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Post by azula1 on Jul 20, 2008 20:41:33 GMT -5
I'm ready to now nominate Iroh as the Worst Uncle Ever For Azula! He might be the best for Zuko, but he just kicked Azula to the curb without any consideration. Taking the entire series as a whole into account we see Iroh repeatedly try to live his life through Zuko. Let me explain: Iroh is a complete and total coward when it comes to dealing with Ozai several times during the series he has opportunities to step up and put Ozai down once and for all and at every opportunity he wimps out. Yup, the Dragon of the West (another sham title) is a WIMP! Here are the examples: 1. If Iroh had stood up to Ozai ten years ago and kept him from becoming FL half the crud in the series wouldn't have happened. 2. He didn't stand up for Zuko during the Agni Kai when Ozai burned off half his face. He certainly stepped in when Zhao tried to burn Zuko behind his back. But try to stop Ozai? Zuko was on his own. Tough luck about the eye kid, might want put some burn cream on that. 3. In the finale, with the end of his beloved Earth Kingdom at stake the GAang beg him to fight Ozai and he finally admits that he can't beat Ozai and that he doesn't want history to judge him as a power grubbing traitor fighting brother vs brother. He fears that they'll have to kill each other. In actuallity I believe Iroh is scared poopless of Ozai and doesn't want to get schooled. Yet, his reasoning is flawed because as soon as he said it he turns right around and encourages Zuko to fight Azula (how is brother vs sister less bad than brother vs sister?) Or does he truly believe that Zuko vs Azula won't be a battle to the death? (I'm of 2 minds on this- Zuko said over and over again that Aang would have to kill the Father Lord, but he barely brings up Azula and doesn't ever mention wanting/needing to kill her. Afterall when she asked him straight up in "The Beach" if he had a probably with her he said no. I hope they both take some comfort in that. And curiously we don't see her in prison at the end of the series. Did Zuko banish her? Did Azula get away? Is she in the tower of the FN palace locked up but being cared for by Li & Lo & Ty Lee (I bet Ty Lee wouldn't hold a grudge) in better accomadations than Ozai?) And he continually tries to pit Zuko vs Azula throughout the show. He did it in "Bitter Work" by saying that she was crazy and needed to go down. And in the 2nd season premiere, Iroh in saving Zuko redirects Azula's lightning, belly bumps her, and tosses her overboard. Way to stand up to a little 14 year old girl Dragon of the West, bet that makes you feel like a man! I wish that once in the entire series we'd have seen him stand up to Ozai like that. For all of Iroh's wisdom, he didn't even acknowledge or try any of that for his neice. Maylene is right he never acknoweldges Azula as family either. I think Iroh is secretly a little jealous of Azula for conquering Bai Sing Sei in a week when it took him years just to break through the outer wall. And calling out the entire White Lotus society to save Bai Sing Sai (or really just his precious tea shop) strikes me as kind of selfish. So like I said Iroh does nothing but try to prop Zuko up and make him into someone who won't let his younger sibling walk all over like Ozai does him. Cause Iroh doesn't have the balls to do it himself. Worst Uncle for Azula EVER! Another thing is that Iroh is totally fixated on Zuko as a replacement for Lu Ten. Thats why he follows him around like a lost puppy.
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Post by SpiritBender on Jul 20, 2008 21:06:45 GMT -5
^^You totally missed the point of everything Iroh said and did. Iroh was the Dragon of the West, and he knew things about firebending that Ozai never even dreamed of. Remember that Zuko smacked Ozai down with a technique Iroh invented, and Iroh reconquered Ba Sing Se with the help of only four other people. But that's not even the point. Iroh was not the least bit scared of Ozai, or Azula. Iroh could have taken Azula down in The Avatar State, but the writers didn't have him do that because Azula's presence was necessary for the story. Iroh also knew that if he stepped in and took Ozai down, the people of the fire nation (and the world) would just view it as an internecine power struggle, and peace and balance would NOT be restored. It simply was not Iroh's fight! Neither could Iroh make Zuko's choices for him, or fight Zuko's battles for him. Iroh knew that he could only guide and advise Zuko, and Zuko had to make his mistakes and find his own way. Never once did Iroh force Zuko to do anything or advise Zuko against his own heart. Zuko (and Iroh) always knew that Zuko would ultimately have to face Azula, so Iroh prepared him for it. That was Iroh's role, and he showed no cowardice whatsoever in not taking down either Ozai or Azula. He simply was showing the wisdom to accept his place in the universe, which is pretty much the central theme in avatar. The conflict that drove the entire story revolved around the quest for power and perfection versus acceptance of one's place in the universe. Iroh exemplified the principles of balance and accepting one's place.
As far as Iroh's relationship with Azula was concerned, he didn't "kick her to the curb". Iroh knew that Azula was just like Ozai, and only concerned with perfection and control of everything around her. His efforts to help Azula would have been completely wasted. In case you haven't noticed, Azula was an empty shell of a person who cracked as soon as she had to face real adversity. The very first time she experienced a true loss of control (Mai and Ty Lee) immediately caused her to crumble and lose her grip on reality. Iroh knew what kind of person she was, and he knew what had to be done about her. It's pretty much the same as Ursa. Ursa's treatment of Azula was not because she just like Zuko better. Ursa's treatment of Azula was a reaction to how horrible Azula was. Ursa saw that Azula had absolutely no regard for anybody else, and had nothing but ambition and lust for power inside of her. As much as people may not like it, many, if not most personality characteristics are inherited. Sure, they are influenced by environment, but Zuko grew up in the same environment and turned out quite different. Azula inherited an unstable mind (a rotten soul, so to speak), and both Ursa and Iroh knew this. It was the unfortunate legacy of Sozin and his war.
Long story short -- you can't possibly call Iroh a "bad uncle" because there wasn't really much of a real person for Iroh to be an uncle to!
-- Spiritbender
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Post by xtal on Jul 20, 2008 21:40:16 GMT -5
I disagree spiritbender. I don't think Azula was an empty shell of a person at all. She was only a child, barely to the age where one really starts to think about things for themselves, where egocentricism still plays a large role. It was obvious that most of the things she did was to please her father to gain his approval and attention especially given their interaction in Sozin's comet. It was also apparent that the departure of her mother greatly affected her. Eventhough she was mischevious and impish, she was hardly as much of a terror when her mother was around. So, I think that Azula would have turned out much differently if she had a parental or guiding figure in her life that actually cared about her. I think Iroh could have tried to fill that gap after her mother left and maybe even have gotten some results, I mean she was only what...8 at the time? 10 or so at the oldest? Instead he did nothing, didn't even try.
Hey don't get me wrong, I love Iroh, but I do agree that it was unfair to Azula that he gave Zuko all of his wisdom and Azula none at all. Then by then time they did interact once again in S2 it was kind of too late.
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Post by SpiritBender on Jul 20, 2008 22:31:20 GMT -5
^^Exactly. It was far too late for Azula, and probably long before then. Most likely by the time of the flashbacks in Zuko Alone, Azula was already contemplating murderous schemes and plotting her ascension. She had been that way already for years, and was quite set in her mentality. Iroh didn't have much of a chance to be there for Azula before then because he was off playing general, and after that it was too late. But it doesn't really matter. Iroh gravitated to Zuko because he saw kindness in Zuko and real character that could be cultivated whereas Azula had none to begin. If Azula weren't an empty shell of a person, she wouldn't have cracked the first time she faced real defeat. Zuko had a hard life and faced defeat many times. When he got knocked down, he got up every time. Contrast that with Azula who completely lost her mind when she experienced defeat. Besides that, what kind of person comes up with the idea to burn down an entire continent full of people? Everybody who defends Azula completely glosses over this, and it blows my mind. She wanted to commit genocide on a MASSIVE scale with no remorse or hesitation. You know who else tried to do that? Adolph Hitler. Azula fits the same personality profile of serial killers and mass murderers like Hitler and Charles Manion. Azula utterly lacked regard for life or the capacity to empathize with others, and you think that she wasn't missing essential elements of her humanity??? Get a grip!
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Post by ~*Tea Sage*~ on Jul 20, 2008 22:37:05 GMT -5
I completely agree with both of you SpiritBender (About Iroh) thanks for defending him man!! And thanks xtal, I agree with you about Azula. Poor girl.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 20, 2008 23:10:05 GMT -5
^^ As with many things, Im with Spiritbender on this one. Its ridiculous to expect Iroh to help both Azula and Zuko under the circumstances. Right from the start, she never hid her disdain for Iroh and Zuko clearly needed his help more than her. He stopped her from killing him with lightning. Thats your basis for worse uncle ever? What did you expect from your uncle?
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Post by xtal on Jul 20, 2008 23:11:26 GMT -5
^^Exactly. It was far too late for Azula, and probably long before then. Most likely by the time of the flashbacks in Zuko Alone, Azula was already contemplating murderous schemes and plotting her ascension. She had been that way already for years, and was quite set in her mentality. Iroh didn't have much of a chance to be there for Azula before then because he was off playing general, and after that it was too late. But it doesn't really matter. Iroh gravitated to Zuko because he saw kindness in Zuko and real character that could be cultivated whereas Azula had none to begin. If Azula weren't an empty shell of a person, she wouldn't have cracked the first time she faced real defeat. Zuko had a hard life and faced defeat many times. When he got knocked down, he got up every time. Contrast that with Azula who completely lost her mind when she experienced defeat. Besides that, what kind of person comes up with the idea to burn down an entire continent full of people? Everybody who defends Azula completely glosses over this, and it blows my mind. She wanted to commit genocide on a MASSIVE scale with no remorse or hesitation. You know who else tried to do that? Adolph Hitler. Azula fits the same personality profile of serial killers and mass murderers like Hitler and Charles Manion. Azula utterly lacked regard for life or the capacity to empathize with others, and you think that she wasn't missing essential elements of her humanity??? Get a grip! -- Spiritbender You're right. Azula doesn't care about people, I never said she did. That is why I like her so much, she just doesn't care. Buut, she does care about her fathers approval, she wants to feel important to him, she would kill hundreds of people just for him or at least entertain the thought because she would know it would please him. However, I think the thought of her have those thoughts even when she was very young to be pushing it. Yes people who become serial killers usually show signs at an early age, but you have to recognize those signs and take preventive measures. Or at least have some one there with a guiding hand, and Azula lost that. We never exactly knew when Iroh came back from the front (was it mentioned? Maybe I simply missed it?) But I don't think it was too long after Ursa disappeared. There may have been a small window of opportunity, but it was lost. All I am saying is that Azula had the potential to be different.
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Post by azula1 on Jul 21, 2008 9:08:42 GMT -5
Technically, Zuko has more reasons to be a serial killer than Azula (in the classic Ted Bundy/Norman Bates mode). He has issues with his missing mother and a sister who emasculated him at every turn add to that fact he was a loner for most of his life (no friends) and the inordinate amount of time he spent being a momma's boy equals serial killer . Problems dealing with women (especially those in your family) is a first sign of a potential serial killer.
I finally thought of a reason Iroh might finally stand up to Ozai:
I have to wonder did he ever suspect foul play in Azulon's death? Azulon was very old so it's not too surprising that he would die suddenly. But it is surprising that he would "change the line of succession". Did Iroh really believe what Ozai speculated that he shouldn't be FL because he had no heirs? Did Lu Ten's death effect him so much that he might've abdicated the throne without any fight? Would Iroh be angry even if he knew? We don't know the nature of his relationship to Azulon either. The reasons for Azulon's murder were 2 pronged: Ursa wanted to save Zuko and Ozai wanted the throne. Iroh might've been mad if it had just been Ozai's wants. But he might've overlooked it because it was to save Zuko. But I guess Zuko hasn't told him. And probably never will. I would hope this knowledge would at least spurn Iroh into finally having the nuts to confront Ozai. But what's the point now if Ozai can't bend? Unless he's a swordmaster too, it would be a really pointless fight. But maybe thats what Iroh wants a weak Ozai that he can lord over.
I don't know why there are so many armchair psychiatrists here who think that they can diagnosis anybody. Has anybody here been to medical school? Is anyone here a doctor? I think it's way too easy to just write Azula off as being crazy, because that means you can just write off Azula's needs, wants, flaws, problems, and desires. Why anyone wants to try and say a 7 year old girl is capable of planning out an assassination of a king? Boggles my mind. Sure Azula is smarter than the average child. I question just how much she knew about the actual plot, she told her mother about what Azulon ordered. I think from there Ursa took it to Ozai and they both came up with the murder plot. Now, it's not out of the realm of extreme possiblity that Azula listened in on it. But to say that she had an actual role in the murder (like she struck Azulon with the killing lightning bolt)- is just fan wank. And even if she didn't listen in, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that right after Azulon's death threat, he ends up dead the next morning under suspicious circumstances (at best) with a new and unexpected Fire Lord at that.
If she wants her mommy's love like Zuko wanted his daddy's honor - her feelings are minimized cause Zuko is more important. Azula had no other choice but to cling to her daddy. Ursa disappeared, Zuko was banished, and Iroh treated her with his misplaced Ozai scorn.
It's easy for Azula to not see the EK citizens as real live breathing people. She never spent anytime with them during her time away from the palace. Zuko had to be brought very low (being a wanted man, stealing from people, etc) before he learned that lesson. He was still pretty high and mighty even when he had his ship and crew. Azula is only now getting to that low point. She wasn't emotionally ready for it, like Zuko wasn't when he was brought down.
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Post by SpiritBender on Jul 21, 2008 10:54:49 GMT -5
^^If you want to question my judgment or qualifications, I actually have a degree in psychology. I have a substantial basis of knowledge upon which to "write Azula off as crazy." If you do the research, you will see that Azula's personality profile exactly fits those of serial killers and sociopaths like Charles Manson and the like. In the season finale, we saw her having hallucinations, delusions, and exhibiting classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. Where exactly does anyone get off telling saying that she's NOT insane? ? You can make all the justifications in the world for Azula's behavior, but facts are facts. She wanted to commit mass murder, lost control, and became a raving beast. Even though she was brilliant (as many sociopaths and serial killers are), her emotional development was severely stunted. Azula never grew past her need for approval and the feeling of being perfect and in control. Contrast that with Zuko, who although was ruled for years by his need for Ozai's approval, eventually looked within himself and found a real person -- one who lived by his own principles and ethics, rather than the approval of a tyrant. Zuko was capable of growing and adapting, whereas Azula's personality disintegrated the moment things truly went against her. To say that Zuko had more reason to be a serial killer makes no sense whatsoever, because he wasn't any sort of killer at all. Zuko never showed even the slightest desire to kill anyone (except for Ozai, whom everybody except for Aang would have taken down anyways). Zuko and Azula grew up in the same environment, and yet one is a killer, the other isn't. Can you see something wrong with this picture??? This whole debate is strange to me. I'm just confused as to what is it about Azula that makes people so utterly devoted to her that they're willing to overlook everything about her to try and find some "good" within her. Is she just that hot, or what??? Why do you want a mass murdered to be redeemed (the issue that she didn't actually do it is irrelevant -- she would have. Remember how disappointed she was that she wasn't going with Ozai) ? What potential does she actually have? It just seems bizarre to me that she has such a rabidly loyal fanbase. Then again, many people throughout history have followed people like her (Hitler, anyone). I just don't get that mindset that makes somebody follow somebody like that, but whatever. Maybe somebody can explain it to me, or maybe I'm better off not knowing... As far as Iroh goes, you're still missing the point that IROH DIDN'T WANT THE THRONE! Not only did he not want it, but he knew that him taking the throne from Ozai would only cause more strife and conflict. Iroh wanted to restore peace and balance above all else, and he had the wisdom to know that it wasn't his job -- it was Zuko's and the Avatar's. If you missed that part, then you really missed almost the entire point of the show... -- Spiritbender
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Post by admirality on Jul 21, 2008 11:28:20 GMT -5
*KARMA* for Azula1 ............. I 100% agree with u Iroh did hav multiple chances to stand up to Ozai and end the war and he didn't....... And Iroh aint all that peaceful and kind he tried to shoot the avatar down with Zuko in 102 and he tried to help Zuko catch him in s1 finale..... It's ony when Ozai sent Azula after them tha he turned good..... And on the DOBS instead of running off to the white lotus he cud've gone and murdered Ozai with his "one man army" strength.... and stopped the war then.... Azula is bad but Iroh has made no attempt to understand her or show her kindness.... Azula is clearly messed up and Iroh just wants her taking down.... I agree that he is a bad uncle to Azula like Ozai is a bad father to Zuko
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Post by xtal on Jul 21, 2008 14:29:13 GMT -5
Ohhh, She is very much insane...I don't really see how some Azula fans say she ISN't. Weeelll, actually they only lived in the same environment up until a certain point. Azula would have still been very young, and children are very impressionable. Azula never experienced the same humility that Zuko had to endure, so of course she would have been more emotionally crippled. She was raised thinking that their country had the right to dominate the world, she never spent any real time with people of other nations. In her mind it is her divine right to tear down other nations... I do disagree that Zuko would have been more likely to become a serial killer...huh? Spiritbender is right, he never really showed any inclination to want to seriously hurt anyone, hell he even wanted to save Zhao of all people. But, I bet if he wasn't banished and treated as equally as Azula with no one but Ozai to raise him...I feel that he could have just as bratty as she maybe not AS bad...eh *shrug* I don't think that Azula was dissapointed over the fact that she wouldn't be able to burn millions of people to crisp...I think it was more of the fact that her father didn't want her there. It looked like she also has some serious abandonment issues... The tone of her voice in that scene was very childlike and vulnerable. Anyhoo...The potential I see in her, is that she is still a very young girl, only 14. She was even younger when her mother left, If she had the right person in her life she could have turned out differently. Or now that the series is over, healing. She could possibly learn to recognize other people as human beings now, to learn that fear isn't the only way to get people to recognize her. I mean, at that age your life is hardly set in stone, there is much room to grow. It may be wishful thinking, but I like to entertain the thought. Are you meaning the neo nazi and white power groups that follow Hitler? Or the Nazi movement as a whole? Regardless of which you mean I can see why people would follow something like that: They feel that the person they are following can do and get done what they want to do and change. Because they can't on their own, so they have to get behind someone who shares their ideals. It is all subjective, their way of thinking and morals are frightening to "normal" people. One mans hero is another mans terrorist, yadda yadda. Amen to that.
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Post by azula1 on Jul 21, 2008 16:19:11 GMT -5
How can Iroh be all about balance for the universe and the four nations when he can't achieve balance in his own family? What are you saying Spiritbender that Iroh never wanted the throne? For his entire life from a child never wanted the throne? Or just until Lu Ten died never wanted the throne? I can understand his heart not being in it anymore. But seriously, instead of giving us the old song and dance about wanting peace he could've gotten it by being FL and ending the war himself. With absolutely no fighting on anybody's part (save him and Ozai) but I don't think Iroh was at that right place emotionally and mentally at that time. He was in turmoil from the loss of Lu Ten. He didn't know what he wanted or how to get it. And if avenging his own father's murder isn't enough to get Iroh to at least privately confront Ozai (if not physcially then verbally). Then nothing is. No, I do not beleive Zuko is or would be a serial killer. Problems with women is ususally a reason given, in the articles I've read. But if that were true then we'd certainly have a lot more serial killers in the world. I'll tell you why I like Azula: I've watched many a cartoon show in my time and most villians end up being "Gargamelled" (a Smurfs villian). To be Gargamelled is to have a villian show up in every episode of a show and be tough and scary at the beginning, but every time the heros beat them, it becomes more obvious how weak and unworthy the villian truly is. Before becoming a total and complete joke. Azula never once became a joke (Ozai did at the very end. I was kinda glad that Sokka and Toph weren't there to see Azula's end. Them joking would've spoiled the dramatic effect and been cruel with Zuko right there). Azula was always a worthy adversary and is still technically the best firebender in the world. There's a reason why she and Aang don't ever really face each other in battle again (with both at full strength) after "Crossroads of Destiny". She'd just kill him again. Which is totally bad@ss, because in most shows the villians wait until Voltron is formed or the hero has powered up totally before they strike. Azula struck before that. Proving that she was smarter than the average cartoon villian. She was like David Xanatos from Gargoyles and General Rinnaker from Roswell Conspiracies (though not technically a villian) and Light Yagmai from Death Note and Lelouch from Code Geass. Azula was always a fearful force to be reckoned with. But I digress. Everyone seems to give Iroh (and Ursa) a free pass and not question anything he says or the reasons why he says them. I try to look at some of the characters and their relationships with a more critical eye. Iroh is all sweetness and light to everyone including perfect strangers, but his own neice he treats her with the scorn that should be reserved for Ozai. As far as Iroh's relationship with Azula was concerned, he didn't "kick her to the curb". Iroh knew that Azula was just like Ozai, and only concerned with perfection and control of everything around her. His efforts to help Azula would have been completely wasted. In case you haven't noticed, Azula was an empty shell of a person who cracked as soon as she had to face real adversity. The very first time she experienced a true loss of control (Mai and Ty Lee) immediately caused her to crumble and lose her grip on reality. Iroh knew what kind of person she was, and he knew what had to be done about her. It's pretty much the same as Ursa. Ursa's treatment of Azula was not because she just like Zuko better. Ursa's treatment of Azula was a reaction to how horrible Azula was. Ursa saw that Azula had absolutely no regard for anybody else, and had nothing but ambition and lust for power inside of her. As much as people may not like it, many, if not most personality characteristics are inherited. Sure, they are influenced by environment, but Zuko grew up in the same environment and turned out quite different. Azula inherited an unstable mind (a rotten soul, so to speak), and both Ursa and Iroh knew this. It was the unfortunate legacy of Sozin and his war.
Wow, Iroh (and Ursa) writing off a 7 year old girl without so much as a backwards glance. You make the argument of how bad an uncle Iroh is and how bad a mother Ursa is without me having to do a thing. Iroh truly can't be in two places at once helping both Zuko (while being banished) and Azula in the FN. You make assumptions that "he knew his efforts would be wasted and what kind of a person she was" at ages 7-10. But it doesn't look like he even tried at all. It took years for the lessons that he taught Zuko to FINALLY sink in. He can spend years helping Zuko and yet not even be bothered to spare a little bit of time for Azula. Yeah, that doesn't make Iroh look like less of a jerk at all. I won't deny that Azula has trust, abandonment, control, and paranoia issues. Weeelll, actually they only lived in the same environment up until a certain point. Azula would have still been very young, and children are very impressionable. Azula never experienced the same humility that Zuko had to endure, so of course she would have been more emotionally crippled. She was raised thinking that their country had the right to dominate the world, she never spent any real time with people of other nations. In her mind it is her divine right to tear down other nations...
ITA Xtal, Spiritbender keeps trying to compare Azula and Zuko's journeys- when they're really not the same at all. Azula is only now just being brought down to Zuko's level of humiliation (after the Agni Kai) and he had Iroh to guide him. Who will be there for Azula now? Not Iroh, because once again he's off playing Tea Shop Owner and not trying to heal his family. He has his Lu Ten surrogate so he needs no one else. I'm fairly sure Zuko will be there (dragging Mai along, Li & Lo, and Ty Lee). I can understand Iroh not being fond or close to Ozai (what with their 20 year age difference and the way that Ozai just walked all over him). Afterall, in all the times that Iroh speaks of Ozai he speaks of him in only the distant, cool, polite terms: as in not fondly and not of any happy memories and definately not in a manner that would reflect badly on the FL. Too bad there was never any flashbacks to their relationship together. Thanks Recca54 for seeing part of what I'm trying to say. I'm not sure how the whole karma thing on a message board works.
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Post by zuko14 on Jul 21, 2008 16:26:02 GMT -5
I completely agree with both of you SpiritBender (About Iroh) thanks for defending him man!! And thanks xtal, I agree with you about Azula. Poor girl. Totally agree with you on this.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 22, 2008 4:40:49 GMT -5
azula1- Do you have any examples of Ursa or Iroh "writing off a 7 year old girl without so much as a backwards glance. "? On a broader issue, where is it that an uncle has a duty to act as a better parent to his nephew or niece than the child's actual parents? After Lu Ten died, we know that Iroh thought of Zuko as his son. That was just his way of grieving. He didnt have any obligation to take better care of Zuko than his father did. He certainly didnt have to follow the banished prince out into the wilderness. The fact that he went beyond the call of duty for Zuko is no argument that he owed a greater or equal duty to Azula. When they first met Azula in the Avatar State, Iroh was kind and polite to Azula but was rudely told not to interrupt.
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Post by Elisabeth Blanctorche on Jul 22, 2008 6:47:29 GMT -5
People are seriously calling Iroh a bad uncle now? Just wow.
Azula doesn't even like him. There was simply nothing Iroh could do for her. The only person outside of Ursa that could have possibly reached out to her is Zuko. Zuko is the only other person that possibly cares for her and doesn't fear her. I'd also like to point out that, based on what we know, Iroh never neglected Azula; he even sent her that doll. He could have not made any effort at all and sent her nothing. Also, let's not act like Azula isn't at fault here. After all the things she did to the people around her, you can't possibly expect them to turn around and magicly love her more than anyone or whatever. Azula needs to help herself is she wants peace, and then she can seek help from others. But it all starts with her. No one else can change her.
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