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Post by spiritmage234 on Jul 17, 2008 20:03:47 GMT -5
Honestly, I expected there to be a LOT more rage in the confrontation.
Like, Katara-is-about-to-skewer-that-old-dude-but-Zuko-has-to-stop-her kind of rage.
But at least we got to see Katara's mom at last.
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historyman12
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Post by historyman12 on Jul 18, 2008 1:00:42 GMT -5
He is older, though, and living with his mother. I think that'd drive her a bit crazy. Well, maybe his mother moved in with him.
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Lady Ursa
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Post by Lady Ursa on Jul 18, 2008 1:00:58 GMT -5
Or it's his mother in law xD
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Post by i-can't-think-of-a-name on Jul 18, 2008 1:02:01 GMT -5
Did anyone notice Azula was kinda crazy in the this episode? Like they way she talked to Zuko, and the way she attacked the temple? It's not like her to bomb the crap out of a place.
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Kataang101
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Post by Kataang101 on Jul 17, 2008 20:06:01 GMT -5
wow all the posts are going everywhere
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Post by firenationkuzon on Jul 18, 2008 1:02:50 GMT -5
I've just got a question: Am I the only one who's sympathetic towards the leader? I mean, come on, who wouldn't be cowering in fear if an angry girl was about to stab you with a thousand ice blades, I mean, he really seemed over his killing stuff. And again, with Sokka and Suki: www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2M6yV6mueg&feature=relatedI felt some sympathy towards him too. I'm glad that the writers decided to portray it the way they did... if they wanted to frame it straight like "Katara is good" and "leader is bad", then they probably would've gone straight to Katara facing him as he's walking down a road. But we see him as a retired man in a peaceful location, tending to his own garden with a demanding mother, just on his way to the market through the rain no less. And the shot with him just shaken up and crying after his encounter with Katara was quite long too... this is not to say that this justifies his past actions, but to show that there's never really a bad-to-the bone-through-and-through villian like those portrayed all too often in Disney movies and the like (with the exception of Ozai and Azula, so far).
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Post by windkirby on Jul 18, 2008 1:03:18 GMT -5
I loved this episode, but I agree that it DID feel short. A big reason it felt short was probably because it had that part at the beginning with the balloon fight that was completely unrelated to the episode's focus, which was Katara and her past. Honestly, I had completely forgotted about the balloon fight until it was mentioned here. Still, obviously it was necessary for the plot to split the group up from the other, less important guys, so I can forgive it. On a side note: Sokka/Suki was HILARIOUS.
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Lady Ursa
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Post by Lady Ursa on Jul 18, 2008 1:03:25 GMT -5
She was just betrayed by her two "friends." Wonder how she got off the island? Then again, she's the Fire Nation Princess. Ships come to her.
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Post by uverworldluv on Jul 18, 2008 1:07:41 GMT -5
It wouldn't have been the same, though. Katara lost a mother who cared for her as much as she cared for her mother. The leader couldn't care less what happens to his mother. Yea, it sounded like he really wanted Katara to do away with his mom. A bit ironic, eh? Katara's going after him for killing her mother, and he couldn't care less what happened to his. I think this was an amazing episode. I love how they ended it with Zuko asking Aang how he was going to deal with the Firelord. I'm really excited for tomorrow and Saturday!
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Post by azula1 on Jul 17, 2008 20:12:11 GMT -5
"The Southern Raiders" was awesome!!!
Of course Azula would follow Zuko & Sokka back to the WAT. I'm glad she didn't tell Zuko what she did with Mai & Ty Lee. That fight was epic! Zuko totally needed to meet with the real masters of fire bending to be able to finally take her on.
Though I feel Azula's pain since Zuko took both of her best friends leaving her with nothing. I'm not surprised she was super POed. (I haven't watched all of TBR yet, but I saw the end before I taped tonight's episode. Poor Ty Lee was caught in the middle of not wanting either of her friends to fight. So she took out Azula because she was the more dangerous of the two).
Zuko lucked out that he landed on the blimp when he fell. I don't think he'd have been able to propel himself with fire and fly the way Azula did. I was INTENSELY curious as to what his emotions would be at seeing her fall. I think he thought she was finally in a situation that she couldn't figure a way out of, but just as he said it. She manages to pull a spectacular surivial out of the jaws of certain death. Even he can't believe it. And for someone who just lost out on her revenge on Zuko, Azula smiles like she's won.
Boy, Sokka sure is slick suggesting a seperation of the group then making sure to send his dad away, but keep Suki with him. Obviously, he's not thinking with the head on his shoulders. And then the whole meeting in the tent at night thing. Is this show really on Nick? Cause this looks more like an episode of "At Home with Jamie Lynn Spears".
BTW, way to plan a rescue attempt of the other Kyoshi Warriors who are still suffering in prison Miss-I'm-Too-Busy-Trying-To-Hump-My-Boyfriend-Suki!!!!
I loved Aang's whole forgiveness speech. He's lost his entire race of people. He knows about letting go. Katara should definately listen to him.
Katara was being especially b!tchy tonight. You can't forgive Zuko yet? Didn't he just help Sokka bring back your Dad in the previous episode? And saying that Sokka didn't love their mom the way she did is just beyond cold blooded. Sokka should've checked her on that one.
Seriously, Zuko going all out of his way to win Katara over. Waiting up all night to speak to her, tracking down her mother's killer, etc. Too bad Mai didn't see all of this... she'd have second thoughts about Zuko and his betrayal of his nation, family, and possibly her (and where his loyalties truly lie)? I sure the Zutaraians are having a field day.
I loved how the GAang toasted Zuko and how Zuko was even able to crack a joke. Must be from spending so much time with Sokka.
And yes, what happened to Katara and Sokka's mom was very sad. She died protecting her.
The soldier that killed their mom- well it seems that life had beaten him. No family of his own- an ugly and ungrateful mother. Looks like Katara didn't have to do anything to him.
This episdoe reminds me a lot of the finale of Samuari Champloo. Katara and the soldier are like Fuu and the Sunflower Samurai with Zuko as both Mugen and Jin.
I think the entire Royal Fire Nation family needs to hear Aang's speech on forgiveness.
One of the best episodes of the season. Worth the wait.
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Post by windkirby on Jul 18, 2008 1:10:27 GMT -5
Did anyone notice Azula was kinda crazy in the this episode? Like they way she talked to Zuko, and the way she attacked the temple? It's not like her to bomb the crud out of a place. Oh, I noticed! Me! When she made the "only child" comment, I just went, "Okay, she's totally lost it." She's definitely going to go nuts.
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Post by MasterEcabob on Jul 17, 2008 20:16:27 GMT -5
Hey, don't worry about forgetting part of the episode; it just occurred to me that Katara and Zuko ninja'd that communications tower before going to see her mother's killer.
BTW (I know this is a bit late . . .) but this is the first serious Episode Discussion I've taken part in; w00t!
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Ilise
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Post by Ilise on Jul 18, 2008 1:15:24 GMT -5
is there ANYWHERE I can find it? ARGH I'm about to DIE a HORRIBLE DEATH. I don't have cable and I couldn't sprint to anyone's house fast enough XD nice to know it's good, though.
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Kataang101
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Post by Kataang101 on Jul 17, 2008 20:21:23 GMT -5
hmm azula was freakin creep a bit too. crazy
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Post by MasterEcabob on Jul 17, 2008 20:23:05 GMT -5
So is there any chance this thread will be cleaned up eventually or are we going to just reread the entire thread from time to time to pick up on all the new posts?
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