter how many differant versions of the bible exist there is to me one truth. And thats to love one another.
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Post by mikael on Nov 12, 2006 21:12:41 GMT -5
*chuckles* Well, I hope you can enlighten the rest of our species, most of us seem to be thinking "The Bible or the Sword" nowadays.
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Post by gacho on Nov 12, 2006 21:22:08 GMT -5
Wait sorry if i'm a bit on the slow side. But what do you mean by the sword or the bible?
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Post by smurfje on Nov 13, 2006 10:49:26 GMT -5
Me=late too! I don't understant it either Perhaps the sword stands for death? My knowledge of English expressions is far beneath the zero XD
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Post by Grandi on Nov 13, 2006 12:14:11 GMT -5
It's refering to the more agressive Christianity basically, be a Christian, or go to hell.
The angry self righteous Christianity.
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Post by mikael on Nov 13, 2006 15:12:49 GMT -5
So the majority of them, right?
I even read one quote recently from a Protestant man, about Mormons who run a service to help kids raise their GPAs through online courses:
"They're going to hell, but Mormons sure are nice people."
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