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Post by gambitia on Oct 26, 2006 7:18:20 GMT -5
Nope. Easter is a mash-up of Christian, Jewish, and pagan holidays. Some of the Easter traditions (like hiding eggs and finding them, the rabbit) are from an old pagan holiday celebrating the start of spring and fertility (rabbits are symbol of fertility).
Again, I don't know how it affects the validity of the Bible, but it's interesting to note.
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Post by GROOONK'D on Oct 26, 2006 12:04:06 GMT -5
^_^ This is gonna be fun. I'm a relatively conservative Christian. I believe that Genesis is most likely a metaphor (one of my more liberal slants in my theology), that the exodus is a historical account, that the records about the conquest of Canaan are accurate, that Jesus really did perform miracles, die, and rise from the grave, that the early church really did spread as recorded in the gospels, etc. ^_^ I more or less agree with TheDude
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Oct 26, 2006 15:12:36 GMT -5
Nope. Easter is a mash-up of Christian, Jewish, and pagan holidays. Some of the Easter traditions (like hiding eggs and finding them, the rabbit) are from an old pagan holiday celebrating the start of spring and fertility (rabbits are symbol of fertility). Again, I don't know how it affects the validity of the Bible, but it's interesting to note. Well, that was my sarcasm...lol. Sorry if I was confusing. But yes, the validity is definitely a questionable factor. As for me saying it was Arabic, again, I'm not that knowledgeable, but I thought it was. I shouldn't off pulled an all nighter the Saturday they were talking about...oops.
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Post by thedudeishere on Oct 26, 2006 16:06:53 GMT -5
Nope. Easter is a mash-up of Christian, Jewish, and pagan holidays. Some of the Easter traditions (like hiding eggs and finding them, the rabbit) are from an old pagan holiday celebrating the start of spring and fertility (rabbits are symbol of fertility). Again, I don't know how it affects the validity of the Bible, but it's interesting to note. It is interesting to note. However, as far as I see it, it doesn't affect the validity of the Bible itself because the traditions didn't really enter into the holiday until long after the writing of all of the books of the New Testament (the most radical scholarship that you could possibly find places the last book in the New Testament at 150 AD, and these traditions didn't start seeping into Easter until around 250 AD) Just how I see it.
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Post by fullmetalavatar on Oct 26, 2006 16:17:33 GMT -5
As for me saying it was Arabic, again, I'm not that knowledgeable, but I thought it was. I shouldn't off pulled an all nighter the Saturday they were talking about...oops. Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as harsh...it just so happens I'm a philologist, so dead languages are my thing. You're a step ahead of a lot of people because you know that the Bible wasn't written in English and that translations are flawed.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Oct 26, 2006 16:27:54 GMT -5
I didn't think you were harsh at all. But thanks, for saying I'm head of some people.
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Post by Earth King Sunny on Oct 27, 2006 13:15:58 GMT -5
Still the bible is a matter of interperatation, each sect has its own look at it. Thats another issue though, there are a dozen sects set around the same principals but do things completely different. The Jew, the Christian and the Muslim all have the same principals at the heart but they are radically different religions. The Jews call the bible the torah, the Christians call it the bible and the Muslim call it the quran. The Muslims and the Jews concider Jesus a prophet, the Christians concider Jesus a saint. The Christians follow the new testiment, the Muslums and the Jews dont. But at thier heart they follow the same basic storyline. But why the hatred between the three religions??? This is the stuff I will never get, the Jew and the Muslim deserve the same spot in "heaven" as the christian as at heart the three religions are brothers.
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Post by NoraBlack on Oct 28, 2006 19:31:49 GMT -5
I'm Jewish and I've never met any Jewish person who's considered Jesus a prophet. We just think he was a regular person or didn't exist.
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Post by Wilderness Writer on Oct 28, 2006 21:59:05 GMT -5
To add to that, Christians don't believe Jesus was a saint. They believe He is the Son of God. The book of scripture differs among all three beliefs, as well. The Jews have only the Old Testament. The Christians have the Old Testament, as well as the New Testament, which cover the life of Jesus and the continuation of his ministry after his death and ressurrection.
Christians believe in one, simple, fundamental principle. It is the one thing that unites all Bible-believing Christians: That the way to heaven is through belief in Jesus Christ. It is summed up nicely in John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
Christians believe that it is simple faith alone that saves a person, and that without that faith in Jesus, there is no salvation. Although some Jewish people have converted to Christianity, the orthodox Jewish people do not believe in Jesus as the messiah of their people. I cannot comment on what Muslims believe, because I have not researched their belief system enough to do them justice.
A true Christian will *never* hate a Jew or a Muslim. Christianity is about love and serving humanity and reaching out to others with the love of God. It is not about forcing anyone to believe, or about being superior or better than anyone. Christians have been misreprestented to the world as this way, and a true Christian (one who isn't just acting the part) will never practice hate toward someone else. Jesus told us to turn the other cheek, to love one another, and to serve.
It doesn't mean that we're passive and wishy-washy. I take a firm stand on many issues, and if you're a frequent visitor to the Critical Thinking thread, you'll see I have firm convictions on issues like the value of human life and the existance of sin and the acknowledgement of the Bible as the ultimate authority on morality. But we should never hate another person. Ever.
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Post by alpacas4eva on Oct 29, 2006 22:35:23 GMT -5
To add to that, Christians don't believe Jesus was a saint. They believe He is the Son of God. That was exactly what I was going to say. That was a great post wildernesswriter. *applauds* I think that all three of the religions believe in different ways of getting into heaven and all of them think that their way is the only way. Therefore causing conflict between the religions.
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Post by attonbitus on Oct 30, 2006 15:18:47 GMT -5
I believe it's a collection of stories and fables that are ment to help guide people in their everyday lives buy retelling tales of hard descisions to make life more toleratable. People often go to the 'good' book for guidance and refuge because there are stories of suffering but end up ok because of their faith. It also help retell tales of punishment for bad behavior to help set up the concequence for not listening to the word of God. Do i think the book itself is holy? Nope, but it does help convey the holy spirit to people that wish to know it. Unfortunately, people tend to get too caught up in the words of the bible and totaly miss the spirit. I'm buddhist by the way
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Post by gambitia on Oct 30, 2006 17:23:33 GMT -5
Isn't the main difference that the Jews don't believe Jesus was God's son, the Christians do believe that Jesus was the son of God, and the Muslims believe that Jesus and Mohammed were both prophets?
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Post by alpacas4eva on Oct 30, 2006 17:28:46 GMT -5
Isn't the main difference that the Jews don't believe Jesus was God's son, the Christians do believe that Jesus was the son of God, and the Muslims believe that Jesus and Mohammed were both prophets? Yeah, that is one of the differences, but because of that all three believe in different ways to get into heaven. I'm a Christian and I believe that the only way to get into heaven is through Jesus. Jews and Muslims don't believe that. They believe in a different way to get into heaven.
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Post by Victim ~*of *~Circumstances on Oct 30, 2006 19:01:58 GMT -5
I'm Christian as well. Catholic to be precise going to a Catholic school and I believe that the Bible helps us but when it comes to word for word I get a little uneasy. Maybe it's just cause I was never sent to Sunday school or cause I haven't been going to Mass every Sunday since my little brother was born but saying that everything that the Bible says is true is kinda hard to believe for me. I always thought that when you read the Bible you should form your own interpretation and if you've read all the way to Revelation that sure comes in handy. On the note of Jews, Muslims, and Christians. I've been living through that whole debate since I came to the Philippines. For example: When it's time for Religion class and we switch to the topic of Jews and Christians for some odd reason my Religion teacher never seems to finish whatever she is trying to say. To explain...I mean she starts out like she'll talk about the Jews and Christians but when she opens her mouth it's just: The Jews and Christians are similar but always remember that they did not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. Then she goes on a long rant or whatever on how we are right and their wrong. But what confuses me and my class as well is after the end of that whole rant she starts saying we should be friends with them which contradicts her whole rant. Then when one of my classmates asks her to elaborate on what in the world she means she starts questioning his beliefs in an almost angry way. It's even worse when we get to the Muslims because here in the Philippines we have a very large Muslim community in Mindanao. I don't know why because it's already been so long but the Filipino Christians in Mindanao have always been fighting with the Muslims. Not to the extent that it's on the news everyday like it was way back when I was like 7 but they still are fighting and when you ask why they won't give you a direct answer. In my opinion I don't think they even know why anymore. In conclusion I'm a Catholic who has never been to Sunday school and probably doesn't know what she's talking about but I'm just really sick and tired of Christians hating Muslims and Jews cause we don't believe in the same thing. In the example above I also think that the spirit of what the Bible is telling us is lost. This is just in the case of my school and my part of the Philippines if any of you are confused.
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Post by thedudeishere on Nov 1, 2006 19:52:42 GMT -5
I'm Jewish and I've never met any Jewish person who's considered Jesus a prophet. We just think he was a regular person or didn't exist. Well, the prominent Jewish theologian Pinchas Lapide investigated the historical evidence for the resurrection and concluded that the God of Israel raised Jesus from the dead, but obviously that is not a default Jewish belief. (I'm just saying that the view that Jesus is a prophet can, at least, from what I know, occur in Judaism.)
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