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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 28, 2008 22:08:08 GMT -5
Id like to start a thread about the parallels between the Star Wars series and the Avatar series. I always felt it was a stroke of good fortune that Mark Hamill played Ozai considering there are a lot of Luke Skywalker/ Aang parallels:
* Last Jedi/ Last Airbender *The way Luke left Yoda without completing his training because of a vision of his friends being in danger./The way Aang left Guru Pathik without completing his training because he has a vision that Katara was in danger. * Luke's reluctance in killing Vader/Aangs reluctance in killing the Firelord (Obviously for different reasons but both were dreading facing their nemesis for fear of their possible success rather than their failure). Some other parallels in the flow of the series were also alluded to in the motivational posters thread.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 28, 2008 22:10:59 GMT -5
Also, while I appreciate that it is a superficial comparison, if I had the explain the act of bending to someone totally not familiar with the series, Id probably describe it as sort of like Jedi's using the force in Star Wars before going into the details.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 28, 2008 23:16:43 GMT -5
^^ Maybe there is another thread but I couldnt find it. Anyway, the examples I gave are pretty disctinct to events in the two series. If it was just about how a small seemingly helpless kid saves the day/village/world/etc and becomes the hero, Id agree be more inclined to agree but I think the similarities are a bit more remarkable than that. Besides using the force in Star Wars, where do you have anything remotely comparable to bending?
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Post by madfoot713 on Jul 29, 2008 11:56:30 GMT -5
I'll admit that I've noticed the comparison between both the massacre of the Jedi/Airbenders and the Guru Pathik scene. as soon as I saw the latter (which was like a week ago, because I missed a lot of book 2 and 3 and watched it after the finale), I laughed at how similar it was to ESB, probably the whole ending of book 2 can be compared to it if you took the time to do so. I don't it's that big a deal or anything though; basically what zerg said, it's a hero's journey thing and such. And as for your point about the force TC, I get what you're saying, but it could probably be better compared to other things though. Bending is elemental, the Force is not; there's lots of other elemental powers out there in fiction :/
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Post by zukose on Jul 29, 2008 12:19:00 GMT -5
i like both star wars and avatar and i do see the that they are simaler.
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Post by dizzy on Jul 29, 2008 12:37:47 GMT -5
I Think thats a good Snag. The way Aang is the last Airbender and Luke is the last Jedi seems to good to be true. The leave during training is a little rusty, i wouldn't believe it. But the reluctancy in kill Phoenix King Ozai/Vader is astonishing, Seriously though, Great Find. I believe another reason is that they both have to restore balance to the Universe. Maybe Avatars not as original as we all thought, Just Maybe.
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Post by madfoot713 on Jul 29, 2008 12:55:38 GMT -5
^Tbqh, that's the part I disagree with. Luke doesn't want to kill his father, he honestly thinks there's hope for him and wants to see him turn 180 degrees around. On some level there's a theme of non-violence, but it's different from Aang, who I see as being afraid of killing someone, honestly. I feel like a lot of people would be like that, honestly, I know you would... it's not so much about the death as much as the blood on your hands, I know I couldn't stand actually killing someone, no matter how bad they are, just psychologically.
Don't get me wrong, both definitely do have that theme of non-violence and mercy and redemption and stuff... but I don't think this comparison is that profound. Zerg basically said it for me.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 29, 2008 19:36:00 GMT -5
And as for your point about the force TC, I get what you're saying, but it could probably be better compared to other things though. Bending is elemental, the Force is not; there's lots of other elemental powers out there in fiction :/ Id be hard pressed to find a closer comparison considering the lion turtle's revelation though which seems to place less emphasis on the elemental perspective and is not totally inconsistent with the Force. Obiwan:Well, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together. YODA: For my ally in the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we...(Yoda pinches Luke's shoulder)...not this crude matter. (a sweeping gesture) You must feel the Force around you. (gesturing) Here, between you...me...the tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and that ship! Can you think of a closer example in fiction?
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 29, 2008 19:46:02 GMT -5
Btw, I do appreciate and agree wth Zerg's point that a lot of stories styled as sagas are going to use common and almost classical themes from a storytelling persepective. Star Wars certainly did. Still, considering that the creators almost certainly grew up watching the original Star Wars series, I think it would be remarkable if they weren't influenced atleast to a certain degree by the Star Wars series given the number of similarities.
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Post by asian malaysian on Aug 1, 2008 14:54:26 GMT -5
Just listened to Dante's commentary on the volume 4 dvd and how he felt working with Mark Hammil. He was discussing with the creators how weird it was that Luke Skywalker was now basically Darth Vader in this show and how his(Zuko's) confrontation with Ozai was like Luke Skywalker confronting his father which I suppose is another comparison of sorts.
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Post by Taintedmushroom on Aug 1, 2008 15:05:39 GMT -5
^I don't mean to sound like a forum nazi, but please don't double post, or triple post, for that matter. We have a handy "modify" button if you want to add new information.
Disregarding that, this is what I'd like to add. Star Wars (and I've learned this in school, I know learning in school? lolwut?) is one of those stories very often used as an example of the hero's journey. I forget if that's the proper name. All these same-type stories have like elements and situations where the hero goes through harships, obstacles and comes out triumphant. Just like what Zerg said. You can relate Avatar to many other movies/stories/shows/whatever. What's pretty ironic is the Mark Hamill thing.
Haha, "Aang, I am your father"
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Aug 1, 2008 15:18:56 GMT -5
don't forget the mark hamil connection
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Post by madfoot713 on Aug 1, 2008 16:21:21 GMT -5
^I don't mean to sound like a forum nazi, but please don't double post, or triple post, for that matter. We have a handy "modify" button if you want to add new information. Disregarding that, this is what I'd like to add. Star Wars (and I've learned this in school, I know learning in school? lolwut?) is one of those stories very often used as an example of the hero's journey. I forget if that's the proper name. All these same-type stories have like elements and situations where the hero goes through harships, obstacles and comes out triumphant. Just like what Zerg said. You can relate Avatar to many other movies/stories/shows/whatever. What's pretty ironic is the Mark Hamill thing. Haha, "Aang, I am your father"chill, three days had gone by. he/she had information to add, besides, consider it a bump.
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Post by goten0040 on Aug 1, 2008 16:37:29 GMT -5
Don't double post.
I believe Avatar and Star Wars were based off many of the same legends, etc, so it makes it obvious that they would be similar in some aspects. I also remember Bryke mentioning how they base quite a few things around Star Wars (maybe that was a dream. Hmm..)
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Post by Lady Liesl on Aug 1, 2008 16:43:29 GMT -5
I'll have to agree that the Star Wars isn't the only thing similar to Avatar or vice versa. If look at it there's a lot of example where the hero doesn't want to kill the villain. Luke doesn't kill Vader because he believes there is some good in his father, Frodo doesn't kill Gollum when he sneaks up on him and Sam because he knows he can lead them to the Black Gate, and Aang doesn't kill Ozai because he thinks there's another way to end the war.
Aang's decision reminded me a bit more of Batman, (if you're following the Batman Beyond and Dark Knight movies) how Bruce Wayne refuses to kill the village murder or Scarecrow because even if it's mercy the enemy wouldn't show him, "It's what separates us from them".
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