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Post by username on Sept 11, 2008 19:51:30 GMT -5
you are not even in the same league as the 2 main antagonists just parroting does really add nothing, cursing demminishes the weight of your (I mean Grandi's) argument! Frankly my Dear I don't give a ....well whatever. I am taking offense to your asinine behavior and letting water down my back isn't gonna make it rain, Pilgrim! The closest I came to crossing any line was with a joke, and if that was so much as walking it, you just Olympic long jumped across. Thank you for proving my point. I told you to take it to PM, which you have received one from me, read it and chose not to respond to it. Now you are not contributing to the matter and force me to take this even further off topic as it was anyhow. Your jokes are not funny and your childish antics are annoying. in my profile is the little mail icon you can use to send me a private note. If that is not your desire I suggest you shove it!
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Post by Horyo on Sept 11, 2008 19:59:27 GMT -5
One board with 15 posts a day opposed to 5 boards with 3 posts a day would be much less unwieldy. The boards were specifically designed for their exact functions, so cramming everything in the Avatar-Gen would give rise to disorganization and confusion when it can be better left in its own board (again, theories). Spoilers are there so people don't start spamming something about the movies (because the staff doesn't get first contact about movies) and ruin the surprise or info for others, who are content with waiting. All the theories in the show have pretty much been discussed to death. And with the show over there isn't going to be people coming in going "HERE'S A THEORY ABOUT THAT SHOW THAT ENDED A YEAR AGO" Plus we don't have to even delete the theories, we can archive either the legendary ones, or even all of them. Which means we can just turn it into a legendary theories archive, and that's find and dandy, but... The Avatar show has its own universe so the theories board has developed into theories about the world of avatar in general and not just the show. Who knows, someone might come up with an amazing theory about the world of Avatar (using careful observations) and its many wonders with hardly any connection to the main show's cast or plot (like the government systems and the fates of the cultures, etc.) Several posts a day is sitll good; it's when a board hasn't had a single reply in one to two weeks that makes it a candidate for deletion. our boards don't have to thrive on 50 answers every hour. So two posts a week means it's a thriving board? I'm pretty sure merging some and streamlining it would be a superior alternative. Yet there are still many boards which get about 2 posts a day. ATTENTION KANEDA AND GRAN GRAN IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES NOT RELATED TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD PLEASE TAKE IT TO PMs. WE DON'T NEED TO SEE YOUR ARGUMENTS.
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Post by Grandi on Sept 11, 2008 20:12:49 GMT -5
The boards were specifically designed for their exact functions, so cramming everything in the Avatar-Gen would give rise to disorganization and confusion when it can be better left in its own board (again, theories). It wouldn't be disorganized considering the amount of posting is very very small, thus there will be no great confusion. That's what thread titles are for. First of all they haven't even casted Aang yet, the movie is not coming out for a long time. Also, a movie is a lot different than a TV show. A movie only has a limited amount of spoilers, whereas a TV show can have several spoilers every week due to a new episode coming out a movie is much more limited in that aspect and that can simply be controlled by putting a *spoiler* warning in the thread title one we start learning things about the movie. I don't think we should base an entire board around one thread that may or may not be started by a wondrous supergenius.
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Post by username on Sept 11, 2008 20:18:42 GMT -5
There's still only one thread in spoilers, and it seems more like a theories thread anyway.
Besides, movie info would go in the proposed Expanded Universe thread. A spoiler warning in the thread title would get the job done fine.
That's why we would have a board for Avatar in general.
Horyo, your arguments seem to revolve around the concept that the ideal form for DH entails numerous boards that get a few posts every week.
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Post by Musogato on Sept 11, 2008 21:56:05 GMT -5
What a lovely thread to come home to. By this point in the thread it's probably old news, but I'd like to point something out about the earlier messages about the staff being lazy? This discussion and any personal opinions against changing things has nothing to do with the minimal effort required for clicking buttons to move boards. None whatsoever. So if some of us aren't immediately jumping on the bandwagon to "trim the forum fat," it may very well be because we don't agree on some parts or have our own opinions on how it should look, or even just want to give it time to be fully discussed by more people. Also, the obnoxious attitudes? Not exactly helpful in getting people to consider or side with what's being said, either. Frustration or otherwise, it has no place in a civil discussion and I would Very Much like this thread to get back on track. Please.& Thanks Para for setting up the poll. It'll be nice to see what more people think about this in addition to just the few who have posted. As for my opinion on all this, I already stated it early on, and I'm still sticking with it. I agree on removing the spoiler board and don't mind combining the DH/DHForum categories, and disagree about removing Theories and Sports for the valid reasons already stated. But see, I don't understand all the streamline talk concerning the Avatar section, and it hasn't really been explained other than "Avatar's over, let's move away from it." And maybe that's my stumbling block right there. This is an Avatar forum. Just because the show has ended doesn't mean that there is no longer anything to talk about concerning it. In addition, all of the boards keep the various threads organized. For the Theories board debate, it may make the Avatar Gen section look more active to have the new theory threads in there at first, but what about later on, if some people want to look through old threads? Having everything jumbled together in Avatar Gen or the proposed 'Expanded Universe' board makes it harder to find things. Having all of the theories together makes it easy to sort through and find what you're looking for. So why should some of the main discussion boards be hidden as sub-boards just because they aren't very active? Is it that much of a hassle to scroll past it on your way to the Other boards? Or is all this streamlining talk about changing this forum away from Avatar and into a full General forum with "Avatar highlights"? Because if that is what the bottom line is about, I have serious problem against that.
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Post by Horyo on Sept 11, 2008 22:24:29 GMT -5
Well if Jade doesn't mind it then I don't (theories going away will make me very mad though).
Anyways, about the spoiler issue, what I meant is any possible hint or trace of evidence about anything concerning Avatar in the future. As for removal of the spoilers, I wouldn't mind it being made invisible or something to mostly all members.
As for theories, I'm a bit more sore about this issue: when I said the world of Avatar has its own universe and workings, I didn't mean we should post it in the Avatargen, where most of the fun and opinionated threads go, rather than threads with careful and deep insight into the show. That's what makes me pretty upset; I love the theories section, and I try to check it every once in a while for someone to think of something new.
Avatar Gen, as I just said above, is more of the fun-oriented and less debate-ish area.
And no, Kaneda, I'm not trying to make millions of different sections, I'm trying to preserve what doesn't need to change, or what I don't think needs to change.
If I haven't stated it before, in DH or personal talks, I don't mind seeing the spoilers section removed. I've indifferent about the DH forum and DH General talk boards, because they haven't bothered me in any way.
And I'll reiterate that I'm going to defend the Theories board to the death.
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Post by username on Sept 12, 2008 0:00:43 GMT -5
So why should some of the main discussion boards be hidden as sub-boards just because they aren't very active? Is it that much of a hassle to scroll past it on your way to the Other boards? Or is all this streamlining talk about changing this forum away from Avatar and into a full General forum with "Avatar highlights"? Because if that is what the bottom line is about, I have serious problem against that. No, I haven't even been thinking about the other boards. This is just what I think would work best in the long term. ...only with relationships thrown in to, as I seem to have forgotten it. The AtLA board concept is similar to what is used on ASN, hence why I shamelessly stole the name for that little picture. It would even be helpful in that it would establish the new General Discussion as a place to discuss Avatar from a more external perspective, rather than what it is now, which is that plus whatever threads don't neatly fit into theories, eps, or characters. It's just turning seven boards, some of which are quite slow, into five boards with more neatly organized and defined categories, each capable of provoking a good, almost equal, amount of discussion. As for the concerns about the problems with it, I'm not insisting that things be changed immediately. In fact I think it would be best to wait some time, and see if discussion dies down in the Avatar boards, and it most likely will.
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Post by godhunter on Sept 12, 2008 15:53:10 GMT -5
Alright, so after some time to really look at everything I've come to some conclusions. First off I agree with Horyo Theories can simply change its focus to the general avatar world as opposed to actual episode theories. Spoilers can be hidden for the time being until it is needed because there won't be any real 'spoilers' that can't be discussed in the Avatar gen until we actually know that there is going to be more episodes or we know more about the movie.
I guess I'm fine with the combination of the DH sections, though I don't want our largest section to be the DH forum section because I think it would look odd. I'd suggest a combination of Legendary and Trash Bin and stuff like that so that we don't have 8 boards in one section.
The TAG thing is something that I think needs to be decided more by the people in TAG. Its a unique case and I don't think its destruction should be left up to a vote by people who can't post their anyway and so I'd ask that that section be removed from the polls and taken up as a thread in TAG.
I have to say that I don't really like your idea of streamlining the forum Kaneda, sorry. If we were to make Spoilers disappear then the Expanded Universe section would be pretty much useless and I don't like the idea of shoving three sections that I see as very distinct into one area. If we want to streamline the board I'd suggest getting rid of the episode discussion board and spoiler board and allowing the rest to stand as they are. We can bring back both or one section if the need arises in the future.
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Post by night on Sept 12, 2008 16:12:33 GMT -5
Perhaps we can have a Legendary subboard in Trash? Contests could essentially go in Creations if need be. Thats all that I see that could be merged or whatnot if the categories were indeed merged.
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Post by Tungsten on Sept 12, 2008 19:51:13 GMT -5
I know I'm not really staff anymore but being an admin as long as I have some kind of have a stake in matter.
* First thing first in my opinion this forum is Avatar first and will remain as such regardless of what happens or what people may think. The fact still remains that this forum is an extension of the Distant Horizons fansite which is about Avatar. As long as this forum has Distant Horizons in its title then it will remain as a forum discussing Avatar.
* Personally I see theories section as the Expanded Universe section Kaneda suggested adding. I mean with no more new episodes, the theories discussion is the other things not shown on the television show ie the expanded universe.
* Spoiler section I think still necessary instead of focusing on new episodes it will focus on the movie and future projects. Maybe we should change the title or the description but the general idea of the spoiler board is still needed
* TAG is what rests on the staff and they decide on what to do. I'll leave it to their capable hands.
* If I were to streamline anything involving Avatar I would consider merging characters and episodes together but in the long run I think it would be more work than what it's worth.
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Post by username on Sept 12, 2008 23:34:36 GMT -5
* If I were to streamline anything involving Avatar I would consider merging characters and episodes together I personally think theories and characters makes more sense. Episodes have a very set formula, which involves talking about the show as a show. That could be left as is for people to talk about a single ep specifically or the "what was your favorite ep" thing. Characters and theories together would be a general discussion about the world of AtLA and thus the people in it. Then some theories regarding more "the future" would go in the proposed EU board. As for TAG, we know Jade wouldn't mind trashing it, and I'm not aware of any major staff with much interest in the matter, so I suppose it would make sense to be left up to the people in TAG.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Sept 13, 2008 11:00:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure as to why everyone thinks that people want to move the forum's centre to something than Avatar. :/
I've never said, and I don't think anyone else has said, the forum's main focus should be other than Avatar.
Perhaps it's been made that for NOW the Avatar sections will slow down due to the show no longer airing and the movies/future projects will not be released for a while, but I'm pretty sure that no one has said we need to change the forum's focus to something else.
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Post by night on Sept 13, 2008 11:04:31 GMT -5
Exactly. We never said anything about deleting or moving the Avatar category. Simply rearranging the category will not shift the focus of the forum. It seems to me that you guys were simply assuming, without actually reading the content of our posts.
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Post by Gran Gran on Sept 13, 2008 14:21:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure as to why everyone thinks that people want to move the forum's centre to something than Avatar. :/ well, the argument 'it's over we need to change it' gives the impression. the deal is, the categories where put up to keep likewise posts together so one does not have to sift through pages of stuff to find what one is looking for. we got 60ish episodes, umpteen Characters, from the main ones to the bystanders and at least twice as many theories. merging either one of those with another you get a jumbled mess. So I see where spoilers can be hidden, maybe sub boarded to Theory. But that about is it. The only board with no real bearing on the show -even tho pretty much all is cleared up is RB, but that is the main attraction of the top half. So I see - other then the merger of the DH sections not a heck of a lot of room for improvement.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Sept 13, 2008 15:27:13 GMT -5
Then let me reiterate;
I don't want to change the focus of the board, and I'm pretty sure no one else does. If they do, speak now or forever hold your peace. XD
Hiding spoilers and sub-boarding Theories sounds good to me. I'm all for compromise guys. ^_^
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